Bernie Sanders on Joe Rogan Experience #1330 – #Transcripts2020

As part of our #Transcripts2020 project, we are pleased to release the transcript of Bernie Sanders on Joe Rogan Experience #1330. An editable version is available here. All transcripts of this series are available here.

0:00:03 Joe Rogan: And we’re live. Hello, Bernie.

0:00:05 Bernie Sanders: How are you, Joe?

0:00:06 JR: Wonderful. Pleasure to meet you.

0:00:07 BS: Nice to meet you.

0:00:08 JR: It’s exciting to have you here, man. And it’s obviously an exciting time for you. Presidential campaign is up in full swing. Do you get frustrated by the time constraints of the debates?

0:00:21 BS: Absolutely. You shouldn’t even call them a debate. What they are is a reality TV show in which you have to come up with a sound bite and all that stuff. And it’s the meaning, it’s the meaning to the candidates, and it’s the meaning to the American people. You can’t explain the complexity of healthcare in America in 45 seconds, nobody can.

0:00:45 JR: Why is it still done that way? Have you tried to… Let’s pull this thing, bring it right there. There you go.

0:00:51 BS: I think the DNC is in a difficult position. They have 20 plus candidates and they wanna give everybody a fair shot, which is the right thing to do. And then if you’re gonna have 10 candidates up on the stage, what do you do? But there are other ways that we’ve gotta do it because the issues facing this country are so enormous and in some cases so complicated, nobody in the world can honestly explain them in 45 seconds. And then that what encourages people to do is to come up with sound bites or do absurd things up. So if I yelled and screamed on this show, I took my clothes off, it would get a lot of publicity, right?

0:01:25 JR: Yeah.

0:01:25 BS: But if you give a thoughtful answer to a complicated question, it’s not so sexy for the media.

0:01:29 JR: Well, you don’t even have a chance to give a thoughtful answer. Like Tulsi Gabbard went after Kamala Harris and then Kamala Harris had about 12 seconds to reply to it. It was so ridiculous. To have something that’s such an important issue, like, “Did you or did you not put all those people in jail for marijuana? Did you laugh about it? Did this happen? Did that happen?” All these different things. “Was evidence withheld?” These are a long conversations.

0:01:55 BS: But it takes us to another issue, that as a nation we do a pretty bad job in analyzing and discussing the serious issues facing our country. And I hold the media to some degree responsible for that. You know, other countries, what they do is they say, “Joe, you wanna run for president?” It’ll tell whether you’re a party in the general election. “We’re gonna give you a certain amount of time, hours, on television, and you use those hours anyway you want. You wanna 15 minute discourse… ” Do you remember Ross Perot?

0:02:24 JR: Yes.

0:02:25 BS: And people used to laugh at Ross Perot because he used to get up there with a chart and all this stuff and the media made fun of him. But in fact, he tried in his own way to explain his point of view to the American people. And we need serious discussion on serious issues.

0:02:39 JR: Well, he had the… Because he was so rich, he had the ability to buy airtime on network television, which is pretty unprecedented. He just bought a chunk of air time and then plead his case.

0:02:50 BS: But you know what goes on in other countries? You don’t have to buy that time. The obligation is, if you are a network you’re gonna make that time free and available to candidates.

0:03:00 JR: Do you think that that’s something that could be viable in America? Could you convince CBS and NBC and ABC to go along with something like that?

0:03:08 BS: No, you couldn’t convince them. You’d have to pass legislation to make that happen.

0:03:11 JR: But everyone’s online today. I mean the entire country is essentially getting email and Facebook and all that jazz. Like why bother doing it in this particular medium that has an inherent time constraint?

0:03:24 BS: Well, you’re right. I mean the internet has revolutionized politics. And in many ways, good ways. We use our social media, our email list, which is very large, everyday we’re sending out stuff and other candidates are doing it the same way. But television still has a very important role to be playing.

0:03:41 JR: I’m sure it does, but I mean the ability to discuss things in long form like you can do online, like you can do right here right now, you can’t get that on television.

0:03:51 BS: Well, you could. I mean if you had…

0:03:53 JR: Could you?

0:03:53 BS: Sure, you could.

0:03:54 JR: But they would have to interrupt you every 15 minutes or so for commercials.

0:03:56 BS: No, no, no, no. No, what I’m saying about is what goes on in other countries. If I’m not mistaken, don’t hold me to this. I think in the UK, you remember the Labor Party? You’re a candidate. “Here’s 30 minutes of time and you do with it as you want. You wanna speak 30 minutes on healthcare, whatever it may be, you can do that.”

0:04:12 JR: Really?

0:04:13 BS: Yeah.

0:04:13 JR: And they don’t interrupt with commercials or just… Right.

0:04:14 BS: No, no, no, no. That’s the law that they have given… This is the candidate’s opportunity to speak at length to the people of the country.

0:04:23 JR: What are the misconceptions of you? ‘Cause here’s the… If you go to the knee-jerk conservative reaction, you talk to people who are not interested in anyone that wants to be a democratic socialist, they hear the name Bernie Sanders. The negative implications are that you are somehow or another going to take their money.

0:04:42 BS: Right.

0:04:42 JR: Right? Is that annoying to you?

0:04:44 BS: Yes, it is. Of course, it is. And also then I’m Mr. Maduro. I’m a dictator, I love dictatorships and all that stuff. And the truth is, Joe, that if you look at the issues that I campaign on and what I believe in, they are really not terribly radical. They exist in many countries all over the world. For example, we can start on healthcare if you’d like. Is the idea that healthcare is a human right, not a privilege, a radical idea?

0:05:13 JR: I don’t think it is.

0:05:14 BS: It’s not. And the truth is we are the only major country on Earth… Many people don’t know this. We’re the only major country on Earth not to guarantee healthcare to all people as a human right, and yet we end up spending almost twice as much per capita on health care. The function, and you can argue with me if you want, but the function of the current healthcare system is not to provide quality care to all, it is to make tens of billions of dollars in profit for the drug companies and the insurance companies. That’s the function. If you go to Canada, and I live 50 miles away from the Canadian boarder, you have major heart surgery, you’re in the hospital for a month. Do you know what the bill is when you get out?

0:05:52 JR: Zero.

0:05:52 BS: You got it. You go to any doctor you want, you don’t have to take out your wallet. And yet they guarantee healthcare to all of their people and they spend one half of what we spend. That’s kind of what I wanna do and I don’t think that that’s terribly radical. We have a program now, which everybody knows, it’s called Medicare, it was started by Lyndon Johnson back in 1965. It is a popular program. All that I wanna do, over a four-year period, is to expand it. Today, eligibility age is 65, I wanna take it down to 55, 45, 35, everybody, over a four-year period, that’s about it. And I wanna expand benefits to include dental care, hearing aids, and eyeglasses as well. That’s about it, not too radical.

0:06:31 JR: That doesn’t sound radical at all. Now, when you say that they… That Canada spends less, obviously they have less people. You mean less per capita?

0:06:37 BS: Yes, half per capita. Exactly, per capita.

0:06:38 JR: Half per capita.

0:06:39 BS: And the quality of care is as good or better. Do they have problems? Yeah, they have problems. Everybody has problems. But overall the healthcare experts will tell you the quality of care there is as good or better than it is in our country.

0:06:53 JR: So what’s the hurdle?

0:06:54 BS: Okay, I’ll tell you exactly what the hurdle is. The hurdle is exactly the same thing as in every other aspect of our lives, it’s the power of money. Alright, listen to this. Over the last 20 years the drug companies alone have spent $4.5 billion in 20 years on lobbying and campaign contributions. That’s what we’re up against. The knowledge… And I… Mark my words, within a short period of time you will see TV ads in California, all over this country demonizing Bernie Sanders, “He wants to do this terrible thing to you, he wants to do that.” They have unbelievable amounts of money, and politicians are frightened of that power. I’ll give you one example. Back in 2016, I got involved here in a little way with an effort on the part of the nurses to control the cost of prescription drugs in California. You may recall that effort.

0:07:48 JR: I do.

0:07:50 BS: It was a ballot item in one state here in California. Do you know how much the drug companies alone spent to defeat that effort? They spent $131 million on one ballot item in one state. Alright, last year the top 10 drug companies made $69 billion. A week ago, I went to Canada with a number of Americans who are dealing with diabetes. We bought insulin in Windsor, Ontario for one-tenth of the price, 10% of the price, same exact product being charged in America. So you’ve got drug companies that are engaged in collusion and in price fixing who are incredibly greedy and the result is many elderly people, many working people, simply cannot afford the medicine they need. This is… It’s unbelievable. And the reason for all of that stuff is we are the only country in the world that does not negotiate with the drug companies. They can charge you any price they want, and that has to do with the fact that we don’t have a national healthcare program, Medicare is not negotiating, etcetera.

0:08:47 JR: Is this something that can really be implemented inside of four years?

0:08:50 BS: Yeah, surely…

0:08:50 JR: It seems like it’s an enormous endeavor.

0:08:53 BS: Well, I want you to think back. Think back, Joe. In 1965 you had Lyndon Johnson as President. And by the way, this idea of national healthcare, this has been talked about literally since Teddy Roosevelt. It’s not a new concept. Healthcare is a human right. That’s what Teddy Roosevelt was talking about, that’s what FDR was talking about. Harry Truman was talking about it. Kennedy was talking about it. Kennedy got killed, Lyndon Johnson picked up the mantle. And their idea was, according to people in their administration, “We’ll start with the elderly who are most impacted by healthcare costs and sickness. We’ll start… ” And they did. In 1965 without the technology we have today, they implemented Medicare, 19 million people, elderly people, signed up in the first year. So, if you could start a brand new program and have 19 million people sign up with the technology that is way, way behind where we are today, why can’t we over a four-year period simply expand that program? I don’t think it’s such a difficult operation.

0:09:55 JR: So when you talk about the drug companies and the lobbyists and the enormous amount of money that they spend, is this… Does this exist anywhere else other than the United States, lobbyists on that level?

0:10:05 BS: No, no, of course not. And the reason… You know, in Canada what you have is you have a national healthcare program and so forth. And they sit down and a, they negotiate with the drug companies. They have their own approach. But every other major country on earth says to the drug companies, “Of course you can’t charge us any price you want. This is a reasonable price. Tell me what your profits are, what your expenditures are, this is the price.” For us, you can walk in… You know, if you have an illness, you could walk into the pharmacy tomorrow and the price has been doubled and you say to the pharmacist, “What happened?” He’s like, “They just raised their prices.” They could do it any day they want, any price they want.

0:10:40 JR: Now, lobbyists are… In general, when people talk about lobbyists, it’s an unattractive term. We think of it in terms of a negative, we don’t think of, “Oh, thank God there’s lobbyists.” We think, “Wow, there’s someone with enormous amounts of money using that money to gain influence on politicians and it shapes regular people, it shapes our lives mostly in a negative way.” This is the way most people look at them. I’m not saying it’s correct. Why do we have that system in place? Like, why do we have lobbyists? Why is it legal for someone to spend exorbitant amounts of money to affect our civilization, to affect the way our culture works?

0:11:19 BS: Alright, now you’re taking us into a whole new area.

0:11:23 JR: Yeah.

0:11:23 BS: Alright, let’s look. Can I… Let me detour and I’ll come back.

0:11:25 JR: Yes. Please do, please do.

0:11:26 BS: Okay, alright. Today in America you’ve got three people earning more wealth than the bottom half of the American society. You don’t see that on television too much, yeah?

0:11:39 JR: No, you don’t.

0:11:40 BS: Three people. You’ve got the top 1% earning more wealth than the bottom 92%. Listen to this, this is a statistic we recently saw, came from the Federal Reserve. Over the last 30 years the top 1% has seen a $21 trillion increase in their wealth, the bottom half of America has seen a $900 billion decline in their wealth. So what you have in America today is a relatively small number of incredibly wealthy people. And I deal with these guys every day. People say, “Oh, you’re talking about rich. You don’t know what rich is, what multi-billion dollar operations are.” Incredible power over our society. And if you were the pharmaceutical industry, and last year 10 companies made $69 billion in profit, you’re sitting around right now saying, “Alright, that’s great. How do we do better next year? What strategy do we have? We gotta put up a lot of ads on.”

0:12:31 BS: “We’re gonna work with other… ” During the CNN debate that I participated in recently, in the debate, right in the middle of the debate, the drug companies and the insurance companies had an ad telling how bad so-called… How bad Medicare-For-All would be. So they’re smart guys, and they use their power over politicians, they use their power over the media, they spend billions of dollars on advertising on media to make sure that they make as much as they can in profit. But it’s not any different with Wall Street, it’s not any different with the fossil fuel industry, or the prison industrial complex. These guys have wealth, they have power, and they could care less about the needs of working people in this country. And that’s the dynamic of American politics right now. And in our campaign, look, we’re taking them all on, and I know it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. But we are taking on all of these entities, and all of their wealth, and all of their power, and that’s what a political revolution is about.

0:13:27 JR: So the real problem seems to be that they have this strategy of unlimited growth. Not that they’re not providing medication that people need to save their lives. It’s obviously important to have pharmaceutical companies.

0:13:38 BS: Absolutely. Of course, of course.

0:13:40 JR: Right. So there’s good that they provide, but the business aspect of it is where the problem lies, right?

0:13:45 BS: Right. Look, they have great researchers, but if you check how they even spend their money… They will tell you that they spend all of their money on research and development, “We’re tackling cancer, we’re tackling diabetes, Alzheimer’s.” The truth is, of course they are. But the bulk of their money is going often to what we call “Me too” drugs. They make modest changes in a drug which really doesn’t improve people’s well-being in order to make profits. So the answer is yes, we need obviously vigorous research and development. And by the way, your tax dollars, all of our tax dollars, often goes to that research and we don’t get the benefit of it in terms of lower prices.

0:14:21 JR: So it’s just… It’s a business model issue?

0:14:24 BS: Exactly.

0:14:24 JR: It’s a greed issue?

0:14:25 BS: You’ve got it.

0:14:26 JR: And how would one stop that? When you’re dealing with the kind of influence that you’re talking about with $69 billion dollars in a year, the resources that they have, how would you stop that?

0:14:38 BS: Well, that is kind of what we call the $64 question.

0:14:41 JR: Yeah.

0:14:44 BS: And I’ll tell you what I think, this is what I believe. If you think back on American history and you think about the real changes that have taken place in society, you think about the labor movement and working class people standing up and saying to their employers, “We’re not gonna be treated like animals anymore. You can’t hire and fire us, you can’t work us 15 hours a day. We deserve dignity.” And you think about the growth of the labor movement, of millions of people beginning to stand together and fight. You think about the civil rights movement. And it wasn’t just Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., it was, again, millions of African-Americans and their white allies saying, “We’re gonna end segregation and racism in this country.” Think about the women’s movement. 100 years ago women in America didn’t even have the right to vote. Think about the gay rights movement, think about the environment. The only way that change takes place is when ordinary people come together and stand up and fight and say that the status quo is not working. And that’s what I believe, and that’s what we’re trying to do.

0:15:46 BS: So the message of our campaign is it’s us not me, ’cause I can’t do it alone. Let me be very honest with you. If I were elected President tomorrow, I can’t do the things that I would like to do, that I’m campaigning on, unless millions of people were working with me to tell the corporate elite that they cannot get it all.

0:16:07 JR: So how would that be implemented? Let’s say you become President. You gonna become President? What do you think?

0:16:11 BS: I think we got a shot at it.

0:16:12 JR: You gotta shot. Alright. President Bernie, what do you do? You get in there, what do you do?

0:16:17 BS: Okay. First of all, you make a very clear… You make it clear to the American people what your agenda is. And I appreciate the opportunity to talk about an agenda in more than 12 seconds. What does that mean? Alright, we’re gonna fight for Medicare-For-All. We’re gonna raise the minimum wage to a living wage. We are gonna deal with education in a profound way, ’cause I worry about what’s going on in education today. Everybody knows that the ages of 0-4 are the most important years for human intellectual and emotional development. Right? Every psychologist will tell you that. And yet we have a totally dysfunctional early childhood system. We pay our child care workers starvation wages, yet working class families cannot find affordable quality child care. You got our public school systems all around this country, and many of them really being challenged right now. Teachers are underpaid, teachers are working two or three jobs. You got kids who can’t afford to go to college. And here’s something that is just unbelievable, kids who have gone to college leaving school with $50,000, $100,000 in debt. Unbelievable.

0:17:31 BS: These are issues that we have to deal with, and I will deal with them. And we are gonna substantially improve the quality of education in America, we’re gonna cancel student debt by imposing a tax on Wall Street speculation. Alright? You gotta deal with education. You gotta deal with climate change. The truth is that Donald Trump is dead wrong, climate change is not a hoax, it is a very, very dangerous reality for our country and the rest of the world. Scientists tell us we have less than 12 years to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel or there will be irreparable damage. So those are… And health care, of course, for all. So those are some of the major issues. Criminal justice, immigration reform. You lay it on the table. You say, “These are the issue that we are gonna focus on.” And you rally the American people around those issues, and you tell people like Mitch McConnell, who represents a very poor state in Kentucky, that, “Mitch, if you are going to oppose raising that minimum wage to at least 15 bucks an hour, I will be in Kentucky as President of the United States and we’re gonna have a rally, because you’re gonna have to stop representing… ” And I hope, by the way, that Mitch McConnell is not the leader. I hope the Democrats can gain control over the Senate.

0:18:45 BS: But if he is, we’ll put enormous pressure on him to do what the people want. Every idea, Joe… Here’s the bottom line on this thing; every idea that I’ve just talked to you about is supported by a majority of the American people, these are not radical ideas.

0:18:58 JR: Let’s take these one step at a time, ’cause you mentioned a lot of important things there. Let’s go with the minimum wage thing. Now the argument that I’ve heard about the minimum wage being raised to $15 an hour is that they are entry level positions for high school kids, for people that are just getting their feet wet in the marketplace, they’re learning how to work, they’re making some money after school. That if you charge or if businesses have to pay $15 an hour to people like that, to entry-level people that they won’t be able to stay open.

0:19:27 BS: Well, first of all, they will be competing against… If you are a business, and I’m a business and both of us have to raise our wages at the same level, we both have the same burden so it’s spread across. That is what my conservative colleagues will tell you. The truth is, I don’t have the numbers right in front of me, that while it certainly is true that young people do work at McDonald’s and minimum wage jobs, a significant and majority of the workers are not kids, they are often… And I’d met them at McDonald’s, they are workers who have children themselves. When we… We worked very hard to raise the minimum wage at Amazon and at Disney. We put pressure on both of those companies and they did the right thing. And when you talk to the people at Amazon who got that raise, these are not kids, these are people in their 30s, these are ordinary adults who cannot make it on 12 or 13 bucks an hour. So I think the argument that “Oh, they’re all kids.” is not really quite accurate.

0:20:30 JR: Well, not even that, oh they’re all kids, but that if they are kids, what would you think about making a minimum wage for someone who’s under 18, that’s different from a minimum wage of someone who’s a legal adult?

0:20:41 BS: I’m not for that, I think we do it. And look, many of these young people have their own needs. I just talked to a young woman last night, who is working, going to college working full-time trying to take care of her family as well. So I think, look, the minimum wage has not been raised in 10 years, it is now $7.25 an hour, which is clearly unacceptable. The cost of housing, California, all over this country is rising fairly rapidly. People can’t afford healthcare, can’t afford college, I don’t think it’s asking our employers too much to pay at least $15 an hour minimum wage.

0:21:19 JR: Now, I’m glad you brought up Amazon. So one of the things that always freaks me out is when I find out that enormous corporations that make billions of dollars have tax loopholes where they literally pay no money. How is that possible and how do you stop that?

0:21:33 BS: Well, it’s the same thing as the drug companies. How is it possible that we pay 10 times more for insulin in this country and for other drugs, than the one in Canada or countries around the world? And the answer is, it’s power. So what it is the goal of major corporations in America? It’s to be deregulated, as much as possible. So in some cases, they can pollute our water, our air, our environment. It’s also not to pay any taxes. Trump campaign as you recall he said, “My tax plan is not gonna benefit the wealthy, it’s gonna benefit working people.” Well it turns out over 10 years, 83% of the benefit at the end of 10 years goes to the top 1%. That’s what these guys do. I remember, on the… Called the ranking member on the budget committee, in the senate. And some guy came forward, representing, I don’t know, one of the big business organizations. And this is their agenda. Their agenda was to cut social security, Medicare and Medicaid, and to do away with all corporate taxes. So what you have right now that’s what greed is about. They want it all. So as you indicated you have a company like Amazon, owned by Jeff Bezos, who happens to be the wealthiest guy in America worth about $150 billion, Amazon paid zero in federal income taxes. And it’s not just them, dozens of corporations paid nothing or very, very little.

0:23:00 BS: And on top of all of that, you got these guys able to stash all over the world, trillions of dollars, trillions of dollars in the Cayman Islands, in Bermuda, in Luxembourg and other tax havens. That is insane and that has got to end.

0:23:17 JR: Yeah. How is it legal to do that? Why is it legal?

0:23:20 BS: Joe it is legal because they make the laws.

0:23:23 JR: Right.

0:23:24 BS: Alright? You know that is what… Here, you’re touching now on the heart and soul of the tragedy of American politics. How does it happen that on issue after issue, the American people, the working class of this country wants something, nobody pays any attention to it, but billionaires want something and it gets done. And that has to do with a corrupt political system. So right now, if you are the Koch brothers, or some multi-billionaire you say to the leadership of the Republican party and in some cases to the Democratic party, “Hey, guess what? We’re prepared to put hundreds of millions of dollars into your campaign.” Hundreds of millions of dollars coming from one or two people. “And here is my agenda: I want tax breaks, I want a trade system which will enable me to shut down in this country and go to China or Mexico and pay people there 2 bucks an hour. I wanna be able to do more pollution ’cause I don’t like all of this, you know, money I have to spend preventing pollution of the air or the water, that’s what I want you to do. And by the way, I’m worried about the deficit, so you may as well cut social security, Medicare and Medicaid.”

0:24:31 BS: How many Americans actually believe that we should give tax breaks to billionaires and cut social security, Medicare and Medicaid. Very few. That is… Talk to Mitch McConnell. Get Mitchell on the show. That is exactly what he believes.

0:24:45 JR: But that’s ridiculous. And it seems that if you just took away those tax breaks, the enormous amount of money that would come from those corporations having to pay their fair share, would take care of a lot of the expenses of all these things that you’re proposing.

0:25:00 BS: Exactly.

0:25:00 JR: How… Like, okay, let’s talk about the education. Because the idea of free education is a wonderful thing for people. The idea that you get out of college and you’re in debt, in an insane amount that you might have 10, 20 years where you have to pay it back. And I know many people that are in that situation.

0:25:21 BS: Joe, there are people who are getting their social security checks garnished right now. It’s not 10 to 20 years. In some cases, it’s literally a life time.

0:25:29 JR: Now, a lot of that is… I mean it’s gotta… In some way be preventable by what we’re talking about here.

0:25:37 BS: Absolutely, alright.

0:25:38 JR: And is that how you would pay for it? How would you…

0:25:40 BS: I’ll tell you exactly how I would pay for it.

0:25:42 JR: Okay.

0:25:42 BS: Okay. And we pay for every idea that we have, we pay for them. And we pay for it by understanding that today, we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality. And we have in many cases, the wealthy and large corporations paying nothing or very little in taxes. Here is the issue in terms of education, 40-50 years ago, you were an average American working class person, you graduated high school. Especially if there was a union around, you can go out and get a job and make it into the middle class. You could own your own home, you could send your kids to school, you lived a pretty good life. You made it in the middle class.

0:26:16 BS: 40 0r 50 years later, there’s an explosion of technology, there’s a growth in un-feted free trade, and it is clear now that most people to make it into the middle class are gonna need a higher education. That’s college or maybe it’s technical training in order to become a skilled worker. It is insane to me to deny working class people and lower income people the opportunity to get that education because the cost of college has soared. So all that I say, is that 100 plus years ago the American people said that we should have free public education. I went to a public school. My parents didn’t pay a nickel. Went to kindergarten. I went through the 12th grade; pretty good education in Brooklyn, New York. All that I’m saying is the world has changed and a high school degree is not good enough anymore. So expand that concept through college. Now, guess what? 50 years ago, Do you know how much the University of California, a very great university, cost in terms of tuition?

0:27:20 JR: How much?

0:27:21 BS: Virtually free.

0:27:23 JR: What’s it now?

0:27:23 BS: I don’t know, but it’s pretty high. It is hard; it’s thousands and thousands of dollars. So you had great universities, like the University of California, City University of New York, state colleges all over this country where tuition was virtually free. And then what happened for a variety of political reasons, states and the federal government started cutting back on higher education and put more and more burden on the student with higher and higher tuition, which is where we are today. So all that I’m saying is in the year 2019, 2020, if our working class kids are gonna go out and get the jobs that are out there, they need a higher education, which should be tuition-free. In terms of the cancellation of debt, which is my view, you got 45 million people who are dealing with that. I’ll never forget this. This is where it really hit me. I was in Burlington, Vermont and I had a meeting on an issue. And a young woman comes up and she says she’s a doctor. She graduated medical school, she’s very happy. She’s practicing in the Community Health Center, loves what she’s doing. Said, “Bernie, I gotta tell you though. I am $300,000 in debt probably going to medical school.”

0:28:31 BS: I couldn’t believe it. I was in Iowa, a young woman $400,000 in debt. This is not unusual for medical schools and dental schools. And ordinary people, 50,000, $100,000 for going to college or getting a Master’s degree. We promise these young people, we said, “Go to college. Go out and get an education. You’ll get decent paying jobs.” Well, the answer is they have not been able to do that. So what we have proposed, in one piece of legislation, or two actually, is to make public colleges and universities tuition-free, cancel all student debt in this country. That will cost $2.2 trillion, a lot of money, over a 10-year period. We do this through a tax on Wall Street speculation, which will bring in $2.4 trillion. We bailed out Wall Street 11 years ago, and by the way, these are crooks on Wall Street who engaged in illegal behavior. Taxpayers, against my vote, bailed them out. If we can bail out Wall Street, you know what? We can cancel student debt and provide public colleges and universities tuition-free.

0:29:31 JR: When you say a tax on Wall Street speculation, what exactly do you mean by that?

0:29:35 BS: It will be a tax on all of the… Every sale of a tax. People buy and sell stocks and bonds all of the… We have a very modest tax on that. And by the way, it will have an impact on speculation by cutting back on the high frequency trading, which we now see.

0:29:51 JR: So you would just… There’s no current tax on?

0:29:54 BS: Correct.

0:29:55 JR: So you would put a small amount and that would do the job? That would finance…

0:30:00 BS: That would raise more than enough money. It’s a very small tax. It exists…

0:30:03 JR: When you say small, how much?

0:30:04 BS: It depends on the nature of the transaction, but it’s less than one half of 1%.

0:30:08 JR: Really?

0:30:08 BS: Yeah.

0:30:09 JR: And that would cover…

0:30:10 BS: Yeah. Because the amount of stocks being sold, bought and sold. And this is not, again, a new idea, it’s being done in countries all over the world.

0:30:17 JR: What about… Here’s one of the darkest things about student loans, is that if you go bankrupt, it doesn’t matter, you still owe that and that’s kind of crazy. If you have a serious medical issue, if you’re held up, whatever, whatever happens to you that’s awful, you go bankrupt, most of those things are resolved, but not student loans.

0:30:38 BS: Correct. Again, this talks to the… And that has to do with bankruptcy law which was passed against my vote. And while you’re on bankruptcy, and actually I should have mentioned this before, when you talk about the healthcare system, a half a million Americans every single year go bankrupt because of medical bills that they can’t pay. But you’re right, with student loans… I talked to this guy in Nevada, never forget it. The guy says, “Bernie, I’m owing my… ” The guy was in his 50s. And he said, “I’ve been paying off my student debt for years. I’m going nowhere because the interest rates are high, and I feel very much… ” which is the case, “that they will start garnishing, taking away my social security checks, taking money away from me.” So people are carrying this burden. The result is that they can’t, in many cases, get married and have kids. They certainly can’t buy a home. They can’t buy a car. They are really crushed by this debt. And what was their crime? What did they do? They tried to get a higher education. I think that’s pretty crazy.

0:31:38 JR: And a lot of them, when they do this higher education, they’re 18-years-old. Imagine making a decision when your brain isn’t even fully formed that’s gonna affect you for the rest of your life.

0:31:46 BS: You got it, yeah, exactly right. And then you talk to these kids and say, “Well, how much debt do you owe? What kind of interest rates are you paying?” “Gee, I really don’t know. They just told me to sign up.” Yeah, it’s alright.

0:31:57 JR: Now, right now, we are a week, not even a week out, just a few days away from two mass shootings in a row, and whenever these things happen, there’s all these people that want action, but nobody knows exactly what to do. There’s calls for gun control. There’s calls for mental health reform. There’s calls for… I mean, what, if anything, can be done to stop these things from happening? And have you sat down and tried to come up with some sort of a solution? And is there a solution?

0:32:31 BS: Look, I would be lying to you if I told you I had a magical answer. Well, I don’t. And this is such a horrific situation. We were in… We had a town meeting… We were in Nevada actually in Las Vegas when El Paso happened and we did a town meeting and and I said, “Okay, let’s take a moment of silence to remember the victims and pray for the survivors.” literally the next day in another part of Las Vegas I had to do it again and I said, “I can’t believe that just yesterday we did this and I have to do it again.” This is, I don’t know what the words… You know my friend Beto O’Rourke would say, you don’t know what words, what can you say this happens again and again, who can imagine some lunatic walking into a school or a mall or just on a night club area and taking out an assault weapon shooting down people and that we almost… We come to accept this as a normal part of American life is incredible, is just totally demoralizing.

0:33:40 BS: Alright, so here’s what I think. There’s no magical answer but let me tell you what I think. First of all this is the reality. The reality is that today as we speak there are approximately 400 million guns in America today, we have more guns than we have people. We have between 5 to 10 million assault weapons. And an assault weapon as you know is a military-style weapon designed to kill human beings kind of rapidly so that’s… And then on top of that we have again nothing to be proud of but we have a number of mentally unstable people, people for whatever reason are walking the streets, they’re suicidal, they’re homicidal and that’s the mix that we have.

0:34:22 BS: I think the answer is and I’m not the guy to invent all these ideas but here’s some of what we have to do. First of all, if you wanna own a gun in America we have got to know that you are a stable person and that means that we need to expand the background checks that currently exist. Okay, so we gotta know did you beat up your wife? Have you committed crimes, etcetera, etcetera? What is the state of your mental health? Number two, we gotta make that universal. Number two, right now there is a background check if you walk into a gun shop but you can buy guns in various states at a gun show and you don’t have to do any of that. ’cause if you and I go to a gun show you sell me a gun I don’t have to… I don’t have to do that. Third of all, I can today legally walk into a gun show, pass the background check and buy a dozen guns walk out and sell them to criminal elements who will use them for bad things. So I think those are issues that most Americans believe we have got to deal with and we can.

0:35:40 BS: Fourthly, I happen to believe and I’ve believed this for 30 years that we should not be selling or distributing assault weapons in this country. They are weapons of mass destruction in a sense, they kill people rapidly as we saw and thank God by the way when we talk about both Dayton and El Paso thank God, cops went there very, very quickly and did an incredible job ’cause if that guy had walked into the night club there could have been dozens and dozens more people killed within a few minutes time. I happen to believe A, that we should not be selling or distributing an assault weapons in this country, that’s my view, period. So I believe in a ban on assault weapons and I think we have got to begin thinking about when we have 5 to 10 million assault weapons which is more than the US military has we have to think about a strong licensing procedure in terms of who owns these assault weapons. So that’s some of what I think and there are many other things but those are some of the ideas that are out there.

0:36:40 JR: Now, the legal gun owners who are law-abiding citizens who would never in a million years think about going around shooting people but they love guns. They hear this kind of stuff about banning assault rifles, banning assault weapons, they don’t even like the term assault weapons. They like to refer to them as their individual names or whatever they are. These people feel like this is an inexorable part of being an American, that you should be able to own a gun, it’s written into our Bill of Rights, it’s written into our… The way this country was founded, it’s the Second Amendment. What do you say to those people that don’t wanna give up their guns, but they wouldn’t do… And they wanna protect themselves, they feel like these guns are viable options to protect themselves from criminals?

0:37:29 BS: I understand that, and Joe, if… You may know him, a senator from the State of Vermont, and the State of Vermont is one of the most rural states in America, every forum you’ve got a whole thousands and thousands of people who are out in the woods hunting, and it’s something that’s part of our tradition, I believe in it, I believe in the second amendment. But all that I ask of the gun owners, and you’re absolutely right, 99.9% of gun owners would never in a million, billion years think of doing these horrible things. But in the moment that we are living in, I think that we’re all gonna have to make some concessions to the reality of what is going on, and that is that there is a small number of, call them what you want, the brave people, who are prepared to do that. In Australia, you remember that terrible… New Zealand, I’m sorry, the terrible shooting at the mosque, and they moved pretty quickly in an aggressive way. So I wish I can say, in the best of all possible worlds, yeah, you can own any weapon you want and so forth and so on, we’re not living in the best of all possible worlds, we living in a world where we’re shocked every day by horror, so.

0:38:40 JR: I agree we are living in a terrible situation, there’s hundreds of mass shootings a year now, which is insane. And if you look at the number in comparison to the rest of the world, it’s crazy, a big one in another country’s three mass shootings in a year. We had more than 270. It’s crazy, but how would you implement something like this?

0:39:00 BS: Well, the idea of banning assault weapons has been done in 1994. We banned assault weapons, I believe, it was for 10 years, that ban was undone by a Republican majority. And it didn’t… I’m not suggesting, by the way, that anything here, that if we banned assault weapons tomorrow, that would radically change everything. But we have got to do the best that we can do. And again, I prefaced my remarks by telling, “I don’t have a magical solution.” You got hundreds of millions of guns out there, you have people who should not be owning these guns, who gets set off by god knows what, and do terrible things. All we can do is the best that we can do. But to say we can’t do anything, I think it’s a real disservice to the American… And I’ll tell you something else that bothers me in addition to the horror of seeing people lying on the street dead, is what this is doing to the children of this country, and I think we underestimate that.

0:40:00 BS: I have seven grandchildren, and for them and for kids all over this country, you’re gonna see the… Fall’s coming, kids coming back to school, you’re gonna see in schools all over America drills, “Alright, this is what you do if somebody walks into the school, alright? You’re gonna hide under here, you go over there.” Kids… A couple of months ago, I was in Iowa, this guy is about 6’2, big guy, probably a football player. And he says, “Senator Sanders, I gotta tell you that the young people in my school are increasingly frightened, terrified about what could happen in the school.” Think about what this… The trauma, the trauma of what this gun violence is doing. So I think we’re all… As Americans, there ain’t no easy answers here but I think we we’re all gonna have to come together and figure this one out, and do the best that we can.

0:40:49 JR: Now would that mean forcibly removing these guns from people’s homes?

0:40:55 BS: I don’t think you’re gonna have the FBI knocking on somebody’s doors and taking their… That’s not what we do in America.

0:41:00 JR: But we have 400 million guns already out there and we’re building more every year. Right now, as we speak, gun manufacturers are making more guns, this is happening right now. So if those guns already exist, it’s more than enough.

0:41:13 BS: Oh yeah.

0:41:14 JR: How would you stop?

0:41:16 BS: Well again, I think… Look, I do think there should be a ban on assault weapons, so that means that manufacturers would not be able to produce or sell those weapons, period.

0:41:26 JR: To American citizens but not to the military obviously.

0:41:29 BS: Right, obviously, right. Okay, so… And your point was well taken, if you have 400 million guns out there… So I think there are approaches… No one has any magical solution, but I’ve given you… I’ll tell you something else that I didn’t mention, and that is the role of gun manufacturers is that if you are a gun manufacturer and you are selling a hell of a lot of guns to a gun store in an area which normally you would not think… These guys know what cities buy, what towns buy, how many guns. And if suddenly, there is a tremendous demand, you gotta be thinking, “Why is this gun store buying so many guns? It doesn’t reflect the population in the area.” You gotta deal with that issue where the gun owners will have to take some responsibility.

0:42:16 JR: Besides the guns…

0:42:17 BS: The gun manufacturers, I’m sorry.

0:42:20 JR: Right, but besides the guns and the gun manufacturers, the other gigantic issue is mental health.

0:42:24 BS: Yup.

0:42:25 JR: The only way any of this ever happens is someone has to be insanely, mentally depraved, that’s the only way. And many of them are medicated, and many of them are on pharmaceutical drugs, and they have been since they were children, including amphetamines like Adderall and Prozac and all this different stuff that has varied effects on the human brain. What could be done, what would you done to analyze this, to find out what the cause and effect are, and to try to figure out what role and how much these drugs are responsible?

0:43:02 BS: Well, two things. Let me respond first by saying… It goes without saying that we have a mental health crisis in America before we even talk about drugs. And for whatever reason, there are a whole lot of people… And the nature of our healthcare system, getting back to healthcare, is… I just talked to a woman literally last night, and we had a town meeting and she said… This is unbelievable, she said, “Bernie, I was in Las Vegas when the terrible shooting took place, okay? And now I am… ” And I can understand this perfectly. “I’m seeing Dayton and I’m seeing… Watching television, El Paso, and I’m getting a PTSD reaction.” That’s totally… If you were in a place where people were shot down… And she… “I’m trying to get counseling, I can’t find it.” I remember a guy called up… A woman called up my office in Burlington, Vermont, and she said, “I’m worried about my husband, what he… ” My brother… “His brother, what he might do to himself or somebody else. We’re looking for mental health counseling, we can’t find something that we can afford.”

0:44:13 BS: So we need, above and beyond gun violence, we need… And this is why I believe in Medicare for all, mental health is healthcare. You break your arm, that’s a health issue, that’s a medical issue. Mental health is a medical issue and we have got to make mental health counseling available to all people in this country when they need it, not six months from now, at a price they can afford, and under Medicare for All, it would be free. So that’s number one. Number two, your point about studying the impact of drugs on people’s behavior and possibly resulting in violence absolutely deserves to be studied. We should be studying the impact of drugs. In my view, this is a layman’s view, I’m not a psychiatrist, I worry very much that we are over-medicating kids in schools, we have this deficit… Deficient issue, kids are running around and they’re active. When I was a kid, people used to run around, they were active, they weren’t drugged up. So I worry about that whole business, but your point is well taken, I think we need to study this and make sure that these drugs, in fact, are not causing kinds of reactions that we will regret later.

0:45:27 JR: Now on the subject of drugs, marijuana is obviously a big issue in this country and we’ve seen many states make it recreational, including this one. What do you think could be done, and what should be done to have this across the… Especially federally? There’s a guy that I have on the podcast coming up soon, his name’s John Norris, and he wrote a book on the cartels growing marijuana illegally all over this country and selling it, especially… Particularly in California now because it’s a misdemeanor, because it’s legal recreationally, and selling it with all sorts of horrible pesticides on it, all sorts of very, in fact, deadly chemicals. All of this because it’s not federally legal because we can’t have sanctioned licensed companies doing an ethical job of growing something, then any responsible law-abiding person should be able to consume.

0:46:19 BS: Okay. Let me say this. When I ran for President with the Democratic nomination in 2016, I talked about a broken criminal justice system which ends up having, in The United States, more people in jail than any other country. We have more people in jail than China does, which is a communist, authoritarian country. And what I called for then and I call for now is the legalization of marijuana in America. Right now, you have a federal law, it’s called the Controlled Substance Act. Here’s heroin, here is marijuana, they are at the same level. That is insane. Heroin is a killer drug. You can argue the pluses and minuses of marijuana, but marijuana ain’t heroin. So we have to end that, and that’s what I will do. As President of The United States, I believe we can do that through executive order, and I will do that.

0:47:13 BS: Second of all, what we have now is, a number of states, and I’m very proud, I talked about it during 2016, what seemed radical, the need to legalize, to decriminalize marijuana, very radical idea four years ago. It is spreading all over the country. And by the way, it blows my mind to drive through Nevada, or I think, here, even in California, now you see signs, corporations, “Buy our marijuana.” And four years ago, people were getting arrested doing that, their lives being destroyed.

0:47:39 JR: Particularly in Nevada, there was life sentences given out in the ’70s.

0:47:42 BS: Can you believe that? And now you have corporations selling the damn product to people went to jail for. So I think, ultimately, we’ve got to legalize marijuana. And what’s good news, in a sense, is some communities, some cities are expunging the records. So if you were arrested, have a criminal record for selling marijuana, that is being expunged, and that is the right thing to do. We can argue about the pluses and minuses, I’m not a great fan of drugs, I smoked marijuana a couple of times, didn’t do much for me. Other people, I guess, have different impact.

0:48:14 JR: Just a couple of times?

0:48:16 BS: That’s true.

0:48:16 JR: It didn’t do much for you?

0:48:17 BS: Yeah, maybe cough.

0:48:18 JR: Where were you getting it?

0:48:20 BS: [chuckle] That was in Vermont, Northern Vermont.

0:48:21 JR: Oh, that’s the problem, maybe you should get it from here, it’ll do something for you.

0:48:24 BS: Well, made me cough a whole lot. But I gather other people have had different experiences, correct?

0:48:29 JR: Oh, for sure. Yeah, I certainly have. The other problem is, of course, with illegal drugs comes… You get this horrible cycle, particularly in inner cities, where you have people that are incarcerated for illegal drugs, illegal drugs seem to be the only way out. The hard drugs, when we’re talking about cocaine and all these other drugs, how does one stop that? And would you ever consider legalizing all drugs or de-criminalizing all drugs?

0:49:00 BS: Not at this point, no, I wouldn’t. But you’re touching on a real tragedy. And when we talk about criminal justice in America, we have over 2 million people in jail, they are disproportionately African-American, Latino, and Native American. And here’s what I think, I think in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, what we have got to do, instead of building more jails and locking up more people, we really do have to invest in our young people, especially young people in distressed communities. What does that mean? If we can, and we can do this with the proper amount of resources, make sure that kids are not dropping outta school. If you drop outta school today… So you drop out in your second or third year of high school, you don’t have an education, you don’t have any job skills, What are you gonna do with your life? And the answer is you may well do drugs. Or you’ll get in trouble, self-destructive activity or destructive activity, and you’re gonna end up in jail.

0:49:58 BS: It makes so much more sense from a humane perspective, protecting our people. As well as our financial situation, we’re spending $80 billion here to invest in these kids. What does that mean? It means making sure they get the education that they need. Paying attention, having good schools, making sure that they get the jobs that are out there, doing job training. There was a principal in a school in Southern Vermont, I’ll never forgot what she said, it was a working class school. And she said, “Bernie, I love these kids, I am not gonna let them drop out.” And she had a mentoring program, just watching the kids who were mostly at risk so that they would not end up going through the cracks and getting into trouble. That’s what we should be doing as a nation. And when we do that, we invest in the kids, we get them jobs, we get them education. The likelihood of them falling into bad ways is significantly reduced.

0:50:48 JR: All those things sound great. The uncomfortable reality about drugs, though, is that when drugs are illegal, criminals sell them, and there’s obviously a need for drugs in terms of… Not necessarily a need, but a demand for drugs. Is it demand for drugs in this country that’s absolutely fueling Mexican cartels and illegal drug runners inside this country? There’s a lot of that, how do you curb that if drugs are illegal?

0:51:17 BS: You’re raising a deep question. The question, essentially, that you’re asking is, what is the cause of the opioid epidemic? Yes?

0:51:25 JR: That’s one aspect of it.

0:51:27 BS: Heroin?

0:51:29 JR: But the opioid epidemic is interesting because there’s so much of it that’s coming legally. That’s not the drug cartels, that’s the pharmaceutical industry.

0:51:35 BS: You’re right, but the heroin is illegal?

0:51:37 JR: Yes.

0:51:38 BS: Alright. Now you’re asking, this is a very, very deep question which we don’t talk about terribly much. Why is it that so many of our people are turning to drugs, to alcohol, by the way, and I don’t mean a drink at night, but I mean serious alcohol problems, and tragically to suicide. We now have for the last three years, something that is ahistorical, never happened before in modern history, and that is, our life expectancy is actually going down. And this is hitting all over the country but it is especially hitting rural areas. And what the doctors are saying is that these are diseases of despair, despair. So you’re in West Virginia, you’re in rural Ohio or any place, Vermont, any place, and the job you used to have earning a decent living is now in China. Your kid can’t afford to go to college, maybe you can’t afford healthcare, you got nothing to look forward to. Under that scenario, drugs become, alcohol becomes a way out. Then the worst case scenario is suicide.

0:52:53 BS: So I think what we’re talking about is why is this happening often in rural areas and urban as well? And how can we re-establish hope and optimism in the American people? And that gets back to a whole lot of other issues. It means if people have health care as a right, that will certainly play a role in this thing, they walk in to the doctor when they need. But it also means that people need decent jobs that pay them a living wage. That means we have to rebuild rural America, we have to rebuild the depressed communities in urban America. It means that we have to have a great educational system. And people say, “Oh, that’s great, Bernie, that’s utopian.” It is not utopian. This is something that, in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, we can afford and we should be doing rather than creating a situation where Amazon pay zero in federal income taxes. So to answer your question, this is a deep question, and again, I’m not here to tell you I have all the answers, but there are a lot of people out there who have basically given up hope, and for those people, I guess, drugs is the alternative.

0:54:00 JR: So what you’re saying essentially is that if we can do something to mitigate despair, then we’ll do something to at least stop some of the demand for these illegal drugs?

0:54:10 BS: I believe that is the case. Look, if I am optimistic, if I’m excited about going to work tomorrow and I’m seeing my kid doing great in school, and when I get sick I can go to the doctor’s office, that happy sense of community, my downtown is not all bordered up because businesses have left, but we have a community. Yeah, the strong likelihood is there will be less diseases of despair and drugs than we’re currently seeing.

0:54:33 JR: Now when we’re talking about impoverished communities, and chronically, when you’re talking about cities like Baltimore or parts of Chicago and Detroit that have just been in a terrible state of despair for long periods of time and it doesn’t seem like there’s a way out, the people that are born there, the people that live there, they live in this state of despair. What can be done to resolve all of these terribly impoverished communities and bring them up to a standard where these kids that grow up there, that they feel like there is an out, that they do have an opportunity? And why is this not addressed when we talk about making America great? Wouldn’t fixing the worst parts of the country be the primary concern? The less people that grow up in a terribly disadvantageous position from birth, wouldn’t be an important thing, and what can you do to resolve that?

0:55:29 BS: Well Joe, I think you said it better than I can. I think you’re right. When we talk about what it means to live in a great society and a great nation, a nation that we’re proud of, I’m afraid there are some people who have incredible wealth and power who say, “You know what’s great? Is that we’re seeing a growth in the number of billionaires in America, isn’t that terrific? And we’ve got one guy who’s worth $155 billion. How great. Oh by the way, we’re building more nuclear weapons and we’re spending $750 billion a year on the military, isn’t that extraordinary? And by the way, did you see the yacht that that billionaire has? It’s three miles long, isn’t that great?” Your point is that we have to, I think as I understand what you’re saying, we have to redefine what being a great nation is about. We are not a great nation when we have 40 million people living in poverty and in despair. We’re not a great nation when we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality, when 87 million people can’t afford to go to a doctor today. So to answer your question, I think that as a nation, we have got to focus a great deal of attention on those distressed communities.

0:56:39 BS: Often they’re African American, often they’re Latino, often they are rural white communities. And that means making sure that the kids they get the quality education that they deserve, making sure that we’re creating good paying jobs in those communities. I voted against NAFTA, permanent normal trade relations with China and other trade agreements because I knew that those agreements were written by corporate America with the goal of shutting down plants in this country and moving abroad. And the result of that has been the loss of millions of good paying jobs and the complete destruction of communities all across this country in the south and all across this country.

0:57:19 BS: So we have got to rebuild those communities. We have got to bring high tech jobs, not just to Silicon Valley, but to rural America. Again, I don’t have magical answers but the goal is we will not under a Sanders administration, turn our backs on distressed communities. We will rebuild those communities. We will build the millions of units of affordable housing that we need. Now, think about what it means to a community now where people are living in terrible housing or housing they cannot afford. When we put young people to work, rebuilding their own communities, will that become an indication of hope and optimism? I think it will.

0:58:00 JR: We’re talking about so many deeply important issues and all of them that will be under the control, or at least to the direction of the one person who winds up becoming the president of United States. Is it a impossible job? It seems like being the president, you are managing so many different aspects of our economy, our culture, our safety, our environment, international communication, and… It’s so in-depth. How does one person do a job like that?

0:58:32 BS: Well, one person doesn’t do it. And you certainly don’t do it by tweeting every other day, major policy issues.

0:58:39 JR: I think he tweets a lot more than every other day.


0:58:43 BS: What you do, and this is the way any sane president operates, is you need to be working with the smartest men and women from all walks of life who understand these issues. Every issue we have touched on Joe is enormously complicated and I can send out a 20-word tweet on it, but that doesn’t solve it. Unlike Trump, we will bring together the best and most knowledgeable people in this country to address the housing crisis, to address the issue of these diseases of despair.

0:59:16 BS: We didn’t even touch on climate change and then the future of the planet. How do we lead the world in transforming our energy system and creating the kind of jobs that we need? How do we revitalize American democracy? So that instead of suppressing the vote we’re getting more young people involved in the political process. So, to answer your question, it is not a one-person job and anyone who thinks it is is dead wrong.

0:59:35 BS: You need the help of a very strong administration that knows the issues, that comes from the ranks of the working class and this is the promise I will make, my administration, unlike Trump’s, is not gonna be filled with billionaires who’s basically very often greedy type people who… It is gonna be filled with the best people. Often from the working class itself, from the Trade Union movement. People who are gonna help us create policies that work for workers and not just the billionaire class.

1:00:03 JR: Now, we’re getting to the end of your hour here. So climate change is obviously an enormous issue for our country, and for the world. What could be done? And what do you think you can do, as president, that can somehow or another slow down this process?

1:00:20 BS: First of all, we have to have a president, who unlike Trump, believes in science, and I do. And what the scientists are telling us, as I mentioned earlier, is that we have fewer than 12 years to transform our energy system, or else there will be irreparable damage done, not only to our country, but to the world. Now, climate change is not just an American issue, so we could do tomorrow, do all the right things, but if China, and Russia, and India, and the rest of the Brazil and Africa does not do the right thing, we’re not gonna make the progress we need.

1:00:54 BS: So, here is what we have to do in my view. Number one, we have to tell the the fossil fuel industry that their short-term profits, and they make a whole lot of money, their short-term profits are not more important than the future of this planet. I don’t think that’s a hard sell to make. You cannot keep producing a product which is destroying the planet in the United States and around the world.

1:01:18 JR: So, by saying that, you’re saying you would have to move, we would have to move consciously away from fossil fuels.

1:01:22 BS: Absolutely. No ifs and buts and maybes.

1:01:25 JR: And if we do that, how do you tell the fossil fuel companies, do you tell them, “You can’t sell fossil fuels anymore?”

1:01:30 BS: Yeah. There are a variety of ways to do that but that is the bottom line. And by the way, in the midst of that, we do what we call is a just transition. The guy out on the oil rig today simply wants to feed his family, and the coal miners today wanna feed their families, and we’re not gonna leave them. I’m a pro-worker. I have probably the strongest pro-worker record of any member of the Congress, so it is not my intention to throw these guys out on the… And women, out on the street and ignore the pain that they will go through. We are proposing billions of dollars to rebuild those communities and make sure that those guys and women get new jobs. So we’re not just discarding people in the fossil fuel industry.

1:02:12 BS: But ultimately, the product that they are producing, which is now carbon emissions, is destroying the planet. We have to move away from fossil fuel in a very bold way into energy efficiency. Right now, in my own state of Vermont and all over this country, there are buildings which are incredibly wasteful. We don’t have the windows, we don’t know the insulation, we don’t have the roofing, the doors that we need to keep the buildings warm in the winter and cool in the summer, and we can create just an incredible number of jobs, just retrofitting our buildings.

1:02:49 BS: Second of all, we need to move very aggressively to sustainable energies, like wind. And so in California, you’re doing a good job with wind. Iowa, is doing a good job. Texas, doing a good job, we gotta do much more. Solar, there is incredible potential out there. Price of solar has dropped in recent years and we have got to not only transformed the energy system in our own country, we gotta lead the world in working with Russia and China, because in this issue we are in it together. And here’s my dream, and this may be a utopian dream. The world right now is spending $1.5 Trillion on weapons of destruction designed to kill each other. And maybe, just maybe, if we had a kind of leader, and I hope to be that leader, who says to the world, “Instead of spending $1.5 Trillion killing each other, maybe we use those resources to transform the global energy system and save the planet for our kids and our grandchildren.” That’s the goal that I have.

1:03:43 JR: Well, these ideas sound great, but in the competitive environment of global politics, how would you convince Russia, or China, or any of these countries, to do something that would put them in some sort of a competitive disadvantage?

1:03:56 BS: And the answer is, Joe, if we do not do that in 50-100 years, everybody is gonna be in a terrible disadvantage. And look, I’m not… You know, I’m saying that… I’m not telling you that tomorrow it’s gonna happen. But you gotta make the case, these people… Putin is a dictator, I dislike him intensely. Xi in China, very authoritarian, so and so, but they’re not crazy people. And presumably, they have concern about their kids and their grandchildren. This is a planet under siege and I don’t wanna become a science fiction. You’ve all seen the movies, the meteor racing toward earth, we’re gonna blow up the earth. What do we do? Well, we gotta get together. This is in a sense what that is about, you know when I think about, in 1941, after Pearl Harbor. Alright. We were faced with a war in the east with China, a war in the west in Europe with Hitler. Within two years, the United States had transformed its economy to address and win the war, basically in two or three years by re-industrializing America, we can do it, we can lead the world. That’s what we have to do.

1:04:57 JR: So in your odds, we have to look at the economy almost as if the same threat or excuse me, the environment, as if it’s the same kind of threat as Nazi Germany back together.

1:05:07 BS: Look, if you asked the Defence department, you asked the CIA, you asked the defense people all over the world, tell us what the great national security threat is. You know what it is? It is climate change.

1:05:16 JR: There’s a lot of people though, that are skeptical of this. How would you convince them? This is a big part of the problem, there’s a narrative that you hear from a lot of people that, “Oh, climate change is not approving science. And climate change is a hoax,” this is something that’s repeated, over and over again, and I’m sure some of it has to do with lobbyists and some of it has to do with the merchants of doubt that go out there and seed the world with disinformation to try to increase their profits and…

1:05:43 BS: Yes.

1:05:43 BS: Continue the practices that they’re currently enjoying.

1:05:46 BS: You know Joe, when I’m thinking back, I don’t know if all of your listers can remember this, ’cause I’m older than most, but I can remember tobacco and cigarette ads on television, you remember that?

1:05:56 JR: Yes.

1:05:56 BS: Doctor guy dressed in a white frock…

1:05:58 JR: Sure.

1:05:58 BS: Smoking away. “This is a great cigarette. It’ll improve your health.” They lied. The tobacco industry knew exactly what was going on. And the fossil fuel industry is lying right now. And the President of the United States is either too stupid to understand what the scientists are telling us, or he is lying as well. Look, I am not the scientist, that’s not my idea. I listen to the scientist. The debate is long over. Climate change is real. My God, look at what’s happening around the world, the quite worst… July was, I think the warmest July, or warmest month in the modern history of the world. The Arctic ice is melting, heat waves in Europe, just look out the window at what’s going on. This is not Bernie Sanders talking, this is the scientific community. Climate change is real. It will only get worse if we do not act boldly to cut carbon emissions.

1:06:55 JR: Well, we just did an hour sir, so I’m gonna let you go ’cause I know you got very important things to do. One last question, if you got into the office and you found out something about aliens. If you found out something about UFOs would you let us know?

1:07:10 BS: Well, I’ll tell you, my wife would demand that I let you know. [chuckle]

1:07:13 JR: Is your wife a UFO nut?

1:07:14 BS: No, she’s not a UFO nut but just, “Bernie, what is going on? Do you have any access to rockets?”

1:07:19 JR: And you don’t have any access?

1:07:20 BS: I don’t. Honestly, I don’t know.

1:07:22 JR: Okay. You’ll let us know, though?

1:07:23 BS: Alright, I’ll be on this show. We’ll announce it on this show, how’s that…

1:07:25 JR: Please. Please do.

1:07:26 BS: Alright. You got too.

1:07:27 JR: Thank you sir, I appreciate your time.

1:07:28 BS: Joe, thank you very much.

1:07:40 JR: Thank you very much.

Trump campaign rally in Cincinnati, Ohio, Aug 19 – #Transcripts2020

As part of our #Transcripts2020 project, we are pleased to release the transcript of night 2 of President Trump’s campaign rally in Cincinnati, Ohio, Aug 19. An editable version is available here. All transcripts of this series are available here.

0:00:00 Donald Trump: Thank you all, thank you very much, thank you to Vice President Mike Pence and Hello Cincinnati.


0:00:18 DT: You know, I used to work in Cincinnati at a place called Swifton Village. You know what that is, Swifton?


0:00:27 DT: It was good. And it worked out well. And it gives you confidence when things work out well at a young age. And look what happened to all of us, right? Look what happened. Look what happened. But I was watching the so-called debate last night, and I also watched the night before, that was long long television. And the Democrats spent more time attacking Barack Obama than they did attacking me practically. And this morning, that’s all the fake news was talking about. That wasn’t pretty. Now, we’re doing good, it’s great to be back in the state that I love, I love this state, very special. Very, very special on the banks of the beautiful Ohio River with the hard-working Patriots of the American heart land. Thank you Ohio. We love you Ohio.

0:01:51 DT: So we’ve got thousands of people standing outside and I asked the officials can we sneak some up along the aisles. Can they sit on the stairs? But I’ll tell you what, this is some crowd, some turn out. We’ve sold tens of thousands of tickets. If you know what the sale price is we keep it nice and low, we keep it nice and low. But there never has been a movement like this. This is a movement the likes of which they’ve never seen before, maybe anywhere, but certainly in this country. They’ve never seen anything like this before you came from the mountains and the valleys and the rivers and you came for… I mean, look from wherever you came from, there were a lot of you and they showed up on election day. I’ll never forget a wonderful congressman from Tennessee, they have early voting, in one of the earliest places great State Tennessee, and he said… He was in Pennsylvania with me, great state and he said, “You know sir, I’ve been doing this for a long time, but I’ve never seen people like this show up for early voting, people that haven’t voted in a long time, because they didn’t see anybody they wanted to vote for… ” said I’ve never seen it. They have Trump banners and Trump hats and Trump buttons. Said I’ve never seen.

0:03:24 DT: And this great Congressman said, “I don’t know sir, but I can tell you one thing, if the rest of the country is voting like Tennessee is voting, you’re gonna win by a lot.” and we won and we won by a lot. We won by a lot. Our nation is stronger today than ever before. We have the number one economy on earth. No economy is so strong. We’re rebuilding the awesome might of the United States military and soon it will be stronger, relatively speaking, than at any time in our history and when we took over, it was depleted, we took over a depleted military. It’s not depleted anymore, I can tell you that. Our spirit is strong, our stride is back and our stand is clear. We are finally putting America first, it’s about time.


0:05:12 DT: We’ve created six million new jobs since election day, nobody would have thought that was possible. More than seven million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps. And they’re happy, they’re happy. 123,000 more Ohio workers are employed today than when I was elected, think of that number. And right now, Ohio is the most successful it’s ever been in the history of our country. Thank you, congratulations Ohio. Stand up, Mike. And you have a good governor, I wanna tell you that. Good job, Mike. Unemployment has reached the lowest rate in over half a century, and unemployment for African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans and Asian Americans have all reached the lowest rates ever recorded.


0:06:35 DT: While Republicans are working every day to build up our country, the rage-filled Democrat Party is trying to tear America apart. The Democrat Party is now being led by four left wing extremists who reject everything that we hold dear. No one has paid a higher price for the far left’s destructive agenda than Americans living in our nation’s inner cities. They have paid a dear price. Do you see what’s happening? You see our inner cities, we spend billions and billions and billions for years and years and years, and it’s stolen money and it’s wasted money and it’s a shame. For decades, these communities have been run exclusively by Democrat politicians, and it’s been total one party control of the inner cities. For a hundred years, it’s been one party control and look at them. We can name one after another, but I won’t do that ’cause I don’t wanna be controversial. We want no controversy. No controversy. The Democrat record is one of neglect and corruption and decay, total decay. The Democrats have taxed and regulated jobs and opportunity out of these cities and out of existence.

0:08:32 DT: They’ve squeezed the blood out of them. Left wing mayors and city councils have opposed school choice, trapping children in failing in government schools left and right. So many of these mayors right now, you know where they are? They’re in jail, that’s where they are. Republicans believe that every parent has the right to send their children to the school of their choice, but the greatest betrayal committed by the Democrats is their support for open borders. And these open borders would overwhelm schools and hospitals, drain public services, and flood communities with poisonous drugs. It’s tough enough, and I want to thank, by the way, the country of Mexico. They’ve got 21,000 soldiers on the border right now.


0:09:54 DT: I’m starting to like Mexico a lot. They do a lot more for us than the Democrats do, right? A lot more, a lot more. And the numbers are way down, you’ll see that, way, way down. Democrat lawmakers care more about illegal aliens than they care about their own constituents. They put foreign citizens before American citizens. We’re not gonna do that. 572 people were murdered in Chicago last year.


0:12:11 DT: Democrat mayor, Democrat mayor. Democrat. You must have a Democrat mayor. Do you have a Democrat mayor? Come on, law enforcement, Democrat mayor.


0:14:16 DT: Cincinnati, do you have a Democrat mayor? Well, that’s what happenes. You see, there are thousands of people outside. And I said, I agree. We set a new record tonight in this arena. But we could get…


0:14:40 DT: But we could get a few more on the floors, a few more up here, we could get… And they’re outside where it’s a 100 degrees out and they weren’t able to let us do it. And I said, “Is that run by the Democrats?” The answer is yes. So you got a lot of hot people outside, but we broke the all-time record. So…


0:15:15 DT: The homicide rate in Baltimore is significantly higher than El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala. I believe it’s higher than… Give me a place that you think is pretty bad, give me a place. The guy says, Afghanistan. I believe it’s higher than Afghanistan. In our country, think of that. I believe, we’ll check the numbers and if we’re wrong, they will tell us tomorrow. It’ll be headlined, “Trump exaggerated”. I do believe the rate is higher than Afghanistan, yet Democrats and they’ve run it for many years wanna spend hundreds of billions of dollars on illegal migrants instead of supporting their own struggling communities. No good, no good.

0:16:12 DT: The conditions in Nancy Pelosi’s once great city of San Francisco are deplorable, they’re deplorable. Do you remember the word deplorable?


0:16:26 DT: You remember when Hillary used the word deplorable? She used two words: She used deplorable and irredeemable, right?


0:16:39 DT: And only being a politician for a few years, I said, what a terrible mistake that she used the word irredeemable. But it turned out to be deplorable. Deplorable was not a good day for Hillary. Crooked Hillary, she is a crooked one, crooked.


0:17:03 DT: She is crooked.


0:17:24 DT: Nearly half of all the homeless people living in the streets in America happened to live in the state of California. What they are doing to our beautiful California is a disgrace to our country. It’s a shame. The world is looking at it. Look at Los Angeles with the tents and the horrible, horrible disgusting conditions. Look at San Francisco, look at some of your other cities and then you have a Governor, you have a Governor, that invites the whole world to come in to California. We’ll pay for your health care, we’ll pay for… And then you wonder why so many people are coming up, they’re coming up because we’re the hottest economic country in the world, but they’re also coming up because you have people like that Governor saying, “Come on up, we’ll give you a health care, come… ” Who wouldn’t come up? Who wouldn’t come up? How crazy is this? How crazy is this? Schools, healthcare. Today I have a simple proposal for Democrat leaders to support legislation to end illegal migration and we will use the vast savings to rebuild our inner cities. That’s the way we should be doing it.


0:18:46 DT: That’s the way we should be doing it. And by the way, you know, they keep talking about, “Oh, the voters, the voters, the voters, they want all sorts of security.” What about a thing called voter ID, voter identification?


0:19:22 DT: Rob Portman, please work on that. Rob Portman, you have a great Senator. Would you please start working on that? You see the response. Every place I go, Rob.


0:19:32 DT: Please Rob, voter ID. They give you everything they can give you except like voter ID and the things that matter. Republicans believe that a nation must care for its own citizens first. Our pledge to America’s workers has secured commitment to train more than 12 million Americans for the jobs of tomorrow. You know who’s working very hard on that? You probably never heard of her, Ivanka Trump.


0:20:15 DT: She’s working very hard, she gave up a lot. She had a very easy life, but she loves doing it. She’s got over, I think, now 12 million people. They’re teaching them the great companies of our country, they’re teaching people how to do it, and it’s an incredible thing to watch, to give former prisoners a second chance at life. We passed ground-breaking criminal justice reform that nobody could have passed except us.


0:20:52 DT: President Obama tried, a lot of them tried, they couldn’t get it passed. I got it passed with a lot of help from Liberals and Conservatives, and a lot of help, and the biggest beneficiary is the African-American community, biggest beneficiary.


0:21:36 DT: And something which a lot of people don’t talk about, but we doubled the child tax credit, doubled it. And our tax plan also created nearly 9000 opportunity zones, hottest thing going, providing massive new incentives for investment in job creation in distressed communities.


0:22:00 DT: You okay? Take your time, take your time. Doctor? Doctor in the house please. Okay? Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, Doctor. Thank you.


0:22:38 DT: Don’t forget, it’s a 100 degrees in here. That person has been standing there for almost a day, if you think about it, a lot of you, so I appreciate it. And you know what, they’ll come back. They’ll get a little something and they’ll come right back because there’s never been anything like this. There’s never been anything, right?


0:23:07 DT: Thank you, incredible. We established more than 300 opportunity zones in Ohio alone, and these are really working out incredibly well. Nationwide, nearly eight million African-Americans live in opportunity zones, but every Democrat voted against them. Every single Democrat because they vote as a block. It’s the only thing they do good, they stick together. Their policy is no good, they’re lousy politicians, but they stick together like glue. The only thing they have. That’s the only thing they have going. Democrats deliver poverty for their constituents and privilege for themselves. Republicans deliver job safety and opportunity for all Americans.


0:24:06 DT: And we’re thrilled to be joined tonight by many terrific Republican leaders, and we’ll start off with a man who had a very, very tough race for governor. A lot of people choke, they choke like dogs, they can’t breathe, oh, they can’t breathe. This guy was running against a so called star.


0:25:04 DT: So, that’s two protesters. And tomorrow night, the headline will be protesters, protesters. You know what happened to the second one? He looked at the guy in front of him and he said, “I’m out of here, bye.”


0:25:26 DT: That’s the way it works. That’s the way it works, I guess, too bad. But a man who really has done a fantastic job, he campaigned so hard, and this was a star right from the fields of the great Pocahontas who’s now lying and cheating her way to the presidency if possible. She’s trying to win, remember? She defrauded people with her credentials. She said she was Indian, and I said that I have more Indian blood than she does, and I have none, I’m sorry.


0:26:10 DT: And we drove her crazy. And we drove her crazy, that’s a good thing, not a bad thing. And she went out and she had a blood test done and it came out 1024th. He said somewhere back there hundreds of years ago, there may have been an Indian. Or it may have been a statistical error ’cause it was so small, which it was. Anyway, but the guy was like from her group. You wouldn’t be very happy right now. And we have a man that campaigned so hard, relentless. And I came in, we did a rally where we had people like this, it was packed the day before the election, and Mike DeWine won that election and he won it easily, Mike DeWine.


0:27:14 DT: And we have a man who is running for governor of Kentucky again.


0:27:27 DT: And he’s done an incredible job. And did you ever hear… Sometimes you can do such a good job that not everybody appreciates it. But they had a lot of problems with pensions and a lot of tremendous problems that a normal Governor would never had been able to correct. But when you correct it, you make yourself a little bit less popular. But he had no choice, and they had no choice. It’s a great, great state, and he has turned out to be a great, great governor, Matt Bevin.


0:28:08 DT: And he’s running in November, and because I like him so much, Matt, get a nice big arena ready. We’re gonna do a rally for you, okay?

0:28:22 DT: And a man whose fantastic son is here tonight, who I just met, incredible. When I ran with him, he was down. I said, “You know Rob Portman is down.” And then about four weeks later, he was up by like 24 points, I said, “What the hell did you do?” And you know what he did, he does a great job, that’s what he did. Senator Rob Portman.


0:29:01 DT: Great guy. And we have a few guys that… These are warriors. A couple of them you saw the other day, they were questioning Bob Mueller, that was a beauty. He was sharp, wasn’t he? He was sharp as a tack. And Steve Chabot and Brad Wenstrup and Warren Davidson and Andy Barr and a man named Greg Pence who happens to be a brother of somebody I know very well, they have been with us through thick and thin, and it has been mostly really good times because what we’ve done no other administration in the first two and a half years in history has done. Thank you, fellas, great job.


0:30:06 DT: A couple of them gave a grilling, they gave a grilling, all they had to do is mention the facts, and it was over. And also the auditor of the great state of Ohio. A man who’s job I made much easier because you have money pouring in, you have companies pouring, Keith Faber. How was it Keith? The numbers are good Keith, numbers are good, right? Yeah, the numbers are good. Ohio Senate president, Larry Obhof. Larry, thank you, great job. Nice tie. I like Larry’s tie. And you have a couple of people that are very, very powerful. I hear that office and I shudder. Ohio Supreme Court Justices, Sharon Kennedy and Judy French, thank you.


0:31:19 DT: And please don’t recuse yourself, because I gave you a nice welcome, should I ever be before you. I love judges when they see you for about two seconds and then you say “Oh, that judge should be fair.” And then they say, “I’d like to recuse myself because 29 years ago, I met Donald Trump.” I never have been in love. You know, we’ve been doing very well in the courts, by the way. Have you seen what’s… We’ve been winning a lot of cases. A lot of cases. We really have been. We really have been. We’ve now appointed 148, think of this, federal judges. 148, we’re gonna soon have within about two months, Mitch McConnell, the senate, Rob Portman has helped so much.

0:32:13 DT: We’ll soon be, listen to this, 179. Percentage-wise, it’s the second most. We will never beat number one. Sadly, we’ll never beat number one. So percentage-wise, nobody’s ever seen anything like it, and that’s ’cause President Obama basically was not able for about three years to get his people in, which is a shame. And I came in, I had a 148 openings. I said, you’re supposed to have none. I said, “How many do we have?” “148.” I said, “You gotta be kidding.” And we’ve all done a good job together up. It’s been amazing with Mitch and you and everybody, it’s been amazing. So we’re gonna be up to, within two months, 179 federal judges.


0:33:15 DT: That’s in two and a half years. And what else? Two great Supreme Court judges.


0:33:29 DT: Great ones and there’s only one person, I think most of you must know this, who percentage-wise has done better than me with judges, tell me. I’ll give you a hint. He appointed 100% of the federal judges and 100% of the United States Supreme Court. George Washington.


0:34:11 DT: That’s one record we’re not gonna beat. But I appointed many more than him, so let’s take it that way, many more. I also wanna introduce a friend of mine who’s done an incredible job; she’s really something. She has been incredible as a leader of the GOP. She’s the chair and she’s my friend, Jane Timken.


0:34:43 DT: And a man Bob Paduchik, you know Bob Paduchik? So Bob, I had to pick a campaign manager in Ohio. And I kept hearing from the media, “You must win the state of Ohio.” I heard this over and over for like a year and a half. “You must win Ohio. You must win.” So I had to pick a campaign manager and I picked a man named, Bob Paduchik. And no matter what happened, no matter how badly we were doing, he said “Sir, you’re gonna win Ohio easily.” I said, “But Bob, we just lost the head of the GOP in Ohio.” He left because you have a certain governor that asked him to leave; great support from the governor. A different governor than Mike by the way, slightly. So he had to get out. So I said, “We just lost… ” And Bob said, “Don’t worry about it, sir, you’re gonna win. In fact, I think you just went up.” Then we lost a couple of other people. I’d call him, I say, “Bob, I’m worried about Ohio, very worried.” He said, “Don’t worry about it, sir. I think you just went up.” He kept saying, “You just went up.” I said to somebody, “I don’t know much about this guy, but boy, he’s the most optimistic person I’ve ever met.” True.


0:36:02 DT: And we ended up… He said, “Don’t worry.” And we ended up winning Ohio, by close to nine points, which is unheard of.


0:36:14 DT: So he was right. Bob Paduchik.


0:36:22 DT: Bob. And also here tonight, I don’t know, did he do a good job, my son Donald Junior and Kimberly?


0:36:36 DT: I hope he did a good job. Good, I heard you did. I heard you did a great job. He’s been a great help. They both have, and thank you very much. Thank you, Kimberly. Thank you very much. Our shared Republican agenda is pro-worker, pro-jobs, pro-family, pro-growth and 100% pro-America.


0:37:03 DT: We’ve eliminated a record number of job killing regulations giving the average American household $3,000 more to spend every single year. The previous administration tried to shut down American energy and close up, totally close it up, American clean, beautiful coal. That’s what they did. That didn’t work out too well. But you had to suffer. You know what? It didn’t work out well, but you had to suffer for a long time until I came along. You’re not suffering any longer.


0:37:51 DT: The previous administration, they liked windmills, you know, windmills. If a windmill is within two miles of your house, your house is practically worthless. They make noise. They’re intermittent. They kill your birds. They break down all the time. You have to replace them every 10 years because they wear out, and they cost a fortune, and they need subsidy. Other than that, they’re quite good. You don’t want one of those windmills within vision. You hear them. They’re noisy. Got a lot of problems. No, we’re gonna stay with the great energy that’s powering our businesses, that’s creating so many jobs. And solar, you know what? We’ll live with solar, but solar is peanuts by comparison to what you need. But we’re gonna stay the way we have it. We’ve ended the war on American energy, and we’re putting our coal miners back to work and our steel workers back to work and our auto companies back to work.


0:39:05 DT: And we’ve learned over the last three years the incredible gold that we’re sitting on top of in this country. We’re very lucky. We’re now the largest energy producer in the entire world, bigger than Soviet Union, formerly. Remember the Soviet Union? When it was all together, the Soviet Union, when it was all together, before they decided “we gotta call ourselves, Russia.” When it was all together, they wanted to be, that was always their dream to be the biggest in the world, then it became Russia. And you know what? They’ve done a good job with energy, and so has Saudi Arabia done a good job with energy. But we are now bigger than Russia. We are now bigger than Saudi Arabia, by far.


0:40:05 DT: And I withdrew our country from the job-killing, very expensive Paris Climate Accord.


0:40:24 DT: Last year, coal exports were up 92% compared to 2016. 92%. Do you believe that? You’re shipping it all over the world to Vietnam. I was in Vietnam and they said, “We get coal from Ohio. We get coal from West Virginia. It’s the finest coal in the world.” We’ve created more than 110,000 new mining jobs. And thanks to states like Ohio, the United States is now the number one producer of oil, the number one producer of natural gas, the number one. Everything having to do with energy, number one, anywhere in the world. We’re reversing decades of calamitous trade policies that led other countries to pillage our jobs, plunder our factories and devastate Ohio communities and communities in every state. The era of economic surrender is over.


0:41:40 DT: When you look at what they’ve done to your jobs over a period of time, NAFTA was one of the worst deals ever made. And probably the worst deal. You still have empty buildings, empty factories, but now they’re getting filled up pretty fast, or being knocked down for brand new ones. We have hundreds of new companies pouring into the United States. My first week in office, I went through the United States from one of the last administration’s worst sell-outs. It would have destroyed our automobile industry, it would have destroyed manufacturing in this country. And maybe that’s what President Obama meant when he said, “You can’t produce manufacturing jobs anymore in the United States.” Because he would have signed Trans-Pacific Partnership and he would have been right. I killed it.


0:42:37 DT: And by the way, TPP, Trans-Pacific Partnership would have destroyed the automobile industry in this country. Already, they ship down 30% of your jobs to Mexico, under the new USMCA, that’s Mexico and Canada, we gotta get them to vote on that ’cause that’s an incredible deal. But under the new it’s gonna be very hard for companies to leave you, to fire you, to go down, to make their product, whatever it may be, to send it back into the United States with no tax. All we end up with is unemployment, and taxes, and empty buildings. So they gotta vote on the USMCA. Before I took office foreign countries ripped us off, robbed us blind and pushed us around, but America is not being pushed around anymore. Do you realize that? Do you realize that?


0:43:42 DT: I think I got that from working in Ohio for two summers, right? We’ve taken the toughest ever action to stand up to China’s trade abuse, and I just announced another 10% tariff on $300 billion worth of Chinese products that come into our country.


0:44:11 DT: And that’s on top of the 25% that we take of $250 billion coming in from China. And don’t let them tell you, the fact is China devalues their currency, they pour money into their system, they pour it in. And because they do that, you’re not paying for those tariffs, China is paying for those tariffs.


0:44:41 DT: For the last 20 years, China has taken hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars out of our country and now we’re stopping the theft of American jobs. We’re stopping the theft of so many other things happening, including intellectual property.


0:45:02 DT: They steal our intellectual property.


0:45:08 DT: And you know, I think they wanna try and make a deal with us, but I’m not sure. Because the word is, I feel they wanna wait till they get, oh they’re praying, they’re praying. They would like to see a new President in a year and a half, so they could continue to rip off the United States like they’ve been doing for the last 25 years. They would love to see a guy like sleepy Joe Biden who has no clue what the hell he’s doing. They’d say to sleepy Joe, “Sir, just sign right there.” “Oh, okay. [laughter] I’ll sign.”

0:45:56 DT: We’ve been losing hundreds of billions of dollars a year to China, it has to stop, and they understand that. President Xi is a good man, he’s a friend of mine, he understands it. And until such time as there is a deal, we will be taxing the hell out of China. That’s all there is, okay?


0:46:23 DT: If foreign countries don’t wanna pay a tariff, I have a simple solution, make your product in America. Come on back to the United States. Come on back to Ohio. There is no tariff, there’s no tariff.


0:47:00 DT: Thanks to steel tariffs, hundreds of thousands of tons, think of this, were dumped on our shores. And steel is like something else. It’s not quality. They were dumping garbage. They call it sand steel. They call it dirt steel. It was mixed up, it was bad stuff. And we didn’t wanna use that for our jet fighters and for our beams that hold up building. But they were dumping tremendous quantities of steel and what was happening is United States Steel and all of our companies were going virtually out of business, and I stopped it. I put on a 25% tariff, billions of dollars is now pouring into our treasury, and our steel companies and our steel workers are coming back.


0:47:57 DT: Right here in Ohio, Nucor, a great steel company, and a steel company that’s doing great again. Nucor has announced an $85 million upgrade in Marion.


0:48:13 DT: Charter steel announced plans to build a new $150 million steel mill in Cuyahoga Heights. And Cleveland-Cliffs announced a new $700 million plant in a very good place that I like a lot, Toledo. Toledo, Ohio.


0:48:42 DT: And this was unthinkable because, four years ago, steel plants were closing. They weren’t expanding it, they weren’t building. We’re building new plants in Florida, North Carolina, and South Carolina, all over, not just Ohio. On issue after issue, Democrats have forgotten who it is that they’re supposed to represent. They forgot. I wonder why they forgot. The job of elected officials is to represent American citizens, the radical Democrats even support deadly sanctuary cities which release dangerous criminals onto our streets, sanctuary cities.

0:49:31 DT: And many of the places that have sanctuary cities and many of the people that live there, they don’t want them. They don’t want them. They’re dangerous, they’re not good. Here are just a few examples: In San Francisco, an illegal alien was arrested no fewer than 10 times in the span of less than one year for numerous counts of burglary and theft, yet each time, San Francisco defied federal authorities and set him free. And bad things happened when they set him free. A sanctuary jurisdiction in California recently released a criminal alien from jail, the very next month the same individual was arrested for rape. And then beyond anything you would even believe, a horrible thing happened. But yet again, he was released back into your community.

0:50:29 DT: After a sanctuary city in New Jersey released an alien charged with domestic violence, he was arrested in Missouri for the murders of three people. In the bizarre world view of the third and hard left, they have no problem destroying the lives of innocent Americans for a single politically incorrect thought. But they want to virtually, and you know this, you know this, they want virtual immunity for illegal aliens who have committed horrible crimes and murder. Horrible crimes and murder. Republicans believe our cities should be a sanctuary for law-abiding Americans, not criminal aliens.


0:51:31 DT: And yes, we just won a big lawsuit last week. In fact, one of my lawyers for winning that lawsuit is here tonight. I gave him a little reprieve. We need a lot of lawyers in the white house; we get sued so much so unfairly. But we’re winning those lawsuits left and right, but one of them is here. He said, “I’d love to go to a rally.” I said, “I’m going to a place called Cincinnati, Ohio. You deserve it. We just won the lawsuit on the wall.” Where’s Pat?


0:52:17 DT: We just won the law suit on the wall. You hear that? And we’re building the wall faster and better than ever. It is time for Democrats to end sanctuary cities, and catch and release. You know what you do? You catch them and then you release them. And you say, “Would you please report back in four years from now?” But only 2% come back, you know why? ‘Cause they’re not the smartest, they are not the smartest. They’re the ones we don’t wanna have come back. Only 2% show up, catch and release, we could end it immediately if the Democrats cave.

0:53:00 DT: So what we’re doing is something else; we’re keeping them out altogether. We’re replacing random migration and we’re replacing the lottery system. How about the lottery system? How about lotteries? This was Chuck Schumer. You put the name in a basket, the country puts the name in the basket and you pick people out of the lottery. Well, let’s see, this one’s a murderer, this one robbed four banks, this one, I better not say. This one, another murderer, ladies and gentleman, another murderer.

0:53:38 DT: Think of this, do you think they’re gonna put their great citizens… They have great citizens, they have great people like we have great people. Do you think those people are going into a lottery? No. And then we get these people coming in and we hold it against the country. The country isn’t based on that, the country, you just take a look, look at the people they put into these lotteries. It’s a disgrace. And how we’ve done this for so many years, folks, how we’ve done this, it’s an immigration system that’s totally broken and we’re going to win the house, we’re gonna win the Senate, we’re gonna win the presidency and we’re gonna do a merit-based immigration system, merit-based.


0:54:24 DT: Merit-based immigration and we need that. Because we have companies coming in from all over the world and we need good workers, we need good people. We’re down to 3.5% unemployment. We need people, but we want people to come in based on merit, not based on some lottery put in by a government.


0:54:53 DT: Democrats have never been farther outside the mainstream, liberal politicians want to eliminate private healthcare and force everyone onto the government plan. Remember the lies from the previous administration? If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. 28 times, one lie after another, 28 times it was said, and it turned out to be a total lie. My administration is defending your right to choose the plan and doctor that is best for you. We’re offering, right now, plans up to 60% cheaper than ObamaCare, and we will always protect patients with pre-existing conditions always, always.


0:56:00 DT: Virtually every top Democrat also now supports late-term abortion, and then you’ll have like a governor of Virginia. It’s not only late term abortion, it’s killing the baby after the baby is born. How about that? Think of that, think of that. That’s why I’ve asked congress to prohibit extreme late-term abortion because Republicans believe that every child is a sacred gift from God.


0:57:02 DT: Democrats are now the party of high-taxes, high crime, open borders, late term abortion, and they’re the party frankly of socialism. The Republican Party is the party of freedom. We’re the party of the American worker, the American Family. We’re the party of the American dream.


0:57:35 DT: I’m fighting for you each and every day. I had a great life. I used to get great publicity. Nobody got better publicity. I had such a great life, it was so easy. My great wife, the First Lady, Melania, she said… She said, “You know, you’ve always been a hard worker, you love to work, but your life [chuckle] was a lot easier in the old days.” But I love it. And you know why I love it? Because we’re accomplishing so much. Nobody ever thought it would be possible to do the things we’re doing.


0:58:21 DT: Even the thing like right to try, right to try, they’ve been trying to get that for years and years and years. That’s people that are really sick, terminally ill. They couldn’t get medicine. We have the greatest doctors, the greatest clinics, the greatest technicians in the world, they couldn’t get anything. They’ll travel to Asia if they had money. They travel to Europe, they travel all over the world, hoping for a cure. If they had no money, they’ll just go home, they died, they had no hope. For 44 years, they’ve been trying to get right to try. We are so advanced in medicine, we have a lot of things that probably work or possibly work, but we weren’t allowed legally to give that to these people that were so sick. You know why? Because they didn’t want this drug, if it did work, to hurt the people. But the people were terminally ill.

0:59:20 DT: So I got it approved, and it wasn’t easy, it was complicated. The insurance companies didn’t wanna do it. The government didn’t wanna do it, the doctors didn’t wanna do it, tremendous liability. When our country didn’t wanna do it, they say, “Well, if it does it work, we’re gonna get sued.” I say, “So they’ll sign an agreement, very strong one-page, taking all liability away from the United States, from the drug companies, from the doctors, all liability. They’re terminally ill. Let’s try it.” And you know what, it’s been a miracle. So many people have done so well.


1:00:03 DT: We got it done. When I said about the agreement, they had these great lawyers and they said, “Gee, that’s a good idea.” They’ve been working at this for years. They said, “That’s a good idea.” I said, “Yeah, it’s a good idea. How about getting it to me like in about two hours.” Right to try, it’s a great thing, but we have so many things like that. I have lists that you wouldn’t even believe. I have lists that go on for pages of things we’ve done. We’ve launched a historic initiative to reduce the price of prescription drugs, including a plan to allow companies to import lower cost drugs from other countries.


1:00:50 DT: It’s a very unfair system, our country pays the highest prices in the world. Last year was the first time in 51 years that drug pricing for prescription drugs actually came down. Now we’re gonna bring it down by a lot.


1:01:14 DT: We’re gonna bring it down a lot and now, so other countries… Here’s an example: Canada pays half the price for a lot of drugs than we do. So we have a great governor in the state of Florida, Ron DeSantis, calls me up, doing a great job, Ron DeSantis. He was at three and he went to 70, that’s a pretty good increase. Ron DeSantis is a great governor, and he comes to me and he goes, “You know, if you buy the drugs, if we buy the drugs because this is so botched up, we have a middle man, it’s not a good situation.” He said, “If I could go and buy the drugs from Canada, I could save 50%.” I said, “Do it. Do it. And if you can buy them from Europe because their system… Like remember I used to scream when I was winning states and not getting the delegates that I was entitled to and I’d say the system is rigged? Well, the drug system is rigged, it’s rigged. So if we can buy the same drug made by the same pharmaceutical company from Europe or from Canada or from other places at a big deep discount, we’re doing it, and we’re giving them the right to do it.


1:02:33 DT: Just happened today, and we’re doing one other thing that believe it or not is even bigger, but you’ll be seeing that over the next two weeks. With the help of your great senator, Rob Portman, we’ve taken bold action to confront the opioid epidemic, and in Ohio drug overdoes deaths went down 22% last year, 22%. Think of that. Opioid, big problem, big problem. Deaths went down, opioid deaths, 22%, nobody writes that, nobody talks about that, they don’t wanna talk about that. Good job, Rob. Good job.


1:03:26 DT: Good job, Mike. We passed VA Choice and VA Accountability on behalf of our great veterans.


1:03:44 DT: They’d been trying to pass VA Choice for four decades. They couldn’t get it done, we got it done, we got it done.


1:03:57 DT: This is where a veteran would stand on line for three, four, five, six days, for three weeks, for five weeks. Sometimes they’re okay, by the time they see a doctor, they’re terminally ill. And I said, “You know, I have a great idea.” ‘Cause I’d… After doing that this long, this has been, we’ve been working on this for… I’ve been thinking about it a lot. This was during the campaign, what a campaign that was, right? Was that a campaign or what?


1:04:28 DT: And I came back to my people, I had experts. And I said, “I have a great idea. These lines for the veterans are too long. It takes them three, four weeks sometimes to see a doctor. I have a great idea. Let’s let them go outside, go to a private doctor. We’ll pay the bill, they’ll be fixed up all perfect and they can do it immediately. We’ll pay the bill.”


1:05:00 DT: And I thought, I said, “Man, am I smart. I am the smartest guy to think of that.” So I went before this panel of experts that were with me working on things and I said, “How do you like that idea?” And they said, “Sir, we’ve known about it for about 40 years, but we’ve never been able… ” I said, “Really, you’ve known about it that long?” But here’s the thing, we got it done, nobody else could get it done. Nobody else.


1:05:30 DT: And accountability. You couldn’t fire anybody. If they were treating our vets badly, you couldn’t fire them for anything. People could steal, they could be sadistic to our vets. By the way, they wouldn’t have done that in prime time to our vets, I can tell you that. They could be whatever they want; you couldn’t fire them. And it was because of unions and it was because of other things. Civil Service, very tough. You couldn’t fire anybody for almost anything. We had cases where people got… They got caught stealing a lot of money, and you couldn’t fire them. We got VA accountability. Now we say, “Jim, get the hell out of here. You’re fired.”


1:06:21 DT: We’re rebuilding our military and after years of budget cuts and layoffs, the army tank plant in… Do you know Lima? You call it Lima, right? Say? Most people call it Lee-ma, but I know Lima, you know why? Because I came here and they said, “We’re closing this plant.” I said, “What kind of a plant?” They said, “Remember when I was here in Lima?” And I used to say, “You mean Lee-ma?” They said, “No, sir, it’s Lima, that’s why.” ‘Cause hey look, I’ll be honest with you, because they have it rolling on the teleprompter, okay? And I would have been in big trouble, but the good news is I don’t use the teleprompter too much.


1:07:08 DT: If I did, you would have been out of here a long time ago ’cause it gets very boring when you do the teleprompter deal. But in Lima, and I said, “What kind of a plant?” and I said, “Let’s go see it.” During the campaign I went to see it and they make the incredible, the best army tank in the world and I couldn’t believe the complexity, the genius. I said, “Wait a minute, if you close this, you’ll never be able to open it again. You can’t open this, this isn’t like a normal situation that you can open four walls and a roof. This is complicated. This is genius and you’ll never replace these men and women that work here.” I said, and I didn’t know anything at the time, other than I said, “You’re not closing it.” They took it off the list, they kept it open, and now we’re making army tanks around the clock.


1:08:03 DT: We’re investing in the future of human space flight. Americans won the race to the moon, and we will now win the race to Mars.


1:08:23 DT: It’s gonna be amazing. And one thing I have to say also, and we’re also winning the race to great, great strategic defense and offense, not just Mars.


1:08:37 DT: And Mike Pence is doing a great job on that. Great job. To protect America’s security, I withdrew the United States from the horrible Iran nuclear deal, a horrible stupid deal.


1:08:53 DT: We gave Iran $150 billion. We gave Iran $1.8 billion in cash, plain loads of cash. I wonder what they saw when those planes landed. I wonder what happened to the cash. Can you believe it? $1.8 billion we gave them in cash.

1:09:18 DT: And remember what I said, Iran is a much different country than two-and-a-half years ago. When I took over, Iran was all over. They had 14 to 18 different sites of confliction. They were all over, and now they just wanna, oh, they wanna negotiate a deal so badly. Iran. Iran. I recognized Israel’s true capital, and opened the American Embassy in Jerusalem.


1:09:55 DT: And just a few months ago, we recognized the Golan Heights. You know that. That’s another one, big one, for the security of Israel. We also recognized the legitimate government to Venezuela, and we condemn any of the socialist brutality taking place. Let’s see what happens there. Let’s see what happens. Tonight, we renew our results that America will never be a socialist country. Never ever, ever will it be a socialist country.


1:10:53 DT: No matter what label they use, they vote for any Democrat in 2020 is a vote for the rise of radical socialism and the destruction of our great, our beautiful, our wonderful American dream. We’re not going to let our country ever go down the route of socialism.


1:11:31 DT: You must never forget that the 2020 election is about one thing: It’s about you.


1:11:46 DT: I say it again, I say it all the time, never happened before. There’s never been a movement like this. They’ve had movements, they never went. They won a state. They did well at a State. We won 32 states. There’s never been anything like it.


1:12:05 DT: There’s never been anything like it. But this movement is about your family, and your future, and it’s about the life and the fate of your country. We begin our… Hey look, this is a good place. This is a great thing to do. We begin our campaign, and we’re gonna do great, Bob. Right, Bob? Bob, if we don’t do great, you are fired, Bob. You’re fired. But think of it, our Ohio campaign, with the best record, the best results, the best agenda, and the only positive vision for our nation’s future. And again, remember this, Ohio is doing better today than it’s ever, ever, ever done before. It’s the best it’s ever done.


1:13:04 DT: So what’s gonna do? A guy like a sleepy Joe Biden is gonna come in and say, “But I can do better. I can do better.” He wants to go back to sleep. Together, we will continue on leasing the power of American enterprise, so every American can reach their fullest and highest potential, tremendous potential. Our country has such tremendous potential. We’ve had the last week, we’ve had the highest stock market in the history of our country. That means 401Ks. That means job.


1:13:40 DT: But there’s tremendous potential to go up. We have tremendous potential to go up. With your help, we will elect a Republican Congress to create a safe, modern, fair, and lawful system of immigration. We will enact trade deals that ensure more products are proudly stamped, with those four beautiful words “Made in the USA” or “Made in America” or either one, you can use either one.


1:14:16 DT: Made in the America, Made in the US. We will achieve new breakthroughs in science and medicine, and I see what they are doing. I see it. They show me. The things we’re doing in our country today, there’s never been anything like it. We will be ending the AIDS epidemic shortly in America and curing childhood cancer very shortly.


1:14:52 DT: We will defend privacy, free speech, religious liberty, and the right to keep and bear arms.


1:15:14 DT: And just remember, with the Democrats, there is no second amendment. You can forget about Keep and Bear Arms. You can forget it. Above all, we will never stop fighting for the values that bind us together as one America. We will never ever stop fighting. We support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.


1:15:51 DT: We stand with our incredible heroes of law enforcement.


1:16:01 DT: We believe in the dignity of work, and we believe in the sanctity of life.


1:16:11 DT: And we believe that faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, are the true American way.


1:16:23 DT: We believe that children should be taught to love our country, honor our history, and always be proud, patriotic Americans.


1:16:37 DT: And we will always live by the words of our national motto, “In God we trust.”


1:17:00 DT: Two days ago, I spoke at the 400th anniversary of the first representative legislation assembly at Jamestown, Virginia. It was beautiful. It was incredible. I must tell you, I was reminded of so many great things in our country. We have been blessed with such a remarkable and priceless heritage. We are the greatest Republic on the face of the Earth, and we are going to keep it that way.


1:17:36 DT: Every day of my presidency, we will never forget that we are Americans, and the future belongs to us. The future belongs to all of you. The future belongs to the greatest movement in the history of our country.


1:18:00 DT: And with your help and your devotion and your drive, we are going to keep on working. We are going to keep on fighting, and we are going to keep on winning, winning, winning.


1:18:17 DT: We are one people and one family, saluting one great American flag.


1:18:27 DT: We all share the same home, we all share the same heart, and we all share the same love of Almighty God.


1:18:44 DT: Together, with the great and proud people of Ohio, we are making America wealthy again.


1:18:56 DT: We are making America strong again.


1:19:01 DT: We are making America safe again.


1:19:07 DT: We are making America great again. And with your vote in 2020, we will keep America great. Thank you, Ohio.

Full Democratic Presidential Debates Night Two July 31 2019 – #Transcripts2020

As part of our #Transcripts2020 project, we are pleased to release the transcript of night 2 of the Democratic Presidential Debate held on July 31, 2019. An editable version is available here. All transcripts of this series are available here.

0:00:01 Jake: Welcome back to the CNN Democratic presidential debate. Candidates, we’re about to begin opening statements but first, a quick review of the ground rules that your campaigns agreed to earlier this month to try to ensure a fair debate. As moderators, we will attempt to guide the discussion. You will each receive one minute to answer questions, 30 seconds for responses and rebuttals and 15 additional seconds if a moderator asks for a clarification. The timing lights will remind you of these limits. Please respect them and please refrain from interrupting other candidates during their allotted time. A candidate infringing on another candidate’s time will have his or her time reduced. We, again, remind our audience inside the Fox Theater to try to remain silent when candidates are actively debating. The candidates need to be able to properly hear the questions and each other.

0:00:49 Dana: Let’s start with opening statements. You will each receive one minute. Mayor Bill de Blasio, please begin.

0:00:57 Mayor Bill De Blasio: To the working people of America, tonight I bring you a message of hope. We can make change in this country. I know from personal experience it can be done. When I became the mayor of the nation’s largest city, I set us on a path of bold change. They said it couldn’t be done but we gave pre-K to every child for free. We got rid of stop-and-frisk and we lowered crime. We raised the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Yes, it can be done. Now, tonight we have to get to the heart and soul of who we are as Democrats. There are good people on this stage but there are real differences. Joe Biden told wealthy donors that nothing fundamentally would change if he were president. Kamala Harris said she’s not trying to restructure society. Well, I am. For 40 years, working people have taken it on the chin in…


0:01:58 MB: It cannot go on this way. When I’m president, we will even up the score and we will tax the hell out of the wealthy to make this a fairer country and to make sure it’s a country that puts working people first.

0:02:12 Dana: Thank you, Mayor de Blasio. Senator Michael Bennet.

0:02:16 Senator Michael Bennet: Thank you. Last week, I saw one of those Trump signs that says, “America, love it or leave it.” And it was on the outside of a church. I love America and I know we can make it better. Before coming to this Senate, I ran a large urban school district where most of the kids live in poverty. Those kids have exactly the same hopes that I had. Their parents have exactly the same hopes for them that my parents had for me and that Susan and I have for our three children. But for the last three years, we’ve been consumed by a president who frankly doesn’t give a damn about your kids or mine. Mr. President, kids belong in classrooms, not cages.


0:03:22 SB: And they deserve something better than a bully in the White House. Let’s end this three-ringed circus in Washington and let’s make this election about reclaiming our future for our kids and our democracy. Empty promises won’t beat Donald Trump, I can.

0:03:42 Dana: Governor Jay Inslee.

0:03:46 Governor Jay Inslee: Good evening. I’m Jay Inslee. I am running for president because the people in this room and the democrats watching tonight are the last best hope for humanity on this planet. If we make defeating the climate crisis the top priority of the United States, we will have a fighting chance to save ourselves and our children’s future. It has to be our top priority. My plan is one of national mobilization, quickly bringing 100% clean energy to Americans, creating 8 million good union jobs. This is a big, bold, ambitious plan for clean energy for a big, bold, ambitious nation. Middle ground approaches are not enough. We must confront the fossil fuel industry. I’ve been working on this for 25 years and now we know this. We are at tipping point and whether we shrink from this challenge or rise to it is the vital question of our time. We democrats believe we can still do big things in this nation. We can defeat the climate crisis. Let’s get to work.


0:05:05 Dana: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.

0:05:08 Senator Kirsten Gillibrand: My grandmother taught me that nothing’s impossible. She spent two generations organizing women in upstate New York. My mother taught me nothing’s impossible. She was one of only three women in her law school class and worked with gay couples for basic rights. If you want to get something done, just tell me it’s impossible. As a freshman senator, I was told you couldn’t repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” Even members of my own party told me it wasn’t convenient. When are civil rights ever convenient? We stood up to the Pentagon and we got it done. Not impossible. 10 years ago I was told you couldn’t pass healthcare for our 9/11 first responders, those heroes who raced up the towers when others were coming down. Even when Congress turned its back on them, we kept fighting. Just last week we made the 9/11 health bill permanent.


0:06:08 SG: Beating Donald Trump. Definitely not impossible. We need a nominee who will take on the big fights and win…


0:06:27 SG: Beating Donald Trump, definitely not impossible. We need a nominee who will take on the big fights and win. We need a nominee who doesn’t know the meaning of impossible.

0:06:40 Dana: Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.

0:06:44 Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard: I love… And as president, I’ll bring this unifying spirit of love for country and the soldier’s values of service above self to the White House, truly leading a government of, by, and for the people.

0:07:04 Dana: Secretary Julian Castro.

0:07:07 Secretary Julian Castro: Thank you Dana, and good evening. Just a few days ago, we were reminded and inspired by our fellow Americans in Puerto Rico that public service is not fundamentally about any of us. It’s about you, and your family. I want you to know that if I’m elected president, that I will work hard every single day, so that you and your family can have good health care when you need it, so that your children and grandchildren can get a good education so that they can reach their dreams, and that you can have good job opportunities whether you live here in a big city like Detroit or in a small town in our country. I know we have a wonderful special nation, but too many people are struggling. And I know what that’s like too. I grew up with a single mom in a poor neighborhood. But like many of you, I don’t wanna make America anything again. I don’t want us to go backward. We’re not going back to the past. We’re not going back where we came from. We’re gonna move forward. We’re gonna make America better than it’s ever been in the years to come. Let’s do that together.


0:08:17 Dana: Andrew Yang.

0:08:20 Andrew Yang: If you’ve heard anything about me and my campaign, you’ve heard that someone is running for president who wants to give every American $1000 a month. I know this may sound like a gimmick, but this is a deeply American idea from Thomas Paine, to Martin Luther King, to today. Let me tell you why we need to do it, and how we pay for it. Why do we need to do it? We already automated away millions of manufacturing jobs. And chances are, your job could be next. If you don’t believe me, just ask an auto worker here in Detroit. How do we pay for it? Raise your hand in the crowd if you’ve seen stores closing where you live. It is not just you. Amazon is closing 30% of America’s stores and malls, and paying zero in taxes while doing it. We need to do the opposite of much of what we’re doing right now. And the opposite of Donald Trump is an Asian man, who likes math.


0:09:11 AY: So let me share the math. A $1000 a month for every adult would be $461 million every month right here in Detroit alone. The automation of our jobs is essential challenge facing us today. It is why Donald Trump is our president, and any politician not addressing it, is failing the American people.


0:09:32 Dana: Senator Cory Booker.

0:09:34 Senator Cory Booker: Thank you Dana. Last week the President of the United States attacked an American city, calling it a disgusting, rat-infested, rodent mess. We need a nation that understands these tired old language.

0:10:04 Jake: Stand-by senator.

0:10:04 SB: I will stand by.

0:10:05 Jake: Please stand by.

0:10:22 Jake: Please continue, senator.

0:10:23 SB: Thank you very much. Donald Trump from Charleston, to Baltimore, to even the border is using the tired old language of demagogues, of fear mongers, of racists to try to divide our country against itself. We know who Donald Trump is. But in this election, the question is who are we as a people. We have serious problems in America. We have deep wounds, and seriously deeply rooted challenges. We desperately need to heal as a nation and move forward. Because we know in this country that our fates are united, that we have a common destiny. The call of this election is the call to unite in common cause and common purpose. That’s how we will beat Donald Trump. That’s how I will beat Donald Trump, and as your president, that’s how I will govern and move us forward together.


0:11:38 Dana: Senator Kamala Harris.

0:11:42 Senator Kamala Harris: This is an inflection moment in the history of our country, I think we all know that. This is a moment in time that is requiring us each as individuals, and collectively, to look in a mirror and ask the question. That question being, “Who are we?” And I think most of us know that part of the answer to that question is, we are better than this. So, this then becomes a moment that we must fight for the best of who we are, and fight, of course, we will. And this is not a new fight for us as Americans. We have always been prepared to fight for our ideals. We have always been a nation that fights for the best of who we are. And I’ll tell you. I come from fighters. My parents met when they were active in Civil Rights Movement. My sister, Maya and I joke, “We grew up surrounded by a bunch of adults and spent full-time marching and shouting about this thing called Justice.” And I am prepared to march with you, to fight with you for the best of who we are, and to successfully prosecute the case of four more years of Donald Trump, and against him.


0:12:51 Dana: Vice President, Joe Biden.

0:12:53 Vice President Joe Biden: Tonight, I think democrats are expecting some engagement here. And I expect we’ll get it. I’m running for president to restore the soul of this country. You know, we have a president, who everybody acknowledged here, every day is ripping at the social fabric of this country. But no one man has the capacity to rip that apart, it’s too strong, we’re too good. Just look at this stage. Made up of very diverse people from diverse backgrounds, went on to be mayors, senators, governors, congresswomen, members of the Cabinet and yes, even a vice president. Mr. President, this is America. And we are strong and great because of this diversity, Mr. President, not in spite of it, Mr. President. So Mr. President, let’s get something straight. We love it, we are not leaving it, we are here to stay, and we’re certainly not gonna leave it to you.


0:13:54 Dana: Thank you Vice President, Biden. I wanna start the debate with one of the top priorities for democratic voters, and that is health care. Senator Harris, this week you released a new health care plan which would preserve private insurance and take 10 years to phase in. Vice President Biden’s campaign calls your plan, quote, “A have-it-every-which-way approach” and says, “It’s just part of a confusing pattern of equivocating about your healthcare stance.” What do you say to that?

0:14:25 SH: Well, they’re probably confused ’cause they’ve not read it. But the reality is that I have been spending time in this campaign, listening to American families, listening to experts, listening to healthcare providers. And what I came away with, is a very clear understanding that I needed to create a plan that was responsive to the needs of the American people. Responsive to their needs understanding that insurance companies have been jacking up the prices for far too long, that American families have to be held down by deductibles and co-pays and premiums that can cause them bankruptcy. I listened to the American families who said four years is just not enough to transition into this new plan. So I devised a plan where it’s gonna be 10 years of a transition. I listened to American families who said, “I want an option that will be under your Medicare system that allows a private plan.” So I designed a plan where, yes, responsive to the needs of American… Families, there will be a public plan under my plan from Medicare and a private plan under my plan from Medicare. Because the bottom line is this, we must agree that access to healthcare must be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. And in America today, far too many people, in fact, 30 million people…

0:15:46 Dana: Thank you, senator.

0:15:46 SH: Are going without access to health care.

0:15:48 Dana: Thank you, Senator Harris. Vice President Biden, your response.

0:15:51 VB: Well, my response is that the senator’s had several plans so far and any time someone tells you you’re gonna get something good in 10 years, you should wonder why it takes 10 years. If you noticed, there’s no talk about the fact that the plan in 10 years will cost $3 trillion and you will lose your employer-based insurance. And in fact, you know, this is the single most important issue facing the public. And to be very blunt and to be very straight forward, you can’t beat President Trump with double talk on this plan.

0:16:21 Dana: Your response, Senator Harris?

0:16:22 SH: Absolutely. Unfortunately, Vice President Biden, you’re just simply inaccurate in what you’re describing. The reality is that our plan will bring healthcare to all Americans under a Medicare For All system. Our plan will allow people to start signing up on the first day. Babies will be born into our plan and right now, four million babies, almost are born every day in America or every year in America. Under our plan, we will ensure that everyone has access to healthcare. Your plan by contrast, leaves out almost 10 million Americans. So I think that you should really think about what you’re saying but be reflective and understand that the people of America want access to healthcare and do not want cost to be their barrier to getting it.

0:17:07 Dana: Senator Harris, thank you. Vice President Biden, your response?

0:17:11 VB: The plan, no matter how you cut it, costs $3 trillion when it is in fact employed, number one, 10 years from now, after two terms of the senator being president, after her time. Secondly, it will require middle-class taxes to go up, not down. Thirdly, it will eliminate employer-based insurance. And fourthly, what happens in the meantime?

0:17:36 SH: I’d like to respond. First of all, the cost of doing nothing is far too expensive. Second, we are now paying $3 trillion a year for health care in America. Over the next 10 years, it’s probably gonna be $6 trillion. We must act. My plan is about immediately allowing people to sign coverage. Right now, in America, we have seniors, who every day, millions of seniors are going into the Medicare system and they are getting full coverage and the kind of coverage they need. All people should have access to healthcare and cost should not be their barrier.

0:18:15 Dana: Thank you Senator Harris. Mayor de Blasio, let’s bring you in here. What’s your response?

0:18:18 MB: Thank you. I don’t know what the Vice… Say that their health insurance isn’t working for them. There’s tens of millions of Americans don’t even have health insurance, tens of millions more who have health insurance they can barely make work because of the co-pays, the deductibles, the premiums, the out-of-pocket expenses. There’s this mythology that somehow all these folks are in love with their insurance in America. What I hear from union members and from hard-working middle-class people is they wish they had better insurance and they’re angry at private insurance companies that skim all the profits off the top and make it impossible for everyday people to get coverage like mental healthcare…

0:19:02 Dana: Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

0:19:02 MB: Dental care, the things that would be full coverage for all Americans.

0:19:05 Dana: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Vice President Biden, you just heard Mayor de Blasio, he said in the past that Democrats who want to keep the private insurance industry are defending a healthcare system that is not working. What’s your response?

0:19:18 VB: My response is, ObamaCare is working. The way to build this and get to it immediately is to build on ObamaCare. Go back and take back all the things that Trump took away, provide a public option, meaning every single person in America would be able to buy another option if they didn’t like their employer plan, or if they’re on Medicaid, they’d automatically be in the plan. It would be take place immediately, it would move quickly, and it would ensure the vast, vast, vast majority of Americans. In the meantime, what happens? Did anybody tell you how much their plans cost? My plans cost $750 billion. That’s what it costs. Not $30 trillion.

0:19:57 Dana: Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Senator Gillibrand, you support Medicare For All. How do you feel about Senator Harris continuing to call her health proposal Medicare For All, when it includes a far more significant role for private insurance than the bill you cosponsored?

0:20:12 SG: I think for the viewers and the audience right now, they’re at risk of losing the forest to the trees, because the truth is, healthcare in America should be a right. When I was a young mother and had Theo as an infant, he had an allergic… I know whatever they’re gonna prescribe, whether it’s an EpiPen or an inhaler, I can afford it. The truth about healthcare in America today is people can’t afford it. They cannot afford, and the insurance companies, for these plans that rely on insurance companies, I’m sorry, they’re for-profit companies. They have an obligation to their shareholders, they pay their CEO millions of dollars, they have to have quarterly profits, they have fat…

0:21:00 Dana: To come out $5000.

0:21:02 VB: My plan makes the limit of co-pay to be $1000, because we further support the ability to buy into the ObamaCare plan. Secondly, the idea that this is somehow a bad idea, no one has to keep their own private insurance, but if they would like their insurance, they should be able to keep it. Nothing is demanded on my plan that there be private…


0:21:28 SB: Take away America’s healthcare. There’s a court case working through the system that’s going…

0:21:36 Dana: You say you support Medicare For All. You also say you are not going to pull private health insurance from more than 150 million Americans in exchange for a government plan. But that’s what Medicare For All would do, so how do you square that?

0:21:50 SB: Well, first of all, let me just say that the person that’s enjoying this debate most right now is Donald Trump, as we pit Democrats against each other while he is working right now to take away America’s healthcare. There’s a court case working through the system that’s going to gut the Affordable Care Act and actually gut protections on pre-existing conditions. And so, I was raised by two civil rights parents who told me to always keep your eyes on the prize. And that is that in the United States of America, every Democrat should stand with the belief that everyone should have access to healthcare, that it’s a human right. And how we get there, it has to be to end this broken system because we are on our way in just a handful of years of literally spending 20% of our economy, one out of every $5 spent on healthcare, and we spend more than every other nation. On everything from MRIs to insulin drugs, multiple more than other countries. And so, you wanna know what I’m gonna do? I’m going to work to get us to a point where Medicare For All, where everyone is covered. But this pitting against progressives, against moderates, saying one is unrealistic and the other doesn’t care enough, that to me is dividing our party and demoralizing us in face of the real enemy here.


0:23:05 Dana: Thank you, Senator.

0:23:06 SB: And I’m gonna keep fighting for that…

0:23:07 Dana: Thank you, Senator Booker.


0:23:09 Dana: Congressman Gabbard, what’s your response?

0:23:11 CG: The reality is, right now, we don’t have a healthcare system. We have a sick care system, and there are far too many people in this country who are sick and unable to get the care that they need because they cannot afford it. So, the core of this problem is the fact that big insurance companies and big pharmaceutical companies who’s been profiting off the backs of sick people have had a seat at the table writing this legislation. Now, Kamala Harris just talked about Kathleen Sebelius, who helped write her bill. This just pointed to the fatal flaw in her proposal. Sebelius works for Medicare Advantage, private insurance company who will stand to profit under her plan. If we’re seeking to really reform our healthcare system, we’ve got to shut out big insurance and big pharma out of the drafting process so they cannot continue to profit off the backs of the sick people in this country who are searching and in desperate need of care.


0:24:02 Dana: Senator Harris, your response?


0:24:04 SH: Well, unfortunately, Representative Gabbard got it wrong. Kathleen… Not have access to healthcare. And in 2019 in America, for a Democrat to be running for President with a plan that does not cover everyone, I think is without excuse. Our plan covers everyone…

0:24:28 Dana: Thank you, Senator.

0:24:29 SH: And gives people choice.

0:24:30 Dana: Thank you, Senator. Vice President Biden, your response.

0:24:32 VB: What plan will cover everyone? Number one. Number two, the fact is that my plan also calls for controlling drug prices. The bio pharma is now where things are gonna go. It’s no longer chemicals, it’s about all these breakthroughs that we have, with the whole, excuse me, immune system. And what we have to do now, is we have to have a forum that sits in HHS and says, “As you develop a drug, you gotta come to us and decide what you can sell it for. We will set the price.” And secondly, it says that, “You cannot raise that price beyond the cost of inflation from this point on.”

0:25:08 Jake: Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I wanna bring in Senator Bennet. Last night on this stage, one of your Democratic rivals suggested that running on Medicare For All would get Donald Trump re-elected. Do you agree with that, sir?

0:25:20 SB: I agree that it makes it much more likely. Unlike others on this stage, I’ve been crystal clear where I’ve been for a decade, through two tough races in Colorado. I believe we should finish the job we started with the Affordable Care Act, with a public option that gives everybody in this audience the chance to pick for their family, whether they want private insurance or public insurance. It requires the drug companies to be negotiated with by Medicare and it provides competition. That is totally different from the plan that Senator Warren and Senator Sanders and Senator Harris have proposed, which would make illegal employer-based health insurance in this country, and massively raise taxes on the middle class to the tune of $30 trillion. As Joe Biden said, we don’t need to do that, it doesn’t make sense for us to take away insurance from half the people in this room, and put huge taxes on almost everybody in this room, when we can pass a public option, trust the American people to make the right decision, and have universal healthcare in this country in two years, not 10 years.

0:26:26 Jake: Thank you Senator. Secretary Castro, I wanna bring in. Your response.

0:26:29 SH: I would like to respond.

0:26:31 Jake: I’ll come to you right after Secretary Castro. Secretary Castro.

0:26:33 SC: Well, I know that this is something very personal for all Americans. I grew up with a grandmother that had diabetes, and I watched as her condition got worse and worse. That whole time she had Medicare. I wanna strengthen Medicare for the people who are on it, and then expand it to anybody who wants it. I also believe though, that if somebody has a private health insurance plan that is strong, that they wanna hold on to, that they should be able to do that. What I don’t believe is that the profit motive of the big pharma or big insurance companies, should ever determine in our great nation, whether somebody gets healthcare or not.

0:27:06 Jake: Thank you Secretary Castro.


0:27:07 Jake: Senator Harris, Senator Bennet had suggested that you support banning employer-based health insurance. Is that true?

0:27:14 SH: Well, first of all, with all due respect to my friend, Michael Bennet, my plan does not offer anything that is illegal, what it does is it separates the employer from healthcare, meaning that the kind of healthcare you get will not be a function of where you work. I have met so many Americans who stick to a job that they do not like, where they are not prospering, simply because they need the healthcare that that employer provides. It’s time that we separate employers from the kind of healthcare people get. And under my plan, we do that, as it relates to the insurance and the pharmaceutical companies who will not be called in, and who will not be taken to task by Senator Biden or Senator Bennet’s plan. We will do that.

0:27:57 Jake: Senator Bennet I wanna bring you back.

0:27:58 SB: Senator Harris is my friend as well. But I have to say, if we can’t admit, if we can’t admit tonight what’s in the plan, which is banning employer-based insurance, we’re not gonna be able to admit that when Donald Trump is accusing Democrats of doing that as well. We need to be honest about what’s in this plan. It bans employer-based insurance and taxes the middle class to the tune of $30 trillion. Do you know how much that is? That is 70% of what the government will collect in taxes over the next 10 years. We don’t need to do that. We can have a public option and have universal healthcare in this country.

0:28:31 Jake: Thank you Senator. Governor Inslee. I’ll come to you in a second but I do wanted… I do wanna bring in Senator Harris ’cause he just suggested you were not being honest.

0:28:42 SH: He… We cannot keep with the Republican talking points on this. You gotta stop. The reality is that under my Medicare For All plan, yes, employers are not gonna be able to dictate the kind of healthcare that their employees get. They will be able to make that decision. Private insurance companies and private carriers, if they comply by our rules and play by our rules, we’ll be able to offer those employees healthcare coverage under a private Medicare plan, or they can have the option of a public Medicare plan. But it is misleading to suggest that employees want what their employer is offering only. They want choice, and my plan gives that to them.

0:29:20 Jake: Thank you. Thank you, Senator. Governor Inslee…


0:29:22 Jake: I wanna bring you in. You recently signed a public option into law which allows Washington State residents to purchase… The American people need?

0:29:35 GI: No, we need universal coverage, and I’m proud of our state that has done less squabbling and actually getting things done. And I am proud that we were the first state to offer a publicly sanctioned offer of healthcare to our citizens. I’m also proud that we didn’t stop there. We were also the first state that has taken care of our elders, our seniors. We have a looming retirement wave coming up. I’m proud that our state has made them eligible to retire in dignity. I’m also proud of this, and I think we need to talk more about this as Democrats. It is time to give people adequate mental healthcare in this country.


0:30:11 GI: And we are… We are… We are having… We have had some success in integrating mental health with physical health. There’s no reason we should distinguish between your physiological and your mental health. And the last thing we’re doing, and I think it’s very instructive for the nation, we know we’re being eaten alive by pharmaceutical costs. We have had one of, if not the most innovative way, to drive down pharmaceuticals for life-saving medications in the United States. That’s a record of Washington State. I’d like to take it to Washington, DC.

0:30:44 Jake: Thank you. Thank you Governor Inslee. Mr. Yang, I wanna bring you in. You support a Medicare for all system. How do you respond to Governor Inslee?

0:30:51 AY: Well, I just wanna share a story. When I told my wife I was running for President, you know the first question she asked me? What are we gonna do about our healthcare? That’s a true story, and it’s not just us. Democrats are talking about healthcare in the wrong way. As someone who’s run a business, I can tell you flat out our current healthcare system makes it harder to hire, it makes it harder to treat people well and give them benefits and treat them as full-time employees, it makes it harder to switch jobs as Senator Harris just said, and it’s certainly a lot harder to start a business. If we say, “Look, we’re gonna get healthcare off the backs of businesses and families,” then watch American entrepreneurship recover in blue. That’s the argument we should be making to the American people.


0:31:26 Jake: Thank you, Mr. Yang. Mayor de Blasio.

0:31:29 MB: Yeah. I don’t understand why Democrats on this stage are fear-mongering about universal healthcare. It makes no sense. Ask the American people, they are sick of what the pharmaceutical companies are doing to them. Ask them what they feel about their health insurance companies, they feel it’s holding back their families ’cause they can’t get the coverage they need. They get a lot of no’s, they don’t get a lot of help from health insurance companies. Why are we not going to be the party that does something bold? That says, “We don’t need to be dependent on private insurance, we can have a system that actually covers everyone.” You know what? Donald Trump won this state of Michigan by saying he was gonna disrupt the status quo. How about we be the party that’s gonna disrupt the status quo for working people?

0:32:07 Jake: Thank you.


0:32:08 Jake: Mr. Mayor, just a 15-second point of clarification. Who were you talking about? Who’s fear-mongering?

0:32:14 MB: Certainly, with all due respect to Senator Bennett, what he’s saying is absolutely inaccurate about taxes. Americans right now are paying so much money for their healthcare. Ask people about the reality of premiums, deductibles, co-pays, out-of-pocket expenses.

0:32:30 Jake: Thank you.

0:32:31 MB: That’s worse than any tax.

0:32:32 Jake: Thank you.

0:32:32 MB: And people are paying that right now.

0:32:33 Jake: Thank you Mr. Mayor. Senator Bennet.


0:32:36 SB: [chuckle] This is… This has nothing to do with Republican talking reports or the pharmaceutical industry. This has to do with having faith in the American people that they can make the right decisions for their families and they can choose a public option…


0:32:55 MB: As democrats say, “We’re done with private insurance that has only hurt the American people in so many ways. We’re gonna give them something that works for their families, full coverage, that they can depend on.” If we say that, then there’s an election. The American people get to decide. The ultimate choice, Senator…


0:33:15 MB: A chance to make that decision through an election.

0:33:15 Jake: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Vice President Biden, your response, sir.

0:33:18 VB: This is not a Republican talking point. The Republicans are trying to kill Obamacare. Obamacare took care of 20 million people right off the bat, 100 million people with pre-existing conditions. And, in fact, what we got is a public option that, in fact, would allow anybody to buy in. No one has to keep their private insurance. They can buy into this plan and they can buy into it with $1000 deductible and never have to pay more than 8.5% of their income when they do it. And if they don’t have any money, they’ll get in free. And so this idea is a bunch of malarkey, what we’re talking about here.


0:33:50 VB: The fact of the matter is that there will be a deductible. It will be a deductible on their paycheck. Bernie acknowledges it. Bernie acknowledges it. $30 trillion has to all be paid. And I don’t know what math you do in New York, I don’t know what math you do in California, but I tell you, that’s a lot of money. And there will be a deductible. The deductible will be out of your paycheck because that’s what will be required.

0:34:16 Jake: Senator Harris, I wanna bring you in here. Your response?


0:34:19 SH: Yeah. Let’s talk about math. Let’s talk about math. Let’s talk about the fact that the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance companies last year alone profited $72 billion, and that is on the backs of American families. And under your plan, status quo, you do nothing to hold the insurance companies to task for what they have been doing to American families. In America today, a diabetes patient, one in four cannot afford their insulin. In America today…

0:34:52 Jake: Thank you, Senator.

0:34:53 SH: For those people who are overdosed from an opioid, there is a syringe that cost $4000…

0:34:57 Jake: Thank you, Senator.

0:34:58 SH: That will save their life. It is a immoral. It is untenable. And it must change with Medicare for all.

0:35:01 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Your time is up, Senator. Vice President Biden, your response?


0:35:05 VB: Real quick. I have the only plan that limits the ability of insurance companies to charge unreasonable prices, flat out, number one. Number two, we should put some of these insurance executives who totally oppose my plan in jail for the $9 billion opioids they sell out there. They are misrepresenting to the American people what need to be done. And, lastly, here’s the deal. The deal is, let’s figure out how this works. We immediately are able to cover everybody who wants to get off of their insurance plan they don’t like, no matter what one it is, and buy into a Medicare option. And they can buy the Gold Plan and they’re not gonna have to pay… Anyway.

0:35:44 Don: Thank you, Mr. Vice President, thank you. Let’s move now to Immigration, please. Secretary Castro, do you think it should no longer be a crime to cross the US border illegally? President Obama’s Homeland Security Secretary, Jeh Johnson, whom you served with, says, “That is a public declaration that the border is “effectively open to all.” How is he wrong?

0:36:05 SC: Thank you for that question. You know, if you elect me President…


0:36:14 SC: In this country again is to repeal Section 1325 of the Immigration Nationality Act. That is the law that this President, this…


0:36:27 SC: Pathway to citizenship, that we do a 21st century martial plan with Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala so that we can get to the root of this challenge so people can find safety and opportunity at home instead of having to come to the United States. So that’s how we can be smarter, more effective, and more humane when it comes to immigration policy.

0:36:47 Don: Thank you, Secretary Castro. Senator Benett, what’s your response?


0:36:53 SB: I disagree that we should decriminalize our border. This is personal for me. My mom’s an immigrant and she was separated from her parents during the Holocaust in Poland. And for those reasons, I was part of the gang of eight that wrote… I wrote the immigration bill in 2013 with John McCain that passed the Senate, was…


0:37:19 SG: I think when you talk about whether this should be a crime, you have to remember who we’re talking about. When I was at the Texas border, I visited with women who had fled violence. A woman from El Salvador owned a small business, gangs came to her and said, “If you don’t give us all your money, we’re going to kill your family.” That’s why she fled. Another woman was raped. That’s why she fled. So, this is who we’re talking about. And they’re not criminals. So, I believe that we should have a civil violation. No President before President Trump enforced the law in the way he has enforced it because he’s using it as the crutch to lock up women and children, to separate mothers and babies, to put them behind bars. So, I don’t think we should have a law on the books that can be so misused. It should be a civil violation and we should make sure that we treat people humanely.

0:38:09 Don: Thank you, Senator. Vice President Biden?


0:38:12 Don: In the first two years of the Obama administration, nearly 800,000 immigrants were deported, far more than during President Trump’s first two years. Will the higher deportation rates resume if you’re President?

0:38:23 VB: Absolutely not, number one. Number two, everything landed on the President’s desk but locusts. I found that… Excuse me. The Secretary, we sat together in many meetings. I never heard him talk about any of this when he was the Secretary.

0:38:36 S?: Three million deportation. Three million deportation. Three million deportation.

0:38:41 Don: Please be respectful. Please be respectful in the crowd.

0:38:45 S?: Three million deportations.

0:38:46 SC: Please continue, Mr. Vice President.

0:38:47 S?: Three million deportations.

0:38:50 S?: Three million deportations. Three million deportations.

0:38:53 VB: The fact is… The fact is…

0:38:56 S?: Three million deportations.

0:38:58 VB: I don’t know if you can hear, I can hear, but anyway.

0:39:00 Don: We can hear fine, Mr. Vice President, [chuckle] please continue if you will.

0:39:01 VB: Okay. [chuckle] The fact is what the Senator from New York talked about is seeking asylum. That woman, the women she spoke to are entitled to asylum. That is not crossing the border illegally. What we should do is flood the zone to make sure we have people to make those decisions quickly. With regard to the Secretary’s point, I already proposed and passed $750 million for Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras to be able to change the circumstance why people fled in the first place. In addition to that, we’re in a circumstance where if in fact you say you can just cross the border, what do you say to all those people around the world who in fact want the same thing, to come to United States and make their case, but they don’t, that they have to wait in line? The fact of the matter is, you should be able to… If you cross the border illegally, you should be able to be sent back. It’s a crime. It’s a crime, and it’s not one that in fact…

0:40:02 Don: Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Secretary Castro, please your response.

0:40:05 SC: First of all, Mr. Vice President, it looks like one of us has learned the lessons of the past, and one of us hasn’t. Let me begin by telling you…


0:40:15 SC: Let me just start out by answering that question. My immigration plan would also fix the broken legal immigration system. Because we do have a problem with that. Secondly, the only way that we’re gonna guarantee that these kinds of family separations don’t happen in the future is that we need to repeal this law. There’s still gonna be consequences if somebody crosses the border. It’s a civil action. Also we have 654 miles of fencing, we have thousands of personnel at the border, we have planes, we have boats, we have helicopters, we have security cameras…

0:40:45 Don: Secretary. Secretary Castro, thank you. Your time is up.

0:40:48 SC: What we need are politicians that actually have some guts on this issue.


0:40:51 Don: Thank you Secretary. Mr. Vice President, please, your response.

0:40:55 VB: I have guts enough to say his plan doesn’t make sense. Here’s the deal, the fact of the matter is that in fact when people cross the border illegally, it is illegal to do it unless they’re seeking asylum. People should have to get in line, that’s the problem. And the only reason this particular part of the law is being abused is because of Donald Trump. We should defeat Donald Trump and end this practice.


0:41:22 Don: Thank you. Congresswoman Gabbard, what’s your response?

0:41:26 CG: Our hearts break when we see those children at these detention facilities who’ve been separated from their parents, when we see human beings crowded into cages in abhorrent, inhumane conditions. This is about leadership and understanding that we can and should have both secure borders as well as humane immigration policies. We will have to stop separating children from their parents, make it so that it’s easier for people to seek asylum in this country, make sure that we are securing our borders, and making it so that people are able to use our legal immigration system by reforming those laws.

0:42:03 Don: Mr. Yang your response.

0:42:05 AY: I’m the son of immigrants myself. My father immigrated here as a graduate student and generated over 65 US patents for GE and IBM. I think that’s a pretty good deal for the United States. That’s the immigration story we need to be telling. We can’t always be focusing on some of the distress stories. And if you go to a factory here in Michigan, you will not find wall to wall immigrants, you will find wall to wall robots and machines. Immigrants are being scapegoated for issues they have nothing to do with in our economy.


0:42:33 Don: Thank you, Mr. Yang. Senator Booker, you have a plan that would, ‘Virtually eliminate immigration detention.’ Does that mean that the roughly 55,000 migrants, currently in detention would be released into the United States?

0:42:48 SB: Well, first of all, I just wanna say again tonight we are playing into Republican hands who have a very different view and they’re trying to divide us against each other. I’m listening to the language of my colleagues. No, Mr. Vice President, we are not gonna just let people cross the border. An unlawful crossing is an unlawful crossing if you do it in the civil courts or if you do it through the criminal court. But the criminal courts is what is giving Donald Trump the ability to truly violate the human rights of people coming to our country, who no one surrenders their human rights. And so doing it through the civil courts means that you won’t need these awful detention facilities that I’ve been to, seeing children sleeping on pavement, people being put in cages, nursing mothers, small children. This is not necessary. We have seen, using the civil system, piloted programs that have 100% compliance with the civil courts, where people are evaluated. If they have no justifiable reason to be here, they are returned. If they are, like the people I met in Juarez who were survivors of sexual assault, who we wouldn’t even let come and present for asylum. We are butchering our values and making ourselves less safe.

0:44:03 Don: Senator Booker, thank you very much. Mr. Vice President, your response.

0:44:06 VB: I agree with the Senator, the asylum process is a real process and this President is ruining it, it has nothing to do with that section of the law. That’s what he’s doing, number one. Number two, we should in fact, and we are proposing, we tried to get it passed in our administration, I propose… Significantly increasing the number of legal immigrants who are able to come. This country can tolerate a heck of a lot more people. And the reason we’re the country we are, is we’ve been able to cherry pick from the best of every culture. Immigrants built this country. That’s why we’re so special. It took courage, it took resilience, it took absolute confidence for them to come. And we should be encouraging people.

0:44:40 Don: Thank you.

0:44:41 VB: And by the way, anybody who crosses the stage with a PhD should get a green card for seven years. We should keep them here.

0:44:48 Don: Thank you.

0:44:48 S?: I agree with that.

0:44:48 Don: Thank you very much, Mr. Vice President. Governor Inslee, what’s your response?


0:44:52 GI: I think we’re missing two central statements we need to make. Number one, we can no longer allow a white nationalist to be in the White House, number one.


0:45:01 GI: And number two…


0:45:08 GI: Number two, we have to make America what it’s always been, a place of refuge. We gotta boost the number of people we accept. I’m proud of being the first governor saying, “Send us your Syrian refugees.” I’m proud of being the first governor to stand up against Donald Trump’s Muslim ban. I’m proud to have sued him 21 times and beat him 21 times in a row. I’m ready for November 2020.


0:45:30 Don: Go ahead, Mayor De Blasio, please, your response.

0:45:32 MB: Two points. One, it’s all kind of a charade because there’s 11 million people here, and everyone, in theory, has broken the law, but they’re part of our communities now, they’re part of our economy, they’re our neighbors. Why are we even discussing on one level whether it’s a civil penalty or a criminal penalty when it’s an American reality? And what we need is comprehensive immigration reform once and for all to fix it. Second, Vice President Biden, I didn’t hear your response when the issue came up with all those deportations. You were Vice President of the United States. I didn’t hear whether you tried to stop them or not using your power, your influence in the White House. Did you think it was a good idea or do you think it was something that needed to be stopped?

0:46:11 Don: Mr. Vice President.

0:46:11 VB: The President came along, and he’s the guy that came up with the idea, first time ever of dealing with the DREAMers. He put that in the law. He had talked about a comprehensive plan, which he put on the… Laid before the Congress, saying that we should find a pathway to citizenship for people. He said we should up the number of people that we’re able to bring into this country. Lastly, he also pointed out that we should go to the source of the problem and fix it where people were leaving in the first place. So he did… To compare him to Donald Trump, I think is absolutely bizarre.

0:46:44 Don: Thank you very much, Mr. Vice President.


0:46:46 Don: Congresswoman Gabbard, you are a co-sponsor of the College for All Act, which would make public colleges and universities free for all Americans. One of the authors of that plan, Senator Sanders, believes college should be tuition free for undocumented immigrants as well. Do you?

0:47:02 CG: I don’t. I think it’s important for us to fix our legal immigration system and look at the millions of undocumented immigrants in this country who have been suffering as they’ve been living in the shadows. And instead of putting a band-aid on this problem, fix our legal immigration system to provide them with that pathway to legal residency or citizenship so that they are no longer treated as second-class citizens in this country. We’ve gotta look at the challenge that people all across this country are facing under crushing student debt. This is something that is impacting my generation in a huge way, and I believe that it is our generation that has the bold, creative solutions to be able to solve it. This is about promise for our future, and we’ve gotta make those kinds of investments.

0:47:47 Don: Thank you, Congresswoman. Mayor de Blasio, what’s your response?


0:47:50 MB: Yeah, I agree with the Congress member, but I don’t hear an answer from the Vice President. And I’m confused. I asked the Vice President point blank, did he use his power to stop those deportations. He went right around the question. Mr. Vice President, you wanna be President of the United States, you need to be able to answer the tough questions. I guarantee you, if you’re debating Donald Trump, he’s not gonna let you off the hook. So did you say those deportations were a good idea or did you go to the President and say, “This is a mistake. We shouldn’t do it.” Which one?

0:48:18 VB: I was Vice President, I am not the President. I keep my recommendation in private. Unlike you, I expect you would go ahead and say whatever was said privately with him. That’s not what I do. What I do say to you is, he moved to fundamentally change the system. That’s what he did. That’s what he did. But much more has to be done. Much more has to be done.

0:48:40 MB: I still don’t hear an answer.

0:48:41 Don: Senator Booker, please respond. [chuckle]

0:48:42 SB: Well, a couple of things. First of all, Mr. Vice President, you can’t have it both ways. You invoke President Obama more than anybody in this campaign. You can’t do it when it’s convenient and then dodge it when it’s not.


0:48:52 SB: And the second thing, and this really irks me because I heard the Vice President say that if you got a PhD you can come right into this country. Well, that’s playing into what the Republicans want; to pit some immigrants against other immigrants. Some are from shithole countries, and some are from worthy countries.


0:49:08 SB: We need to reform this whole immigration system and begin to be the country that says, “Everyone has worth and dignity, and this should be a country that honors for everyone.” Don’t let the Republicans divide this party against itself.

0:49:21 Don: Senator, thank you. Mr. Vice President, your response.

0:49:23 VB: The fact is, that’s what I said about this country. We are a country of immigrants, all of us. All of us. Some here came against their will. Others came because they, in fact, thought they could fundamentally change their lives, and they did. The Statue of Liberty, “Send us your… ” That’s what we’re talking about. That’s what made us great. And the fact of the matter is, I think the President of the United States, Barack Obama, went out of his way to try to change the system and he got pushed back significantly.

0:49:51 Don: Senator Gillibrand, what’s your response?


0:49:58 SG: [chuckle] Again, President Trump, under his administration, seven children died in his custody. Under his administration, families have been torn apart. This party is talking about real ideas for the future. We’re talking about what we will do to change America. But we must not forget about our values. We used to believe in this country, you should treat others the way you wanna be treated. We used to believe in this country, we should care about the least among us. Let’s remind the American people who we are, why we are Democrats, and why we’re running for President.

0:50:31 Don: Senator Gillibrand, thank you very much. The debate will be right back right after this short break.


0:51:20 Jake: Democratic Presidential debate. We are live from Detroit. I wanna turn now to criminal justice of Mr. Vice President. Senator Booker called your new criminal justice reform plan quote, “An inadequate solution to what is a raging crisis in our country,” unquote. Why is Senator Booker wrong?

0:51:39 VB: Well, I don’t. I think he is wrong. I think we should work together. He has a similar plan. I think that we should change the way we look at prisons. Right now, we’re in a situation where when someone is convicted of a drug crime, they end up going to jail and to prison. They should be going to rehabilitation, they shouldn’t be going to prison. When in prison, they should be learning to read and write and not just sit in there and learn how to be better criminals. And when they get out of prison they should be in a situation where they have access to everything they would have had before. Including Pell Grants for education, including making sure that they’re able to have housing, Public Housing including they have all the opportunities that were available to them because we want them to become better citizens. That’s the essence of what my plan in detail lays out. I’m happy to discuss it more in detail if the Senator would want to. I looked at it. Anyway, that’s what I think my plan, I know what my plan does, and I think it’s not dissimilar to what the Senator said. We should be working together on getting things done.

0:52:35 Jake: Senator Booker, your response?

0:52:36 SB: Well, my response is that this is a crisis in our country because we have treated issues of race and poverty, mental health and addiction with locking people up and not lifting them up.


0:52:50 SB: And Mr. Vice President has said that since the 1970s, every major crime bill, every crime bill, major and minor has had his name on it. And so those are your words, not mine. And this is one of those instances where the house was set on fire and you claimed responsibility for those laws. And you can’t just now come out with a plan to put out that fire. We have got to have far more bold action on criminal justice reform.

0:53:21 Jake: Thank you, Senator Booker.

0:53:21 SB: Like having true marijuana justice. Which means…

0:53:24 Jake: Thank you, Senator Booker.

0:53:25 SB: That we legalize it on a federal level.


0:53:26 Jake: Thank you, Senator Booker.

0:53:27 SB: And re-invest the profits in communities…

0:53:29 Jake: Thank you, Senator Booker.

0:53:29 SB: That have been disproportionately targeted by marijuana enforcement.

0:53:32 Jake: Vice President Biden, I wanna give you a chance to respond.

0:53:35 VB: The fact is that the bills that the President that the, excuse me, the future President here that the Senator is talking about, are bills that were passed years ago and they were passed overwhelmingly. Since 2007, I, for example, tried to get the crack powder cocaine totally, disparity, totally eliminated. In 2007, you became Mayor and you had a police department that was… You went out and you hired Rudy Giuliani’s guy and engaged in stop and frisk, you had 75% of those stops reviewed as illegal, you found yourself in the situation with three times as many African Americas were caught in that chain and caught up. The Justice Department came after you for saying you were engaging in behavior that was inappropriate. And then in fact, and nothing happened the entire time you were Mayor.

0:54:23 Jake: Thank you. Senator Booker you wanna respond?

0:54:25 SB: Well, first of all, I’m grateful that he endorsed my presidency already. But I’ll tell you this, it’s no secret that I inherited a criminal, a police department with massive problems and decades long challenges. But the head of the ACLU has already said, the head of the New Jersey ACLU, that I put forth national standards to setting accountability.

0:54:45 VB: That’s not…

0:54:46 SB: Mr. Vice President, I didn’t interrupt you. Please show me that respect, sir.

0:54:47 VB: I’m sorry. I beg your pardon. I beg your pardon.

0:54:50 SB: We have a system right now that’s broken and if you wanna compare records, and frankly, I’m shocked that you do, I am happy to do that.


0:54:58 SB: Because all of the problems that he is talking about that he created, I actually led the bill that got passed into law, that reverses the damage that your bills that you were, frankly, to correct you, Mr. Vice President, you are bragging calling it, “The Biden Crime” bill up ’till 2015.

0:55:14 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Vice President Biden?


0:55:17 VB: Number one, the bill he talks about is a bill that in my, our administration, we passed. We passed that bill that you added on too. That’s the bill, in fact, you passed. And the fact of the matter is, secondly, there was nothing done for the entire eight years he was Mayor. There was nothing done to deal with the police department that was corrupt. Why did you announce in the first day, a zero tolerance policy of stop and frisk and hire Rudy Giuliani’s guy in 2007, when I was trying to get rid of the crack cocaine problem?

0:55:49 SB: Mr. Vice Present, there’s a saying in my community, you’re dipping into the Kool Aid, and you don’t even know the flavor.


0:55:54 SB: You need to come to the City of Newark and see the reforms that we put in place. The New Jersey head of the ACLU has said that I embraced reforms, not just in action but in deeds. Sir, you are trying to shift the view from what you created. There are people right now in prison for life for drug offenses because you stood up and used that tough on crime phony rhetoric that got a lot of people elected, but destroyed communities like mine. This isn’t about the past sir, this is about the present right now. I believe in redemption.

0:56:30 Jake: Thank you Senator.

0:56:30 SB: I’m happy you evolve…

0:56:32 Jake: I wanna bring in Secretary.

0:56:32 SB: But you offered no redemption to the people in prison right now.

0:56:35 Jake: I wanna bring in Secretary Castro. You’re response, sir?


0:56:37 SC: Yeah, I agree with Senator Booker that a lot of what Vice President helped author in ’94 was a mistake, and he has flip flopped on these things and that’s clear. But let me say, when we talk about criminal justice reform, there are a lot of things that we can talk about, sentencing reform, cash bill reform, investing in public defenders, diversion programs. I’m proud that I’m the only candidate that has put forward a police reform plan because we have a police system that is broken and we need to fix it.


0:57:08 SC: And whether it’s the case of someone like Tamir Rice, or Michael Brown, or Eric Garner, where the Trump Justice Department just decided not to pursue charges, we need to ensure we have a national use of force standard and that we end qualified immunity for police officers so that we can hold them accountable for using excessive force.


0:57:27 Jake: Thank you, Secretary Castro.

[overlapping conversation]

0:57:29 Jake: I wanna bring in Governor Inslee. Governor Inslee your response?

0:57:32 GI: Let me suggest that people come out to the State of Washington, and see what Criminal Justice Reform looks like, our effort to reduce racial disparity. I’m proud that I was the first Governor to offer pardons to thousands of people with drug crimes. Now we’re vacating more tens of thousands, we’ve eliminated the death penalty and importantly, we’ve done this when people come out of the legal system and they’ve done their responsibility to the citizens, we need to make sure they can get a job. We have Ban the Box so that people can actually get a job when they come out. And I’ve gotta argue with my friend, Secretary Castro, we haven’t just put forward a plan, we have adopted probably one of the best police accountability measures and trainer police officers in de-escalation techniques, so we have less violence.

0:58:21 Jake: Secretary… Secretary Castro, your response to Governor Inslee.

0:58:24 SC: Well, then it’s much more than that, because what we see, and this was a good example the other day of the Department of Justice not going after Officer Pantaleo, that Officer Pantaleo used a chokehold that was prohibited by NYPD. He did that for seven seconds. 11 different times Eric Garner said that he couldn’t breathe. He knew what he was doing, that he was killing Eric Garner, and yet he has not been brought to justice. That police officer should be off the street.


0:58:52 Jake: Mayor de Blasio… Mayor de Blasio, why is that police officer still on the force, the one who killed Eric Garner? Please respond.

0:59:04 MB: Let me tell you, I know the Garner family, they’ve gone through extraordinary pain. They are waiting for justice and are going to get justice, there’s finally going to be justice. I have confidence in that in the next 30 days in New York. You know why? Because for the first time we are not waiting on the Federal Justice Department which told the City of New York that we could not proceed because the Justice Department was pursuing their prosecution. And years went by, and a lot of pain accrued. And in the meantime, what I’m working on is making sure, and I have for five years, there will never be another tragedy, there’ll never be another Eric Garner because we’re changing fundamentally how we police it.

0:59:42 Jake: Thank you Mayor.

0:59:42 MB: But there’s one last point I have to say about the Justice Department. The Vice President, for two-and-a-half of those years, Mr. Vice President, tell us what did you do to try and spur on the Justice Department to act in the Garner case?

0:59:56 Jake: Thank you, thank you Mayor… Thank you, Mayor de Blasio. Vice President Biden, you can respond to that.

1:00:00 VB: We did a lot. Number one, we made sure we reduced the federal prison population by 38,000 people, number one. Number two, we in fact insisted that we change the rules that police engage in. They had to have… We provided for body cameras. We made sure that there were a lot of things that were changed in the process, but 38,000 people in the federal system were released under the system. And so the fact is that there’s a lot we’ve done. But here’s the deal. The fact is that we’re talking about things that occurred a long, long time ago, and now, all of a sudden, I find it fascinating. Everybody’s talking about how terrible I am on these issues. Barack Obama knew exactly who I was. He had… He had 10 lawyers do a background check in everything about me in civil rights and civil liberties, and he chose me and he said it was the best decision he made. I take his judgement.

1:00:47 Jake: Thank you Mr Vice President. Mr. Yang, your response.

1:00:52 AY: I speak for just about everyone watching when I say I would trust anyone on this stage much more than I would trust our current president on matters of criminal justice. We cannot tear each other down. We have to focus on beating Donald Trump in 2020. I wanna share a story that a prison guard, a corrections officer in New Hampshire said to me. He said we should pay people to stay out of jail because we spend so much when they’re behind bars. Right now we think we’re saving money. We just end up spending the money in much more dark and punitive ways. We should put money directly into people’s hands certainly when they come out of prison, but before they go to prison.

1:01:25 Jake: Thank you, Mr. Yang. I wanna bring in Senator Gillibrand. You heard earlier Mayor de Blasio respond to Secretary Castro on the question of why the police officer who killed Eric Garner is still on the NYPD. Was that response adequate? Please respond.

1:01:40 SG: No. He should be fired. He should be fired now.


1:01:47 SG: I sat… I sat down with Eric Garner’s mother, and I can tell you when you’ve lost your son, when he begged for breath, when you know because you have a video, when you know he said, “I can’t breathe,” so many times over and over again, when you know he used an illegal chokehold, that person should be fired, and as… As I was… If I was the Mayor I’d fire him, but as President I would make sure that we had a full investigation, that the report would be made public, and if I wasn’t satisfied, we would have a consent decree.

1:02:17 Jake: I wanna bring in Senator Harris now. Senator Harris, you have also been quite critical of Vice President… Vice President Biden’s policies on race, specifically on the issue of busing in the 1970s, having benefited from busing when you were a young child. Vice President Biden says that your current position on busing, you’re opposed to federally mandated busing, that that position is the same as his position. Is he right?

1:02:46 SH: That is simply false. And let’s be very clear about this. When Vice President Biden was in the United States Senate, working with segregationist to oppose busing, which was the vehicle by which we would integrate America’s public schools, had I been in the United States Senate at that time, I would have been completely on the other side of the aisle. And let’s be clear about this. Had those segregationist their way, I would not be a member of the United States Senate, Cory Booker would not be a member of the United States Senate, and Barack Obama would not have been in a position to nominate him to the title he now holds. And so on that issue we could not be more apart, which is that the Vice President has still failed to acknowledge that it was wrong to take the position that he took at that time. Now I would like to also talk about this conversation about Eric Garner because I too met with his mother. And one of the things that we’ve gotta be clear about is that this President of the United States, Donald Trump, while he has been in office has quietly been allowing the United States Department of Justice to shut down consent decrees, to stop pattern and practice investigations. On that case we also know that the Civil Rights Division…

1:03:58 Jake: Thank you, Senator.

1:03:58 SH: This is important. The Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice said charges should have been filed, but this United States Department of Justice you served, and I believe it is because that President did not want those charges to go forward, and they overrode a decision by the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice. Under my administration, the Civil Rights Division will reign and there will be independent investigations.

1:04:16 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator. Vice President Biden, Vice president Biden, I wanna give you a chance to respond to what Senator Harris just said.

1:04:25 VB: When Senator Harris was the Attorney General for eight years in the state of California, there were two of the most segregated school districts in the country, in Los Angeles and in San Francisco. And she did not… I didn’t see a single solitary time she brought a case against them to desegregate them. Secondly, she also was in a situation where she had a police department when she was there that in fact was abusing people’s rights. And the fact was that she, in fact, was told by her own people, that her own staff, that she should do something about and disclose to defense attorneys like me, that you, in fact, have been… The police officer did something that did not give you the information that would expropriate your client. She didn’t do that, she never did it. And so what happened? Along came a federal judge and said, “Enough, enough,” and he freed a thousand of these people.

1:05:18 Jake: Thank you.

1:05:18 VB: If you doubt me, Google “1000 prisoners freed, Kamala Harris”

1:05:22 Jake: Thank you, Vice President Biden. And Senator Harris, your response?

1:05:26 SH: That is simply not true. And as Attorney General of California, where I ran the second largest Department of Justice in the United States, second only to the United States Department of Justice, I am proud of the work we did, work that has received national recognition for what has been the important work of reforming a criminal justice system and cleaning up the consequences of the bills that you passed when you were in the United States Senate for decades. It was the work of creating one of the first in the nation initiatives around re-entering former offenders and getting them jobs and counselling.

1:06:00 Jake: Thank you, Senator.

1:06:00 SH: I did the work as Attorney General of putting body cameras on special agents in the state of California and I’m proud of that work.

1:06:05 Jake: I wanna bring in Congresswoman Gabbard. Congresswoman Gabbard, you took issue with Senator Harris confronting Vice President Biden at the last debate. You called it a, “False accusation that Joe Biden is a racist.” What’s your response?

1:06:17 CG: I wanna bring the conversation back to the broken criminal justice system that is disproportionately, negatively impacting black and brown people all across this country today. Now Senator Harris says she’s proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she’ll be a prosecutor president but I’m deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples to cite but she put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana violations, and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of California, and she fought to keep cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way.

1:07:07 Jake: Thank you, Congresswoman. Senator Harris, your response?

1:07:13 SH: As the elected Attorney General of California, I did the work of significantly reforming the criminal justice system of a state of 40 million people which became a national model for the work that needs to be done, and I am proud of that work. And I am proud of making a decision to not just give fancy speeches or be in a legislative body and give speeches on the floor but actually doing the work of being in the position to use the power that I had to reform a system that is badly in need of reform. That is why we created initiatives that were about re-entering former offenders and getting them counselling. It is why and because I know that criminal justice system is so broken, that I am an advocate for what we need to do…

1:07:53 Jake: Thank you, Senator, your time is up.

1:07:54 SH: To not only decriminalize, but legalize marijuana in the United States.

1:07:57 Jake: I wanna bring Congresswoman Gabbard back in. Your response?

1:08:00 CG: The bottom line is, Senator Harris, when you were in a position to make a difference and an impact in these people’s lives, you did not. And worse yet, in the case of those who were on death row, innocent people, you actually blocked evidence from being revealed that would have freed them until you were forced to do so. There is no excuse for that. And the people who suffered under your reign as prosecutor, you owe them an apology.

1:08:25 Jake: Senator Harris?

1:08:29 SH: My entire career I have been opposed, personally opposed, to the death penalty and that has never changed. And I dare anybody who is in a position to make that decision, to face the people I have faced to say, “I will not seek the death penalty.” That is my background, that is my work. I am proud of it. I think you can judge people by when they are under fire and it’s not about some fancy opinion on a stage but when they’re in the position to actually make a decision, what do they do? When I was in the position of having to decide whether or not to seek a death penalty on cases I prosecuted, I made a very difficult decision that was not popular to not seek the death penalty. History shows that and I am proud of those decisions.

1:09:09 Don: Senator Harris, thank you very much. Senator Bennet, a question for you. Why are you the best candidate to heal the racial divide that exists in this country today? Which has been stoked by the President’s racist rhetoric.

1:09:20 SB: Yeah. First of all, the President’s racist rhetoric should be enough grounds for everybody in this country to vote him out of office. That one thing alone should be enough. Second, Don, I wanna answer your question by tagging on the conversation we were just having. This is the fourth debate that we have had and the second time that we have been debating what people did 50 years ago with busing when our schools are as segregated today as they were 50 years ago. We need a conversation about what’s happening now.


1:09:55 SB: And when there’s a group of kids in this country that don’t get preschool through no fault of their own and another group does, equal is not equal. And we’ve got a group of K-12 schools that are good because families can spend a million bucks and you’ve got the Detroit public schools that are as segregated as they were, equal is not equal.


1:10:17 SB: And let me tell you something else, Don, I believe you can draw a straight line from slavery through Jim Crow through the banking and the redlining to the mass incarceration that we were talking about on this stage a few minutes ago but you know what other line I can draw? 88% of the people in our prisons dropped out of high school. Let’s fix our school system and maybe we could fix the prison pipeline that we have.

1:10:46 Don: Thank you, Senator Bennet. Governor Inslee, what’s your response? Governor Inslee, please respond.

1:10:55 GI: I approach this question with humility because I have not experienced what many Americans have. I’ve never been a black teenager pulled over in a white neighborhood. I’ve never been a woman talked over in a meeting, I’ve never been an LGBTQ member subject to a slur. And so I have believed I have an added responsibility, a double responsibility to deal with racial disparity and we’ve talked on the way we do it, including ending the school-to-prison pipeline in my state.

1:11:29 GI: But I wanna say this, and this is a common error that every single senator on this stage as much as I respect them all, they all have an enormous error which is going to prevent our party for making any progressive progress in the United States, and it is this: We are all gonna work for the Dickens to get more Democrats elected to the Senate, we are going to do that and I hope we’re gonna succeed, but if we get a majority in the US senate, because of the position of these senators, not a damn thing is gonna get done, and I’ll tell you why. With all their good intentions, and I know they’re very sincere and passionate, and I respect them enormously, but because they embraced this antediluvian, a super majority thing called the filibuster, Mitch McConnell is gonna run the US Senate even if we take the majority. We gotta get rid of the filibusters so we can progress the United States.

1:12:28 Don: Thank you, Governor. Mr. Yang, why are you the best candidate to heal the racial divide in America? Your response?

1:12:33 AY: I spent seven years running a non-profit that helped create thousands of jobs including hundreds right here in Detroit as well as Baltimore, Cleveland, New Orleans and I saw that the racial disparities are much, much worse than I’d ever imagined. They’re even worse, still a study just came out that projected the average African American median net worth will be zero by 2053. So you have to ask yourself, how is that possible? It’s possible because we’re in the midst of the greatest economic transformation in our history, artificial intelligence is coming, it’s going to displace hundreds of thousands of call center workers, truck driver is the most common job in 29 states including this one. And you know who suffers most in a natural disaster, it’s people of color, people who have lower levels of capital and education and resources. So what are we gonna do about it? We should just go back to the writings of Martin Luther King who in 1967, his book, “Chaos or Community” said, “We need a guaranteed minimum income in the United States of America.” That is the most effective way for us to address racial inequality in a genuine way and give every American a chance to the 21st century economy.

1:13:35 Don: Mr. Yang thank you very much. Secretary Castro, after the president’s racist tweets attacking Baltimore and Congressman Elijah Cummings, the Mayor of Baltimore slammed the tweets and said to the president, and I quote here, “Help us. Send the resources that we need to rebuild America.” So what would you do for Baltimore and other cities that need help?

1:13:56 SC: First of all, the President is a racist, and that was just one more example of it.


1:14:02 SC: We know that whether it’s Baltimore or cities like Detroit, they’re tremendously rich in history and culture and also in possibility. Here’s what I would do if I’m president. Number one, I would invest in tremendous educational opportunity, invest in universal pre-K for three and four-year-olds, invest in improving K-12 education and also making higher education available to everyone through tuition-free public state universities, community colleges and job training and certification programs. I would follow up on the work that I did at HUD, we passed the most sweeping rule to further desegregate our communities in the United States. This Trump administration set that back, I would put that back in order. I would also invest in housing that is affordable, because folks know that the rent is going through the roof, and we need to make sure that you don’t have to get out of West Baltimore or inner city Detroit, or the west side of St. Antonio or anywhere if you wanna reach your American dream. I want you to be able to accomplish it in your great neighborhood, where you are.

1:15:02 Don: Thank you, Secretary Castro, Senator Gillibrand, what’s your response?

1:15:06 SG: So I don’t believe that it’s the responsibility of Cory and Kamala to be the only voice that takes all these issues of institutional racism, systemic racism in our country. I think as a white woman of privilege who is a US senator running for President of United States, it is also my responsibility to lift off those voices that aren’t being listened to. And I can talk to those white women in the suburbs that voted for Trump and explain to them what white privilege actually is, that when their son is walking down a street with a bag of M&Ms in his pocket wearing a hoodie, his whiteness is what protects him from not being shot.


1:15:46 SG: When their child has a car that breaks down, and he knocks on someone’s door for help and the door opens and the help is given, it’s his whiteness that protects him from being shot. That is what white privilege in America is today. And so my responsibility is to not only lift up those stories, but explain to communities across America like I did in Youngstown, Ohio to a young mother, that this is all of our responsibilities and that together we can make our community stronger.

1:16:13 Dana: Thank you Senator, Gillibrand.


1:16:15 Dana: Let’s now turn to the issue of the climate crisis. The United Nations says, “The world needs to cut all carbon emissions by 2050 or risk facing disastrous consequences.” Governor Inslee, many of your fellow Democratic candidates say climate change is the biggest existential threat facing the country. You though, are calling it the number one priority in your campaign, what do you know that the others don’t?

1:16:42 GI: Well, I know the first hand terrific impact of climate change on Americans across the country already. The family who I saw with their aluminum home now, just a pile of molten aluminum, they lost everything in the paradise of fires, the non-profit in Davenport, Iowa that was washed away in the floods, we have to act now. Look, climate change is not a singular issue, it is all the issues that we democrats care about. It is health, it is national security, it is our economy. And we know this, middle ground solutions like the Vice President has proposed, or middling average-size things are not gonna save us. Too little, too late is too dangerous. And we have to have a bold plan and mine has been called, The Gold Standard. Now, we also need to embed environmental justice. I was in zip code 48217, in the Detroit neighborhood the other day.


1:17:48 GI: Right next to an oil refinery where the kids have asthma and they have cancer clusters. And after talking to these folks, I believe this, I believe this, it doesn’t matter where your zip code is…

1:17:57 Dana: Thank you, Governor.

1:17:58 GI: It doesn’t matter what your color is, you ought to have clean air and clean water in America, that’s what I believe.

1:18:00 Dana: Thank you, Governor. Vice President Biden, I’d like to get you to respond. Governor Inslee just said that your plan is middling.

1:18:08 VB: There’s no middle ground about my plan. The fact of the matter is, I call for the immediate action to be taken. First of all, one of the things that… We’re responsible for 15% of all the pollution in the country. He’s right about how it affects people and it affects neighborhoods, particularly poor neighborhoods. But here’s the deal, in that area, there’s also another piece, 85% of it is something I helped negotiate. And that is the Paris Climate Accord. I would immediately re-join that Paris Accord. I would make sure that we up the ante which it calls for. I would be able to bring those leaders together, who I know… I’d convene them in the White House, like we did in Nuclear Summit and I would raise the standard.

1:18:45 Dana: Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

1:18:46 VB: I also invest $400 billion…

1:18:48 Dana: Thank you, sir.

1:18:48 VB: In research for new alternatives to deal with climate change…

1:18:53 Dana: Mr. Yang your response.

1:18:53 VB: And that’s bigger than any other person.


1:18:57 AY: The important number in Vice President Biden’s remarks, just now, is that the United State is only 15% of global emissions. We like to act as if we’re 100%. But the truth is, even if we were to curb our missions dramatically, the earth is still going to get warmer and we can see it around us this summer. The last four years have been the four warmest years in recorded history. This is going to be a tough truth, but we are too late, we are 10 years too late. We need to do everything we can to start moving the climate in the right direction but we also need to start moving our people to higher ground. And the best way to do that is to put economic resources into your hands so you can protect yourself and your families.

1:19:32 GI: I was challenged by the Vice President…

1:19:32 Dana: Thank you, Senator.

1:19:33 GI: May I be heard on this for a moment?

1:19:35 Dana: Go ahead, Governor.

1:19:35 GI: Thank you very much. Look, we have these deadlines are set by science. Mr. Vice President, your argument is not with me, it’s with science. And unfortunately, your plan is just too late. The science tell us we have to get off coal in 10 years.

1:19:50 VB: Yes.

1:19:50 GI: Your plan does not do that. We have to have off of fossil fuels and electrical grid in 15. Your plan simply does not do that. I’ve heard you say that we need a realistic plan. Here’s what I believe.

1:20:01 VB: No, I didn’t say that.

1:20:02 GI: Here’s what I believe. I believe that survival is realistic and that’s the plan we need. And that’s the kind I have.

1:20:09 VB: My plan calls for 500,000 charging stations around the country. So by 2030, we’re all electric vehicles. My plan calls for making sure that we have $400 Billion invested in technology to learn how to contain what we’re doing, creating 10 million new jobs. We will double off shore wind, we will end any subsidies for coal or any other fossil fuel, but we have to also engage the world while we’re doing it. We have to walk and chew gum at the same time.


1:20:41 Dana: Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Just to clarify, would there be any place for fossil fuels including coal and fracking in a Biden administration?

1:20:51 VB: No, we would work it out. We would make sure it’s eliminated and no more subsidies, for either one of those, either any fossil fuel.

1:21:00 Dana: Thank you. Thank you sir.

1:21:00 GI: We cannot work it out. We cannot work this out. The time is up, our house is on fire. We have to stop using coal in 10 years. And we need a president to do it or it won’t get done. Get off coal, save this country and the planet. That’s what I’m for.

1:21:15 Dana: Senator Harris, your response?

1:21:18 SH: I have to agree with Governor Inslee. And I’m gonna just paraphrase one of your great sayings, Governor, which is we currently have a president in the White House who obviously does not understand the science. He’s been pushing science fiction instead of science fact. The guy thinks that wind turbines cause cancer, but when in fact they causes jobs and the reality is that I would take any democrat on this stage over the current President of the United States who was rolling it back to our collective peril. We must have and adopt a Green New Deal. On day one as president…

1:21:49 Dana: Thank you.

1:21:50 SH: I would re-enter us in the Paris Agreement…

1:21:51 Dana: Thank you, Senator.

1:21:52 SH: And put in place so we would be carbon neutral by 2030.

1:21:55 Dana: Thank you, Senator. I wanna talk about that with Senator Gillibrand. You are a cosponsor of the Green New Deal which includes the guarantee of a job with medical leave, paid vacations and retirement security for everyone in America. Explain how that’s realistic.

1:22:11 SG: So, the first thing that I’m gonna do when I’m president is I’m gonna Clorox the Oval Office.



1:22:17 SG: The second thing I’m going to do is, I will re-engage on global climate change. And I will not only sign the Paris Global Climate accords but I will lead a worldwide conversation about the urgency of this crisis. The greatest threat to humanity is global climate change. I visited a family in Iowa, who water spewed into her home, Fran Par, it tossed her refrigerator upend, all the furniture was broken, all the dishes were broken and mud was everywhere. That is the impact of severe weather right now on families’ lives. And so the truth is, we need a robust solution. When John F. Kennedy said, “I wanna put a man on the moon in the next 10 years,” not because it’s easy but because it’s hard. He knew it was going to be a measure of our innovation, our success, our ability to galvanize worldwide competition. He wanted to have a space race with Russia. Why not have a green energy race with China? Why not have clean air and clean water for all Americans?


1:23:17 SG: Why not rebuild our infrastructure? Why not actually invest in the Green jobs, that’s what the Green New Deal’s about.

1:23:24 Dana: Thank you.

1:23:24 SG: Not only will I pass it but I will put a price on carbon to make market forces help us.

1:23:28 Dana: Thank you, Senator. Congresswoman Gabbard, you are not a cosponsor of the Green New Deal. Please respond.

1:23:34 CG: First of all this is personal. You can imagine I grew up in Hawaii which is the most remote island chain in the world, so for us growing up there protecting our environment was not a political issue it’s a way of life, it’s part of our culture, it’s part of who we are. This is why as a member of Congress long before there was ever a Green New Deal I introduced the most ambitious climate change legislation ever in Congress called the Off Fossil Fuels Act that actually laid out an actionable plan to take us from where we are today to transition off of fossil fuels and invest in green renewable energy, invest in workforce training, invest in the kinds of infrastructure that we need to deal with the problems and the challenges that climate is posing to us today.

1:24:18 Dana: Thank you, Congresswoman. Senator Booker, what’s your response is the job guarantee in the Green New Deal realistic?

1:24:25 SB: I just wanna take first of all a step back and say that I agree whole heartedly with Governor Inslee it’s one of the reasons why Greenpeace ranks me and him at the top of this entire field of the candidates on climate…

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1:24:36 GI: You’re second Cory, that’s close. You’re second but close, just close.


1:24:40 SB: I wanna say very clearly… Thank you man, thank you, I’ll try harder. Look, the reason why is because first of all this problem didn’t start yesterday, science didn’t become a reality yesterday, this has been going on for years. There was another president that would not join an international accord, then it was the Kyoto accord, I was mayor then and I stood up at national leadership joining with other mayors to say climate change is not a separate issue, it must be the issue in the lens we should review every issue, nobody should get applause for risk warning the Paris Climate accords, that is kindergarten. We have to go to far advance and make sure that everything from our trade deals, everything from the billions of dollars we spend to foreign aid, everything must be sublimated to the challenge and the crisis that is existential which is dealing with the climate threat and yes, the majority of this problem is outside the United States but the only way we’re gonna deal with this is that United States leads.

1:25:38 Dana: Thank you. Senator Mayor De Blasio, your administration has come under fire after hundreds of children living in New York City Public Housing tested positive for elevated levels of lead, as you know we’re not far from Flint, Michigan where residents are still dealing with the consequences of having lead in their drinking water, how can you assure the people of Flint and across the nation that you are the right person to handle such a problem?

1:26:05 MB: We have a huge problem and it’s decades old in New York but here’s what we’ve done about it. We’ve declared the eradication of all lead literally ending the notion of lead poisoning once and for all as the goal of our administration and we’re doing something about it, lead poisoning has gone down 90% since 2005, and we’re going to literally bring it down to zero because we’re going to go into every place, buildings, schools, public housing and take out that lead, remediate that lead once and for all, that needs to be done all over this country. Now the federal government used to not take any responsibility for our public housing, for decades they’ve been dis-investing in the public housing and it was supposed to be a federal responsibility, that’s part of why we have this lead crisis to begin with but I’ll tell you what you do when you’re actually in charge of something. I’m in charge of the largest city in this nation, you do not accept the status quo, you fix it and so we are going into every one of those apartments to make sure those children and those families are safe and then we are gonna eradicate that lead once and for all and there should be a federal mandate to do the same for Flint, for Detroit, for every place in this country and it can be done.

1:27:14 Dana: Thank you Mr. Mayor. Secretary Castro, why are you the right candidate to solve this problem? Please respond.

1:27:19 SC: Well, because people don’t have to wonder what I would do I’ve actually done it. I was Secretary of Housing and Urban Development when Flint had it’s water crisis, I went to Flint we did what we could to help folks get our water filters and then we didn’t stop there we improved the standard of how we deal with elevated blood lead levels in children, a lot of Americans don’t know that this is still a major problem out there. I was back in Flint about six weeks ago and I released a plan to invest $50 billion so that we remove lead as a major public health threat, we need to do it, we can do it and I will do it.

1:27:53 Jake: Thank you Secretary Castro. Donald Trump won independence here in Michigan by 16 percentage points which was critical to Donald Trump winning the states 16 electoral votes now there is a big debate within the Democratic Party here and around the country about the best way the Democrats can win back Michigan. Vice President Biden, last night on this stage Senator Elizabeth Warren said, “We’re not going to solve the urgent problems that we face with small ideas and spinelessness, we’re going to solve them by being the Democratic Party of big structural change.” What do you say to progressives who worry that your proposals are not ambitious enough to energize the progressive wing of your party which you will need to beat Donald Trump?

1:28:37 VB: Because we did it. I was asked to manage an $87 billion plan to be spent in a total of 18 months that revived this state and many others because it kept us out of a depression with two tenths of 1% of waste to fraud. Secondly I was part of the organization and within our administration that pushed bailing General Motors out saving tens of thousands of jobs here in this state.


1:29:07 VB: Number three, number three I also was asked as the Mayor of Detroit can tell you by the President United States to help Detroit get out of bankruptcy and get back on its feet. I spent better part of two years out here working to make sure that it did exactly that. We invested significantly in this city on transportation, only 20… Anyway, the point is we made significant investments in this state I expect in this city, and I expect that’s why the mayor endorsement and then endorse the senate.

1:29:37 Jake: Thank you, Vice President Biden. Senator Gillibrand what’s your response?

1:29:41 SG: To the people of Michigan, I know exactly how I beat President Trump. I’ve already done it. I took a bus tour to talk about Trump’s broken promises here in Michigan. He promised no bad trade deals, not only did he not have bad trade deals, he started a trade war with China, and he just signed on to another bad trade agreement with NAFTA 2.0, a give-away to drug companies in Mexico. I took the bus to Michigan to Ohio and to Pennsylvania. Telling people that he has broken his promises to them. I lifted up their voices, I listened to their concerns and I offered real solutions. And I’ve done this before. My first house district I ran in was a two-to-one Republican district. I won it twice and I haven’t lost an election sense so I can bring people together and red, purple, and blue areas.

1:30:27 Jake: Thank you, Senator Gillibrand.

1:30:28 SG: But more than that, I can get things done.

1:30:30 Jake: Mr. Yang in poll after poll democratic voter is saying that having a nominee who can beat President Trump is more important to them than having a nominee who agrees with them on major issues. And right now, according to polls, they say the candidate who has the best chance of doing that, of beating President Trump is Vice President by Biden. Why are they wrong?

1:30:51 AY: Well, I’m building a coalition of disaffected Trump voters independence, libertarians, and conservatives as well as democrats and progressives. I believe I’m the candidate best suited to beat Donald Trump. And as for how to win in Michigan, and Ohio, and Pennsylvania the problem is that so many people feel like the economy has left them behind. What we have to do is we have to say, “Look there’s record high GDP and stock market prices. You know what else also record highest? Suicides, drug overdoses, depression, anxiety.” It’s gotten so bad that American life expectancy has declined for the last three years. And I like to talk about my wife who’s at home with our two boys right now. One of whom is autistic, what does her work count at in today’s economy? Zero, and we know that’s the opposite of the truth. We know that her work is among the most challenging and vital. The way we win this election is we redefine economic progress to include all the things that matter to the people in Michigan and all of us. Like our own health, our well-being, our mental health, our clean air, and clean water. How our kids are doing. If we change the measurements to the 21st century economy the world evolve around our own well-being then we will win this election.

1:31:52 Dana: Thank you Mr. Yang. Congresswoman Gabbard, your response?


1:32:01 CG: Donald Trump won this election because far too many people in this country felt like they’ve been left behind by both political parties. By self-serving politicians on both sides who are more interested in partisan politics and they aren’t actually fighting for the people. I’m speaking the truth to people all across this country about the fact that people in Flint, Michigan are still being left behind still being poisoned by the water in their system because every single month we are spending $4 billion on a continuing war in Afghanistan. $4 billion every single month, rather than ending that war bringing our troops home. And using those precious resources into serving the needs of the people here in this country.

1:32:44 Jake: Thank you, congresswoman.

1:32:44 CG: People in communities like Flint. That’s the kind of leadership that I’ll bring.

1:32:47 Jake: Thank you, Congresswoman. Senator Booker, your response?

1:32:49 SB: I’m grateful, Jake. Look, this is one of those times where we’re not staring at the truth and calling it out. And then this is a case for the Democratic Party the truth will set us free. We lost the state of Michigan because everybody from Republicans to Russians were targeting the suppression of African-American voters.


1:33:11 SB: We need to say that. If the African-American vote in this state, had been like it was four years earlier, we would have won the state of Michigan. We need to have a campaign that is ready for what’s coming. And all out of salt especially on the most valuable voter group, in fact the highest performing voter group in our coalition, which is black women. And so, I will be a person who tries to fight against border suppression that could activate engaged kind of voters and coalitions are gonna win states like Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

1:33:42 Jake: Thank you. Senator Harris?

1:33:45 SH: First of all, Donald Trump came in making a whole lot of promises to working people that he did not keep. He said he was gonna help farmers, he said he was gonna help auto workers. Farmers are now looking at bankruptcy soya beans rotting in bills. Auto workers we expect perhaps hundreds of thousands will be out of jobs by the end of the year. Jerome Powell just dropped the interest rates and he admitted why. Because of this so-called trade policy that this president has that has been nothing more than the Trump trade tax that has resulted in American family spending as much as $1.4 billion more a month on everything from shampoo to washing machines. He betrayed the American people, he betrayed American families. And he will lose this election because folks are clear that he has done nothing except try to beat people down instead of lift people up, and that’s what we want in the next President of the United States.

1:34:36 Jake: Thank you Senator Harris. The debate is back right after this short break.



1:34:54 Dana: And we’re back with the CNN Democratic Presidential Debate. I wanna turn now to the economy. Secretary Castro, this was for you. Wage growth is up, stocks are rising, unemployment is near-historic lows, including for Latinos and African-Americans. You have all outlined plans, but in particular that could end up raising taxes. How can you guarantee that won’t hurt the economy?

1:35:21 SC: Well first of all, there are a lot of Americans right now that are hurting. Just go and ask the folks that just receive notice that they’re gonna get laid off by General Motors. Ask the many folks who are sleeping on the streets in big cities and small towns across the United States. Ask fast food workers that I joined a couple of weeks ago that are working for minimum wage, and can’t provide for their families or pay the rent. So the idea that America is doing just fine is wrong. Not only that, this president always likes to take credit like he did this. We’ve now had about 105 straight months of positive job growth. The longest streak in American history. Over 80 months of that was due to President Barack Obama. Thank you, Barack Obama.


1:36:08 SC: Thank you, Barack Obama.

1:36:11 SC: I believe that we need to invest in what will ensure that Americans can prosper in the years to come, making sure they have the knowledge and skills to compete in the 21st century economy, ensuring that they can afford the rent where they live, and that they have healthcare, so that they don’t have to worry about going homeless because they can’t afford a medical procedure.

1:36:32 Dana: Thank you, Secretary Castro. I wanna turn now to a question about trade, and for Congresswoman Gabbard. Many saw the Trans-Pacific Partnership issue as something that would be a critical tool to deal with the rise of China. You were against it. How would you ensure that the United States is able to remain competitive against China on the world stage?

1:36:55 CG: By pushing for fair trade. Not trade deals that give away the sovereignty of the American people, and our country, that give away American jobs, and that threaten our environment. These were the three main issues with that massive trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership. And the central one was the fact that it gave away our sovereignty to a panel of international corporations whose rulings would supersede any domestic law that we would pass, either a federal law, or a state, or a local law. This is extremely dangerous, and goes against the very values that we have as a country. What to speak of the fact that it would have a negative impact on domestic jobs, and that it lacked clear protections for our environment. These are the things that we have to keep at the forefront as we look to enact fair trade deals with other countries to make sure that we continue to be a thriving part of our global economy.

1:37:48 Dana: So to be clear, Congresswoman, would do keep President Trump’s tariffs on China in place?

1:37:53 CG: I would not, because the approach that President Trump has taken has been extremely volatile, without any clear strategic plan. It has a ravaging and devastating effect on our domestic manufacturers, on our farmers, who are already struggling and now failing to see the light of day because of the plan that Trump has taken.

1:38:13 Dana: Vice President Biden, would you rejoin the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which of course, the President Trump withdrew from. Please respond.

1:38:20 VB: I’d renegotiate it. We make up 25% of the world’s economy. Either China is gonna write the rules of the road for the 21st century on trade or we are. We have to join with the 40% of the world that we had with us, and this time make sure that there’s no one sitting at that table doing the deal unless environmentalists are there, and labor is there. And to make sure we equip our workers first to compete by investing in them now, and the things to make them more competitive. That’s what we have to do. Otherwise, they are gonna write the rules of the road. We must have the rest of the world join us to keep that in check from abusing.

1:38:58 Dana: Thank you. Vice-President Biden, just to be clear, would you or would you not rejoin the TPP, yes or no?

1:39:04 VB: I would not rejoin the TPP as it was initially put forward. I would insist that we re-negotiate pieces of that with the Pacific nations that we had in South America and North America, so that we could bring them together to hold China accountable for the rules, of us setting the rules of the road as to how trade should be conducted. Otherwise, they’re gonna do exactly what they’re doing, fill the vacuum, and run the table.

1:39:30 Dana: Thank you, sir. Mayor de Blasio, you also opposed the deal. Please respond.

1:39:34 MB: Yeah, and I would just wanna ask this question to all the candidates, but particularly to Vice President Biden. President Trump is trying to sell NAFTA 2.0. He’s got a new name for it. It’s just as dangerous as the old NAFTA. It’s gonna take away American jobs like the old NAFTA, like it did to Michigan. And we cannot have Democrats be party to a new NAFTA. So Vice President, I believe, you’re the only person on the stage, who voted for the original NAFTA. Are you ready to say here and now, that you oppose a new NAFTA. And that what you will believe in, to a lot of us hope for, is trade treaties that empower organized labor across the boundaries of the world, and give working people power again. Not just local national corporations.

1:40:12 Dana: Mr. Vice President.

1:40:14 VB: Yes.

1:40:15 Dana: Your response. Your response, sir.


1:40:18 VB: Yes.

1:40:18 Dana: That’s it?

1:40:19 VB: No, he said, would I insist that labor be engaged. The answer is, yes.

1:40:25 MB: I consider that a victory. [chuckle]

1:40:27 VB: Well, I love your affection for me. You’ve spent a lot of time with me.

1:40:32 MB: You know what? We believe in redemption, Joe. We believe in redemption in this party.

1:40:38 VB: Well, I tell you what? I hope you’re part of it.

1:40:41 Dana: Okay. I’m gonna ask a question of Senator Bennet now. Senator, CNN reached out to Michigan Democratic primary voters for their most pressing question. Faris from Flint, Michigan has this question. “Here in Detroit, our economy has seen firsthand how technology and automation can displace workers, and create uncertainty around human job security. How would you balance these disruptions created by technology with the beneficial impact of technology on our economy.”

1:41:09 SB: Dana, this goes to the last question you asked as well, which is how are we gonna remain competitive? It’s not just about trade, which we were talking about earlier. It’s about whether we’re gonna invest in this country anymore. Since 2001, we have cut $5 trillion worth of taxes. Almost all of that has gone to the wealthiest people in America. We have made the income inequality worse, not better through the policies of the federal government. We spend $5.6 trillion in the Middle East. That’s 12 or $13 trillion that from the point of view of driving the economy in Michigan, or anywhere else in America, we might as well just have lit that money on fire. We’ve gotta stop doing that, and we need to invest in America, again. For the money that we spent that I just described, we could have fixed every road and bridge in this country. We could have fixed every airport that needs to be fixed. We could have fixed not just Flint, but every water system in this country.

1:42:12 Dana: Thank you.

1:42:14 SB: We could have made Social Security solvent for my children.

1:42:18 Dana: Thank you, senator.

1:42:18 SB: But we did none of it because of self-serving politicians in Washington, DC, who voted for deals that were good for them.

1:42:25 Dana: Senator Bennet, thank you very much.

1:42:26 SB: But not for Michigan or the American people.

1:42:27 Dana: Your time is up, sir.

1:42:28 SB: Thank you.

1:42:31 Dana: Mr. Yang, women on average earn 80 cents, about 80 cents for every dollar earned by men. Senator Harris, wants to fine companies that don’t close their gender pay gaps. As an entrepreneur, do you think a stiff fine will change how companies pay their female employees?

1:42:51 AY: I have seen first hand the inequities in the business world, where women are concerned, particularly in startups and entrepreneurship. We have to do more at every step. And if you are a woman entrepreneur the obstacles start, not just at home but then when you seek a mentor or an investor often they don’t look like you and they might not think your idea is the right one. In order to give women a leg up, what we have to do is we have to think about women in every situation including the ones who are in exploitative and abusive jobs and relationships around the country. I’m talking about the waitress who’s getting harassed by her boss at the diner, who might have a business idea but right now is stuck where she is. What we have to do, is we have to give women the economic freedom to be able to improve their own situations and start businesses, and the best way to do this is by putting a dividend of $1000 a month into their hands. It would be a game changer for women around the country because we know that women do more of the unrecognized and uncompensated work in our society. It will not change unless we change it. And I say that’s just what we do.


1:43:50 Dana: Senator Harris your response.

1:43:54 SH: I think that’s support of my proposal, which is this, since 1963 when we passed the Equal Pay Act, we have been talking about the fact women are not paid equally for equal work. Fast forward to the year of our Lord, 2019, and women are paid 80 cents on the dollar, black women 61 cents, Native-American women 58 cents, Latinas 53 cents. I’m done with the conversation. So yes, I am proposing in order to deal with this, one I’m gonna require corporations to post on their website whether they are paying women equally for equal work. Two, they will be fined for every 1% differential between what they’re paying men and women, they will be fined 1% of their previous years profits. That’ll get everybody’s attention.


1:44:36 Dana: Thank you senator.

1:44:36 SH: Time for action.

1:44:40 Dana: Senator Gillibrand what’s your response? Will fining companies help solve the problem?

1:44:46 SG: I think we have to have a broader conversation about whether we value women and whether we wanna make sure women have every opportunity in the workplace. And I wanna address Vice President Biden directly. When the Senate was debating middle class affordability for child care he wrote an op-ed. He voted against it. The only vote. He wrote an op-ed… Was that he believed that women working outside the home would quote, “Create the deterioration of family.” He also said that women who were working outside the home were quote, “Avoiding responsibility.” And I just need to understand as a woman who’s worked my entire career as the primary wage earner, as the primary care giver. In fact my second son Henry, is here. And I had him when I was a member of Congress. So under Vice President Biden’s analysis am I serving in Congress resulting in the deterioration of the family, because I had access to quality affordable day care. I just wanna know what he meant when he said that.

1:45:49 VB: That was a long time ago and here is what it was about. It would have given people making today, $100,000 a year a tax break for childcare. I did not want that. I wanted the child care to go to people making less than $100,000 and that’s what it was about. As a single father who in fact raised three children for five years by myself, I have some idea what it costs. I support making sure that every single solitary person needing child care get an $8000 tax credit now. That would put 700,000 women back to work, increase the GDP by almost eight tenths of 1%. It’s the right thing to do, if we can give tax breaks to corporations through these things why can’t we do it this way?

1:46:34 Dana: Thank you.

1:46:34 SG: But Mr. Vice President you didn’t answer my question. What did you mean when you said when a woman works outside the home it’s resulting in quote, “The deterioration of family.”

1:46:44 VB: No what I…

1:46:44 SG: And that we are avoiding… These are quotes. It was the title of the op-ed. And that just causes concern for me because we know America’s women are working. Four out of 10 moms have to work. They are the primary or sole wage earners. They actually have ot put food on the table. Eight out of 10 moms are working today. Most women have to work to provide for their kids. Many women want to be working to provide for their communities, it’s to help people.

1:47:05 Dana: Thank you Senator. Let the Vice President respond now. Thank you.

1:47:07 SG: So either you don’t believe it today or what did you mean when you said it then?

1:47:11 VB: From the very beginning my deceased wife worked, when we had children. My present wife has worked all the way through and raising our children. The fact of the matter is, the situation is one that I don’t know what’s happened. I wrote the Violence Against Women Act. Lily led better. I was deeply involved in making sure the Equal Pay, amendments. I was deeply involved in all of these things. I came up with the, It’s On Us proposal to see to it that women were treated more decently on college campuses. You came to Syracuse University with me and said it was wonderful. I’m passionate about the concern, making sure women are treated equally. I don’t know what’s happened except that you’re now running for president.


1:47:46 SG: So I understand… Mr. Vice President.


1:47:48 SG: Mr. Vice President. I respect you deeply. I respect you deeply. But those words are very specific. You said women working outside the home would lead to the deterioration of family. My grandmother worked outside the home. My mother worked outside the home. And…

1:48:10 Dana: Thank you Senator Gillibrand.

1:48:11 SG: So… Well, he hasn’t…

1:48:12 Dana: I wanna bring Senator Harris into this conversation.

1:48:12 SG: Either he no longer believes it… I just think he needs to…

1:48:16 VB: I never believed it.

1:48:17 SG: Oh okay.

1:48:17 Dana: Thank you. Senator Harris please respond.

1:48:19 SH: Well, I just… Listen, talk about now running for president and you change your position. On the Hyde Amendment, Vice President, where you made a decision for years to withhold resources to poor women to have access to reproductive healthcare and… Including women who were the victims of rape and incest. Do you now say that you have evolved and you regret that? Because you’ve only since you’ve been running for president this time said that you had… In some way, would take that back or you didn’t agree with the decision that you made over many, many years. And this directly impacted so many women in our country.

1:48:56 VB: But…

1:48:57 SH: And I personally prosecuted rape cases and child molestation cases. And the experience that those women have, those children have, and that they would then be denied the resources…

1:49:06 Dana: Thank you Senator. Let the Vice President respond, please.

1:49:07 SH: I think is unacceptable.

1:49:10 VB: The fact is that the Senator knows that’s not my position. Everybody on this stage has been in the Congress and the Senator House is voted for the Hyde Amendment at some point. The Hyde Amendment in the past was available because there was other access for those kinds of services provided privately, but once I wrote the legislation making sure that every single woman, when in fact, we have an opportunity to have healthcare paid for by the federal government, everyone, that could no longer stand. I support a woman’s right to choose. I support it’s a constitutional right. I’ve supported and I will continue to support it, and I will in fact move as president to see to that, that the Congress legislates that, that is the law as well.

1:49:53 Dana: Thank you. Thank you Mr. Vice President. Governor Inslee, your response.


1:49:53 SH: Well, why did you take so long to change your position on the Hyde Amendment? Why did it take so long until you’re running for president to change your position on the Hyde Amendment?

1:50:02 VB: Because there was not full federal funding for all reproductive services prior to this point.

1:50:08 SH: Okay.

1:50:09 Dana: Thank you. Governor Inslee, your response.

1:50:12 GI: I would suggest that we need to broaden our discussion. I would suggest we need to think about a bigger scandal in America which is that in professions and careers where women have been more than the majority, they have been almost always underpay, and that is why this year, I’m proud to be the governor who won the largest pay increase for our educators in the United States, and I believe that that is long, long overdue.


1:50:40 GI: I think it is true for nursing, as staff as well. And I’m glad that we’ve now passed any measures…

1:50:45 Jake: Thank you.

1:50:47 GI: And I’m glad that we’ve increased our union membership 10% for unions to stay at that, for women as well.

1:50:49 Jake: Thank you Governor. Thank you Governor Inslee. I wanna turn to foreign policy if we can. Senator Booker. There are about 14,000 US service members in Afghanistan right now. If elected, will they still be in Afghanistan by the end of your first year in office?

1:51:04 SB: Well, first of all, I wanna say very clearly that I will not do foreign policy, like tweet as Donald Trump seems to do all the time.


1:51:12 SB: A guy that literally tweets out that we’re pulling our troops out before his generals even know about it, is creating a dangerous situation for our troops in places like Afghanistan. And so I will bring our troops home, and I will bring them home as quickly as possible, but I will not set during a campaign, an artificial deadline. I will make sure we do it. We do it expeditiously. We do it safely to not create a vacuum that’s ultimately gonna destabilize the Middle East, and perhaps create the environment for terrorism and for extremism to threaten our nation.

1:51:43 Jake: Congresswoman Gabbard. You’re the only veteran on the stage. Please respond.

1:51:50 CG: This is real, in a way that’s very difficult to convey in words. I was deployed to Iraq in 2005 during the height of the war where I served in a field medical unit where every single day I saw the high cost of war. Just this past week, two more of our soldiers were killed in Afghanistan. My cousin is deployed to Afghanistan right now. Nearly 300 of our Hawaii National Guard soldiers are deployed to Afghanistan. 14,000 service members are deployed there. This is not about arbitrary deadlines, this is about leadership. The leadership I will bring to do the right thing, to bring our troops home within the first year in office because they shouldn’t have been there this long. For too long, we’ve had leaders who have been arbitrating foreign policy from ivory towers in Washington without any idea about the cost and the consequence, the toll that it takes on our service members, on their families. We have to do the right thing and these wasteful regime change wars and bring our troops home.

1:52:51 Jake: Thank you. Thank you Congresswoman. Mr. Yang, Iran has now breached the terms of the 2015 nuclear deal after President Trump withdrew the US from the deal and that puts Iran closer to building a nuclear weapon. The ability to do so at the very least. You’ve said if Iran violates the agreement, the US would need to respond “very strongly”. So how would a President Yang respond right now?

1:53:15 AY: I would move to de-escalate tensions in Iran because they’re responding to the fact that we’ve pulled out of this agreement. And it was just us and Iran, there were many other world powers that were part of that multilateral agreement. We’d have to try and re-enter that agreement, renegotiate the timelines because the timelines now, don’t make as much sense. But I’ve signed a pledge to end the forever wars. Right now, our strength abroad reflects our strength at home. What’s happened, really? We’ve fallen apart at home, so we elected Donald Trump, and now we have this erratic and unpredictable relationship with even our long-standing partners and allies. What we have to do is we have to start investing those resources to solve the problems right here at home. We spent trillions of dollars and lost thousands of American lives in conflicts that had unclear benefits. We’ve been in a constant state of war for 18 years. This is not what the American people want. I would bring the troops home. I would de-escalate tensions with Iran and I would start investing our resources in our own communities.


1:54:14 Jake: Governor Inslee, your response.

1:54:16 GI: Well, I think that these are matters of great and often difficult judgment. And there is no sort of primer for presidents to read. We have to determine whether a potential president has adequate judgment in these decisions. I was only one of two members on this panel today who were called to make a judgment about the Iraq war. I was a relatively new member of Congress, and I made the right judgement because it was obvious to me that George Bush was fanning the flames of war. Now we face similar situations where we recognize we have a President who’d be willing to beat the drums of war. We need a President who can stand up against the drums of war and make rational decisions. That was the right vote and I believe it.

1:55:02 Jake: Thank you. Thank you, Governor. Vice President Biden, he was obviously suggesting that you made the wrong decision and had bad judgment when you voted to go to war in Iraq as a US senator.

1:55:12 VB: I did make a bad judgement trusting the President saying he was only doing this to get inspectors in and get the UN to agree to put inspectors in. From the moment, shock and awe started, from that moment, I was opposed to the effort and I was outspoken as much as anyone at all in the Congress and the administration. Secondly, I was asked by the President in the first meeting we had on Iraq, he turned and said, “Joe, get our combat troops out.” In front of the entire national security team. One of the proudest moments of my life was to stand there in Al Faw Palace and tell everyone that we’re coming… All our combat troops are coming home. I opposed the surge in Afghanistan.

1:55:50 Jake: Thank you.

1:55:50 VB: This is long overdue, we should have not, in fact, gone into Afghanistan.

1:55:54 Jake: Thank you.

1:55:55 S?: Mr. Vice President, can I make a comment?

1:55:56 Jake: Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I wanna bring in… I would like to bring in the person on this stage who served in Iraq. Governor… I’m sorry, Congresswoman Gabbard, your response to what Vice President Biden just said.

1:56:06 CG: We were all lied to. This is the betrayal, this is the betrayal to the American people, to me, to my fellow service members. We were all lied to, told that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, was working with Al Qaeda and that this posed a threat to the American people. So I enlisted after 911 to protect our country, to go after those who attacked us on that fateful day, who took the lives of thousands of Americans. The problem is that this current President is continuing to betray us. We were supposed to be going after Al Qaeda, but over years now, not only have we not gone after Al Qaeda who is stronger today than they were in 9/11, our President is supporting Al Qaeda.

1:56:49 Don: Thank you, Congresswoman. Let’s talk about…

1:56:53 MB: We still didn’t talk about Iran.

1:56:54 Don: Thank you, please, please.

1:56:54 MB: We didn’t talk about Iran yet we’re on the march to war in Iran right now, and we [1:56:57] ____.

1:56:58 Don: Please, Mayor. The rules, please follow the rules.

1:57:00 MB: I respect the rules, but we have to stop this march to war in Iran and the Democrat party has to stand up for it.

1:57:01 Don: Mayor, thank you very much. We’re going on and we’re gonna talk about another subject. Mayor, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Let’s talk about now the former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s appearance in front of Congress last week. When asked whether or not the President could be charged with a crime after leaving office, his answer was, “Yes.” Senator Harris, you’ve criticized President Trump for interfering with the Justice Department. And just last month you said, if you were elected President, your Justice Department would “have no choice and should go forward with the obstruction of justice charges against former President Trump.” Why is it okay for you to advocate for the Justice Department to prosecute somebody but President Trump, not him?

1:57:40 SH: Well, I would never direct the Department of Justice to do whatever it believes it should do. But listen. Look, we all watched his testimony. I’ve read the report. There are 10 clear incidents of obstruction of justice by this President and he needs to be held accountable. I’ve seen people go to prison for far less. And the reality of it is that we have a person in the White House right now, who has been shielded by a memo in the United States Department of Justice that says, “A sitting president cannot be indicted.” I believe the American people are right to say there should be consequence and accountability for everyone and no one is above the law including the President of the United States.

1:58:19 Don: Senator Booker, your response.

1:58:23 SB: My response is exactly that. I’ve read the report. I’ve read the redacted versions of the report. We have something that is astonishing going on in the United States of America. We have a president that is not acting like the leader of the free world. He’s acting like an authoritarian against the actual Constitution that he swore an oath to uphold. And so this is a difference with a lot of us on this debate stage. I believe that we, in the United States Congress, should start impeachment proceedings immediately.


1:58:53 SB: And I’ll tell you this, Debbie Stabenow now has joined my call for starting impeachment proceedings because he is now stone-walling Congress, not allowing… They were subjecting themselves the checks and balances. We swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. The politics of this be damned. When we look back in history of what happened when a President of the United States started acting more like an authoritarian leader than the leader of the free world, the question is, is what will we have done? And I believe the congress should do its job.

1:59:22 Don: Senator Booker, thank you very much. Secretary Castro, what’s your response?

1:59:25 SC: Well, I agree. I was the first of the candidates to call on Congress to begin impeachment proceedings. There are 10 different instances that Robert Mueller has pointed out where this President, either obstructed justice or attempted to obstruct justice. And I believe that they should go forward with impeachment proceedings. As to the question of what my Department of Justice would do, I agree with those who say that a President should not direct an Attorney General, specifically, to prosecute or not prosecute. However, I believe that the evidence is plain and clear, and that if it gets that far, that you’re likely to see a prosecution of Donald Trump.

2:00:00 Don: Thank you, Secretary. Mayor de Blasio. I’m gonna bring you in and what’s your response?

2:00:03 MB: I think it’s obvious at this point in our history that the President has committed the crimes worthy of impeachment. But I wanna caution my fellow Democrats, while we move in every way we can for impeachment, we have to remember at the same time the American people are out there looking for us to do something for them in their lives. And what they see when they turn on the TV or go online is just talk about impeachment. We need more talk about working people and their lives. For example, are we really ready? And I ask people on this stage this question, “Are we ready to make sure that the wealthy pay their fair share in taxes?” That’s something every American wants to know about. That’s something they want answers to right now. So yeah, move for impeachment but don’t forget to do the people’s business and to stand up for working people because that’s how we’re actually gonna beat Donald Trump. The best impeachment is beating him in the election of 2020.

2:00:53 Don: Mayor, thank you very much. Senator Bennet, how do you respond to this conversation?

2:00:56 SB: I think, look, as we go forward here, we need to recognize a very practical reality which is that we are four months away… We’ve got the August recess, then we are four months away from the Iowa caucuses. And I just wanna make sure whatever we do doesn’t end up with an acquittal by Mitch McConnell in the Senate, which it surely would. And then President Trump would be running saying that he had been acquitted by the United States Congress. I believe, we have a moral obligation to beat Donald Trump. He has to be a single term president and we can’t do anything that plays into his hands. We were talking earlier about climate up here. It’s so important. Donald Trump should be the last climate denier that’s ever in the White House.

2:01:44 Don: Senator Bennet, thank you very much. Secretary Castro, please respond.

2:01:47 SB: But we need to be smart about how we’re running…

2:01:49 Don: Thank you, Senator.

2:01:50 SB: Or we’re gonna give them a second term.

2:01:51 Don: Secretary, please. Your turn.

2:01:53 SB: We can’t do it.

2:01:53 SC: Well, let me first say that I really do believe that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. All of us have a vision for the future of the country that we’re articulating to the American people. We’re gonna continue to do that. We have an election coming up. At the same time Senator, I think that too many folks in the Senate and in the Congress have been spooked by 1998. I believe that the times are different, and in fact, I think that folks are making a mistake by not pursuing impeachment. The Mueller report clearly details that he deserves it. And what’s gonna happen in the fall of next year of 2020, if they don’t impeach him, it’s easy to say, “You see? You see? The Democrats didn’t go after me on impeachment and you know why? Because I didn’t do anything wrong. These folks that always investigate me, they’re always trying to go after me. When it came down to it, they didn’t go after me there because I didn’t do anything wrong.” Conversely, if Mitch McConnell is the one that lets him off the hook, we’re gonna be able to say, “Well, sure…

2:02:46 Don: Secretary… Secretary Castro, thank you.

2:02:46 SC: They impeached him in the House, but his friend, Mitch McConnell, Moscow Mitch let him off the hook.

2:02:51 Don: Thank you, Secretary. Senator Bennet, please respond.


2:02:57 SB: I don’t disagree with that. You just said it better than I did. We have to walk and chew gum at the same time. It is incredibly unusual for members of Congress to be able to do that. And I’m glad that Secretary Castro has the ambition…

2:03:09 SC: My brother can. He’s…

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2:03:11 SB: That was I was gonna say. It’s your brother that’s giving you that good feeling about the Congress. That’s what we should do.

2:03:17 Don: Thank you, Senator. Thank you, gentlemen. The debate continues right after this.



2:03:25 Jake: Welcome back to the CNN Democratic Presidential Debate. It is time now for closing statements. You will each receive one minute. Mayor de Blasio, let’s begin with you.

2:03:35 MB: Thank you. For the last three years, we’ve watched Donald Trump hit working people against each other. Black versus white, citizen versus immigrant and why? So that the wealthy and the powerful he represents can hold the American Dream hostage from everyone else. We can’t let them get away with it. If we’re gonna beat Donald Trump, this has to be a party that stands for something. This has to be the party of labor unions. This has to be the party of universal health care. This has to be the party that’s not afraid to say out loud, “We’re gonna tax the hell out of the wealthy.” And when we do that, Donald Trump right on cue will call us socialists. Well, here’s what I’ll say to him, “Donald, you’re the real socialist. The problem is, it’s socialism for the rich.” We, here in this country, we don’t have to take it anymore. We can fight back. If you agree that we can stand up to Donald Trump and we can stand up to the wealthy, then go to and join us so we can build a country that puts working people first.

2:04:49 Jake: Senator Bennet.

2:04:50 SB: Thank you. Thank you very much. What I wanna say to all of you tonight is we have been here before as a country. We have faced challenges that we’ve actually even forget some of us tonight how hard the people fought, how hard they worked, how hard they organized, the votes they had to take, the people they had to get to the polls to make this country more democratic, more fair, and more free. And now we have a person at the White House who has no appreciation of that history, who doesn’t believe in the rule of law, who doesn’t believe in the independence of the judiciary, who doesn’t believe that climate change is real. I think that we have an incredible opportunity in front of us, all of us, to come together just as our parents and grandparents did before them and face challenges, even harder than the ones that we face. But the only way we’re gonna be able to do it is to put the divisive politics of Donald Trump behind us and the divisive politics of the last 10 years behind us. We need to come together, united against a broken Washington, make Donald Trump a one-term president, and begin to govern this country again for our kids and our grandkids who cannot do it for themselves. We have to do it for them. Please join me at Thanks for being here tonight.


2:06:14 Jake: Governor Inslee.

2:06:19 GI: For decades, we have kicked the can down the road on climate change and now under Donald Trump, we face a looming catastrophe. But it is not too late. We have one last chance. And when you have one chance in life, you take it. Think about this. Literally, the survival of humanity on this planet and civilization as we know it is in the hands of the next President. And we have to have a leader who will do what is necessary to save us, and that includes making this the top priority of the next presidency. And I alone on this panel I’m making that commitment that this will be the organizing principle of my administration not the first day, but every day. And if you share my view of the urgency of this matter, I hope you’ll join me because we are up against powerful special fossil fuel interests and it is time to stand up on our legs and confront the fossil fuel special interests because that is our salvation what it depends upon. So I hope you will consider going to and joining in this effort and I will close with this, I am confident and optimistic tonight, even in the face of this difficulty, because I know we can build a clean energy economy. I know we can save our children and our grandchildren. I know that we can defeat climate change and we will defeat Donald Trump. This is our moral responsibility and we will fulfill it. Thank you very much.


2:08:02 Jake: Senator Gillibrand.


2:08:07 SG: Donald Trump has really torn apart the moral fabric of this country, dividing us on every racial line, every religious line, every socioeconomic line he can find. I’m running for president because I wanna help people and I actually have the experience and the ability to do that. I’ve brought Congress together and actually made a difference in people’s lives. I also know how to beat Donald Trump. He has broken his promises to the American people. I’ve taken this fight directly to his backyard in Michigan and Ohio and in Pennsylvania and I’ll go to all the places in this country. I will fight for your family. It doesn’t matter who you are, it doesn’t matter where you live, it doesn’t matter who you love because that’s my responsibility. And I’ve done this before. I started out in a 2-to-1 Republican district. I won it twice. I’ve never lost an election since. And I not only bring people together electorally but also legislatively. I get things done. So we need a president who’s not afraid of the big challenges, of the big fights. There is no false choice. We don’t need a liberal or progressive with big ideas or we don’t need a moderate who can win back Trump-Obama voters. You need someone who can do both. And that’s who I am. Please go to so I can make the next debate stage.


2:09:39 Jake: Congresswoman Gabbard.

2:09:43 CG: Thank you. Now Donald Trump and warmongering politicians in Washington have failed us. They continue to escalate tensions with other nuclear-armed countries like Russia and China and North Korea, starting a new Cold War, pushing us closer and closer to the brink of nuclear catastrophe. Now, as we stand here tonight, there are thousands of nuclear missiles pointed at us and if we were to get an attack right here tonight, we would have 30 minutes, 30 minutes before we were hit. And you would receive an alert like the one we received in Hawaii last year that would say, “Incoming missile. Seek immediate shelter. This is not a drill. Seek immediate shelter. This is not a drill.”

2:10:27 CG: And you would see as we did, as my loved ones in Hawaii did, there is no shelter. This is the warmonger’s hoax. There is no shelter. It’s all a lie. As president, I will end this insanity because it doesn’t have to be this way. I will end these wasteful regime-change wars, work to end this new Cold War through the use of diplomacy to de-escalate these tensions and take the trillions of dollars that we’ve been wasting on these wars and on these weapons and redirect those resources into serving the needs of our people right here at home. Things like health care for all, making sure everyone in this country has clean water to drink and clean air to breathe, investing in education, investing in our infrastructure. The needs are great. As your president, I will put your interests above all else.


2:11:18 Jake: Secretary Castro.

2:11:19 SC: Well, first of all, let me say thank you to you, Jake, Dana, and to Don, and to everybody here and to those watching. You know, this election is all about what kind of nation we’re gonna become. You and I, we stand on the shoulders of folks who have made beds and made sacrifices, people that fought in wars and fought discrimination, folks that picked crops and stood in picket lines, and they helped build the wonderful nation that we live in today. Donald Trump has not been bashful in his cruelty and I’m not gonna be bashful in my common sense and compassion. I believe that we need leadership that understands that we need to move forward as one nation with one destiny and our destiny in the years to come is to be the smartest, the healthiest, the fairest and the most prosperous nation on Earth. If you wanna help me build that America for the future, I hope you’ll go to and on January 20th, 2021, we’ll say together, “Adios to Donald Trump.”


2:12:33 Jake: Mr. Yang?

2:12:37 AY: You know what the talking heads couldn’t stop talking about after the last debate? It’s not the fact that I’m somehow number four on this stage in national polling, it was the fact that I wasn’t wearing a tie. Instead of talking about automation and our future, including the fact that we automated away 4 million manufacturing jobs, hundreds of thousands right here in Michigan, we’re up here with makeup on our faces and our rehearsed attack lines, playing roles in this reality TV show. It’s one reason why we elected a reality TV star as our president.



2:13:10 AY: We need to be laser-focused on solving the real challenges of today, like the fact that the most common jobs in America may not exist in a decade or that most Americans cannot pay their bills. My flagship proposal, the freedom dividend, would put $1000 a month into the hands of every American adult, be a game changer for millions of American families. If you care more about your family and your kids than my neck-wear, enter your zip code at and see what a $1000 a month would mean to your community. I have done the math, it’s not left, it’s not right; it’s forward. And that is how we’re going to beat Donald Trump in 2020.


2:13:49 Jake: Senator Booker?


2:13:51 SB: Thank you. First, I just want to give a lot of thanks to the city of Detroit. They’re hosting us today and one of the reasons I respect this city is because it has the kind of defiant love that I find in many American cities, including the city of Newark. And Detroit is turning around and Newark is turning around because we let no one divide us, no one demean or degrade us or underestimate our worth. We pulled together and fought for common purpose and common cause. That’s the history of this city. My mom is sitting there who was born in the city of Detroit, born to a guy that was a UAW worker, my grandfather, who pulled his family out of poverty in the depression. My grandmother joined him. She was really entrepreneurial, opened a pool hall and a laundry mat right here in this city. That is the American dream and so many of us have stories like that.

2:14:45 SB: But the dream of this country is under threat right now. Well, my mom’s generation, 80-95% of baby boomers did better than their parents. It’s now just a coin toss for millennials. We have a real crisis in our country and the crisis is Donald Trump, but not only Donald Trump. I have a frustration that sometimes people are saying, “The only thing they want is to beat Donald Trump.” Well, that is the floor and not the ceiling. The way we beat Donald Trump is not just focusing on him, he wants to take all the oxygen out of the room. It’s when we start focusing on each other and understanding that our common bonds and our common purpose, to address our common pain is what has saved us before. It’s what’s gonna save us now. That is the kind of leader that I am going to be as President of United States, not just uniting the Democratic Party, but making sure that we put more indivisible back into this one nation under God. And if you believe like I do, please go to and join the mission.


2:15:53 Jake: Senator Harris.

2:15:58 SH: So, in my background, as Attorney General of California, I took on the big banks, who preyed on the home owners, many of whom lost their homes and will never be able to buy another. I’ve taken on the for-profit colleges who preyed on students, put them out of business. I’ve preyed on transnational criminal organizations, that have preyed on women and children. And I will tell you, we have a predator living in the White House. And I’m gonna tell you something, Donald Trump, has predatory nature, and predatory instincts. And the thing about predators is this, by their very nature, they prey on people they perceive to be weak. They prey on people they perceive to be vulnerable. They prey on people who are in need of help, often desperate for help and predators are cowards. What we need is someone who is gonna be on that debate stage with Donald Trump, and defeat him, by being able to prosecute the case against four more years.

2:17:02 SH: And let me tell you… We’ve got a long rap sheet. We’re looking at someone who passed a tax bill benefiting the top 1% and the biggest corporations in this country when he said he would help working families. We’ve got a person who has put babies in cages and separated children from their parents, we have someone who passed his so-called trade policy, that was trade policy by tweet… And has resulted in attacks on American families. So we must defeat him and then in turning the page write the next chapter for our country, and that has to be written in a way that recognizes, what wakes people up at 3 o’clock in the morning. And that is my agenda, the 3:00 AM agenda that is focused on giving folks the jobs they need, giving their children the education they need, making sure they have the health care they need and the future they deserve. So, please join me at and I thank you for your time.


2:17:58 Jake: Vice President Biden.

2:18:00 VB: Thank you, thank you very much. And thank you Mr. Mayor for Detroit hosting this… Look, I’ve said it many times and I think everyone agrees with this. We’re in a battle for the soul of America. This is the most consequential election any one of you, no matter how old or young you are, has ever, ever participated in. Four more years of Donald Trump will go down as an aberration, hard to overcome the damage he’s done, but we can overcome it. Eight more years of Donald Trump will change America, in a fundamental way, the America we know, will no longer exist. Everybody knows who Donald Trump is, we have to let them know who we are. We choose science over fiction, we choose hope over fear. We choose unity over division and we choose, we choose the idea that we can as Americans, when we act together, do anything. This is the United States of America. We’ve acted together, we have never, never, never, been unable to overcome whatever the problem was. If you agree with me go to Joe 30330 and help me in this fight. Thank you very much.


2:19:14 Dana: Candidates, thank you so much.

Full Democratic Presidential Debate Night One July 30 – #Transcripts2020

As part of our #Transcripts2020 project, we are pleased to release the transcript of night 1 of the Democratic Presidential Debate held on July 30, 2019. An editable version is available here. All transcripts of this series are available here.

0:00:00 Jake: And as moderators, we will attempt to guide the discussion. You will each receive one minute to answer questions, 30 seconds for responses and rebuttals and 15 additional seconds if a moderator asks for a clarification. The timing lights will remind you of these limits. Please respect that and please refrain from interrupting your fellow candidates during their allotted time. A candidate infringing on another candidate’s time will have his or her time reduced. We also want to ask our audience inside the historic Fox Theatre to remain silent when the candidates are actively debating. The candidates need to be able to hear the questions and hear one another.

0:00:37 Dana: Time now for opening statements. You’ll each receive one minute. Governor Steve Bullock, please begin.

0:00:43 Governor Steve Bullock: Thanks Dana. I come from a state where a lot of people voted for Donald Trump. Let’s not kid ourselves, he will be hard to beat. Yet, watching that last debate, folks seemed more concerned about scoring points or outdoing each other with wish list economics, than making sure Americans know we hear their voices and will help their lives. Look, I’m a pro-choice, pro-union, populous democrat that won three elections in a red state, not by compromising our values, but by getting stuff done. That’s how we win back the places we lost; showing up, listening, focusing on the challenges of every day Americans. That farmer getting hit right now by Trump’s trade wars, that teacher working a second job just to afford her insulin, they can’t wait for a revolution. Their problems are in the here and now. I’m a progressive, emphasis on progress, and I’m running for President to get stuff done for all of those Americans Washington has left behind.

0:01:48 Dana: Marianne Williamson.

0:01:50 Marianne Williamson: Thank you. In 1776 our founders brought forth on this planet an extraordinary new possibility. It was the idea that people, no matter who they were, would simply have the possibility of thriving. We have not ever totally actualized this ideal, but at the times when we have done best we have tried, and when forces have opposed them, generations of Americans have risen up and pushed back against those forces. We did that with abolition and with women’s suffrage and with civil rights, and now it is time for a generation of Americans to rise up again, for an amoral economic system has turned short-term profits for huge multinational corporations into a false god, and this new false god takes precedence over the safety and the health and the well-being of we the American people and the people of the world and the planet on which we live. Conventional politics will not solve this problem, because conventional politics is part of the problem. We, the American people must rise up and do what we do best and create a new possibility, say no to what we don’t want, and yes to what we know can be true. I’m Marianne Williamson, and that’s why I’m running for President.

0:03:05 Dana: Congressman John Delaney.

0:03:08 Congressman John Delaney: Folks, we have a choice. We can go down the road that Senator Sanders and Senator Warren wanna take us, with bad policies like Medicare for All, free everything and impossible promises that’ll turn off independent voters and get Trump re-elected. That’s what happened with McGovern. That’s what happened with Mondale. That’s what happened with Dukakis. Or we can nominate someone with new ideas to create universal healthcare for every American, with choice, someone who wants to unify our country and grow the economy and create jobs everywhere, and then we win the White House. I’m the product of the American Dream. I believe in it. I’m the grandson of immigrants, the son of a construction worker. My wife April and I have four amazing daughters. I was the youngest CEO in the history of the New York Stock Exchange, created thousands of jobs, and then served in Congress. That’s the type of background, and my platform is about real solutions, not impossible promises, that can beat Trump and govern. Thank you.

0:04:09 Dana: Congressman Tim Ryan.

0:04:12 Congressman Tim Ryan: America is great, but not everyone can access America’s greatness. The systems that were built to lift us up are now suffocating the American people. The economic system that used to create $30, $40, $50 an hour jobs, that you can have a good solid, middle class living now force us to have two or three jobs just to get by. Most families, when they go to sit at the kitchen table to do their bills, they get a pit in the middle of their stomach. We deserve better. And the political system is broken too, because the entire conversation is about left or right. Where are you at on the political system. And I’m here to say, this isn’t about left or right. This is about new and better, and it’s not about reforming old systems, it’s about building new systems. And tonight I will offer solutions that are bold, that are realistic and that are a clean break from the past.

0:05:18 Dana: Governor John Hickenlooper.

0:05:20 Governor John Hickenlooper: Last year, Democrats flipped 40 Republican seats in the house, and not one of those 40 Democrats support the policies of our front runners at center stage. Now, I share their progressive values, but I’m a little more pragmatic. I was out of work for two whole years until I started what became the largest brewpub in America, and I learned the small business lessons of how to provide service and teamwork, and became a top Mayor, and as Governor of Colorado, created the number one economy in the country. We also expanded healthcare reproductive rights. We attacked climate change head on. We beat the NRA. We did not build massive government expansions, as some will promise at will tonight, or a plan for tonight. What we focused on was making sure that we got people together to get things done, to provide solutions to problems, to make sure that we work together and created jobs. That’s how we’re gonna beat Donald Trump. That’s how we’re gonna win Michigan and the country.

0:06:26 Dana: Senator Amy Klobuchar.

0:06:28 Senator Amy Klobuchar: Let’s get real. Tonight we debate, but ultimately we have to beat Donald Trump. My background, it’s a little different than his. I stand before you today as a granddaughter of an iron ore miner. As a daughter of a union teacher and a newspaperman man. As the first woman elected to the US Senate from the State of Minnesota, and a candidate for president of the United States. That’s because we come from a country of shared dreams, and I have had it with the racist attacks. I have had it with the President that says one thing on TV that has your back, and then you get home and you see those charges for prescription drugs and cable, and college. You’re gonna hear a lot of promises up here, but I’m gonna tell you this. Yes, I have bold ideas, but they are grounded in reality. And yes, I will make some simple promises. I can win this. I’m from the Midwest and I have won every race, every place, every time. And I will govern with integrity, the integrity worthy of the extraordinary people of this nation.

0:07:32 Dana: Congressman Beto O’Rourke.

0:07:35 Congressman Beto O’Rourke: I’m running for president because I believe that America discovers its greatness at its moments of greatest need. This moment will define us forever, and I believe that in this test America will be redeemed. In the face of cruelty and fear from a lawless president, we will choose to be the nation that stands up for the human rights of everyone, for the rule of law for everyone, and a democracy that serves everyone. Whatever our differences, we know that before we are anything else, we are Americans first. And we will ensure that each one of us is well enough and educated enough and paid enough to realize our full potential. We will meet these challenges here at home, and we will lead the world in those that we face abroad, successfully confronting endless war and climate change. At this moment of truth, let us pursue our national promise and make a more perfect union of everyone, by everyone and for every one.

0:08:41 Dana: Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

0:08:44 Mayor Pete Buttigieg: I’m running for president because our country is running out of time. It is even bigger than the emergency of the Trump presidency. Ask yourself how somebody like Donald Trump ever gets within cheating distance of the Oval Office in the first place. It doesn’t happen unless America is already in a crisis. An economy that’s not working for everyone. Endless war, climate change, we have lived this. In my industrial midwestern hometown, my generation has lived this, as long as we have been alive, and it’s only accelerating. Science tells us we have 12 years before we reach the horizon of catastrophe, when it comes to our climate. By 2030, the average house in this country will cost half a million bucks, and a woman’s right to choose may not even exist. We are not going to be able to meet this moment by recycling the same arguments, policies and politicians that have dominated Washington for as long as I have been alive. We’ve got to summon the courage to walk away from the past, and do something different. This is our shot. That is why I’m running for president.

0:09:50 Dana: Senator Elizabeth Warren.

0:09:52 Senator Elizabeth Warren: Donald Trump disgraces the office of presidents every single day. And anyone on this stage tonight or tomorrow night would be a far better president. I promise no matter who our candidate is, I will work my heart out to beat Donald Trump and to elect a Democratic Congress. But our problems didn’t start with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is part of a corrupt rigged system that has helped the wealthy and the well-connected and kicked dirt in the faces of everyone else. We’re not gonna solve the urgent problems that we face with small ideas and spinelessness. We’re gonna solve them by being the Democratic Party of big structural change. We need to be the party that fights for our democracy and our economy to work for everyone. Now, I know what’s broken in this country. I know how to fix it, and I will fight to make it happen.

0:10:58 Dana: Senator Bernie Sanders.

0:11:01 Senator Bernie Sanders: Tonight in America, as we speak, 87 million Americans are uninsured or underinsured. But the healthcare industry made $100 billion in profits last year. Tonight, as we speak right now, 500,000 Americans are sleeping out on the street. And yet, companies like Amazon that made billions in profits did not pay one nickel in federal income tax. Tonight, half of the American people are living paycheck to paycheck, and yet 49% of all new income goes to the top 1%. Tonight, the fossil fuel industry continues to receive hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks, while they destroy this planet. We have got to take on Trump’s racism, his sexism, xenophobia and come together in an unprecedented grassroots movement, to not only defeat Trump, but to transform our economy and our government.

0:12:11 Jake: Thank you Senator Sanders. Let’s start the debate with the number one issue for Democratic voters, healthcare. And Senator Sanders, let’s start with you. You support Medicare for all, which would eventually take private health insurance away from more than 150 million Americans, in exchange for government-sponsored health care for everyone. Congressman Delaney just referred to it as bad policy and previously, he has called the idea political suicide, that will just get President Trump re-elected. What do you say to Congressman Delaney?

0:12:43 SS: You’re wrong.


0:12:49 SS: Right now we have a dysfunctional healthcare system, 87 million uninsured or underinsured, $500,000, 500,000 Americans every year going bankrupt because of medical bills, 30,000 people dying, while the healthcare industry makes tens of billions of dollars in profit. Five minutes away from here John is a country. It’s called Canada. They guarantee healthcare to every man, woman and child as a human right, they spend half of what we spend. And by the way, when you end up in a hospital in Canada, you come out with no bill at all. Healthcare is a human right. It’s not a privilege. I believe that, I will fight for that.


0:13:35 Jake: Thank you Senator Sanders. Congressman Delaney?

0:13:38 CD: Well, I’m right about this. We can create a universal healthcare system to give everyone basic healthcare for free, and I have a proposal to do it, but we don’t have to go around and be the party of subtraction and telling half the country who has private health insurance, that their health insurance is illegal. My dad, the union electrician, loved the healthcare he got from the IBW. He would never want someone to take that away. Half of Medicare beneficiaries now have Medicare Advantage, which is private insurance or supplemental plans. It’s also bad policy. It’ll under-fund the industry. Many hospitals will close…

0:14:09 Jake: Thank you Congressman.

0:14:12 CD: And it’s bad policy.

0:14:12 Jake: Senator Sanders, I wanna…

0:14:12 S?: Sir, my name was also mentioned in this.

0:14:14 Jake: We’re gonna come to you in one second, but let me go to Senator Sanders right now. Senator Sanders?

0:14:19 SS: The fact of the matter is, tens of millions of people lose their health insurance every single year when they change jobs, when their employer changes that insurance. If you want stability in the healthcare system, if you want a system which gives you freedom of choice with regard to doctor or hospital, which is a system which will not bankrupt you, the answer is to get rid of the profiteering…

0:14:45 Jake: Thank you sir.

0:14:45 SS: Of the drug companies and the insurance companies…

0:14:48 Jake: Thank you Sir.

0:14:48 SS: Move to Medicare for all.

0:14:49 Jake: Congressman Delaney?

0:14:49 CD: But now he’s talking about a different issue. What I’m talking about is really simple. We should deal with the tragedy of being uninsured and give everyone healthcare as a right, but why do we gotta be the party of taking something away from people?

0:15:00 SW: No, no one is the party…

0:15:01 Jake: Hold on one second sir.

0:15:01 CD: That’s what they’re running on.

0:15:02 SW: No…

0:15:03 CD: They’re running on telling half the country that your health insurance is illegal. It says it right in the bill.

0:15:09 Jake: Alright. Thank you…

0:15:09 CD: We don’t have to do that. We can give everyone healthcare and allow people to have a choice. That’s the American way.

0:15:15 SW: Look…

0:15:16 Jake: Thank you Congressman. Senator Warren?

0:15:17 SW: So look, let’s be clear about this. We are the Democrats. We are not about trying to take away healthcare from anyone. That’s what the Republicans are trying to do.


0:15:27 SW: And we should stop using Republican talking points in order to talk with each other about how to best provide that healthcare.


0:15:37 SW: Now, I wanna have a chance to tell the story about my friend Eddie Barkin. Eddie is 35 years old, he has a wife, Rachel. He has a cute little boy named Carl. He also has ALS and it’s killing him. Eddie has health insurance, good health insurance…

0:15:53 Jake: Senator…

0:15:54 SW: And it’s not nearly enough. Look, this isn’t for…

0:15:55 Jake: Senator, I want us to… I’m coming right… I’m staying with you, I’m staying with you, but you’ve exceeded your time and so let me just stay with you on Medicare for All.

0:16:04 SW: Alright.

0:16:05 Jake: At the last debate you said you’re “with Bernie” on Medicare for All. Now Senator Sanders has said, the people in the middle class will pay more in taxes to help pay for Medicare for All, though that will be offset by the elimination of insurance premiums and other costs. Are you also “with Bernie” on Medicare for All when it comes to raising taxes on middle class Americans to pay for it?

0:16:26 SW: So, giant corporations and billionaires are going to pay more, middle class families are going to pay less out-of-pocket for their healthcare. And I’d like to finish talking about Eddie, the guy who has ALS. This isn’t funny. This is somebody who has health insurance and is dying. And every month he has about $9000 in medical bills that his insurance company won’t cover. His wife Rachel is on phone for hours and hours and hours begging the insurance company, please cover what the doctors say he needs. He talks about what it’s like to go online with thousands of other people to beg friends, family, and strangers for money, so he can cover his medical expenses. The basic profit model of an insurance company is take in as much money as you can in premiums and pay out as little as possible in healthcare coverage. That is not working for Americans…

0:17:27 Jake: Thank you.

0:17:27 SW: Across this country.

0:17:29 Jake: Thank you Senator.

0:17:29 SW: Medicare for All will fix that and that’s why I’ll fight for it.

0:17:32 Jake: Thank you Senator. Just a point of clarification in 15 extra seconds…


0:17:36 Jake: Would you raise taxes on the middle class to pay for Medicare for All, offset obviously by the elimination of insurance premiums. Yes or no?

0:17:42 SW: Costs will go up for billionaires, and go up for corporations, for middle class families costs, total costs will go down. But I…

0:17:51 GB: Let me…

0:17:51 Jake: Governor Bullock, Governor Bullock I wanna bring you in. You do not support Medicare for All. How do you respond to Senator Warren?

0:17:58 GB: No, healthcare is so personal to all of us. Never forget when my 12-year-old son had a heart attack within 24 hours of his life. Had to be life-flighted to Salt Lake City, but because we had good insurance, he’s here with me tonight. At the end of the day I’m not gonna support any plan that rips away quality healthcare from individuals. This is an example of wishlist economics. It used to be just Republicans wanted to repeal and replace, now, many Democrats do as well. We can get there with a public option, negotiating drug prices. Ending…

0:18:31 Jake: Thank you Governor Bullock. I wanna bring in Mayor Buttigieg on the topic of whether or not the middle class should pay higher taxes in exchange for guaranteed healthcare and the elimination of insurance premiums? How do you respond, mayor?

0:18:42 MB: So, we don’t have to stand up here speculating about whether the public option will be better than… Or a Medicare for All environment will be better than the corporate options. We can put it to the test. That’s the concept of my Medicare for All Who Want It proposal. That way, if people like me are right, that the public alternative is going to be not only more comprehensive, but more affordable than any of the corporate options around there, we’ll see Americans walk away from the corporate options into that Medicare option, and it will become Medicare for All without us having to kick anybody off…

0:19:11 Jake: So just…

0:19:12 SW: We have…

0:19:13 Jake: 15 Seconds on the clarification. You are willing to raise taxes on middle class Americans in order to have universal coverage, with the disappearance of insurance premiums. Yes or no?

0:19:24 MB: I think you can buy into it. That’s the idea of Medicare for All Who Want it. Look, this is a distinction without a difference whether you’re paying the same money in the form of taxes or premiums. Look, in this country, if you have health coverage… If you don’t have health coverage you’re paying too much for care. And if you do have health coverage you’re paying too much for care.

0:19:41 Jake: Thank you Mayor Buttigieg.

0:19:41 S?: Jake.

0:19:41 Jake: I want ot bring in Congressman O’Rourke on the topic of whether the middle class should pay higher taxes in exchange for universal coverage and the elimination of insurance premiums. What’s your response?

0:19:49 CO: The answer is no, the middle class will not pay more in taxes in order to ensure that every American is guaranteed world-class healthcare. I think we’re being offered a false choice. Some who want to improve the Affordable Care Act at the margins, others who want a Medicare for All program that will force people off of private insurance. I have a better path. Medicare for America, everyone who’s uninsured is enrolled in Medicare tomorrow. Those who are insufficiently insured are enrolled in Medicare.

0:20:19 Jake: Congressman… Just in 15 seconds.

0:20:21 CO: And those who have employer-sponsored insurance.

0:20:21 Jake: Who’s offering… Who’s offering a false choice here?

0:20:23 CO: Jake, this is important.

0:20:24 Jake: Who’s offering a false choice here?

0:20:25 CO: You have some, Governor Bullock who said that we will improve the Affordable Care Act at the margins with a public option. You have others to my right, who are talking about taking away people’s choice for the private insurance they have, or members of unions. I was listening to Dee Taylor…

0:20:41 Jake: Thank you Congressman. And to bring in Governor Bullock…

0:20:44 CO: His numbers.

[overlapping conversation]

0:20:44 Jake: He just said you’re offering a false choice, sir.

0:20:47 GB: Congressman, not at all. You know, it took us decades of false starts to get the Affordable Care Act. So let’s actually build on it, a public option allowing anyone to buy in. We pay more for prescription drugs than any place actually in the world, we’ve got nothing to show for it. Negotiate prescription drug prices. End surprise medical billing. That’s the way that we can get there without disrupting the lives of 160 million people…

0:21:16 Jake: Congressman O’Rourke, you can respond.

0:21:16 GB: That like their employer sponsored health insurance.

0:21:19 Jake: Congressman O’Rourke, you can respond.

0:21:19 CO: Every estimate that I’ve seen of expanding ACA even through a public option still leaves millions of people uninsured and also means that people are not guaranteed the healthcare that they need, as the example, that Senator Warren showed us. Our plan ensures that everyone is enrolled in Medicare or can keep their employer-sponsored insurance. When we listen to the American people, and this is what they want us to do, they want everyone covered, but they want to be able to maintain choice.

0:21:46 Jake: Thank you Congressman.

0:21:47 CO: And our plan does that.

0:21:48 Jake: Thank you Congressman. I wanna bring in Senator Klobuchar. Senator Warren, at the beginning of the night, said that “Democrats can not bring, cannot win the White House with small ideas and spinelessness”. In the last debate you said, “The politicians who are not supporting Medicare for All, simply lack the will to fight for it.” You do not support Medicare for All. Is Senator Warren correct? Do you just not lack the will to fight for it?

0:22:10 SK: That is incorrect. I just have a better way to do this. And in one of my first debates, Jake, I was called a street fighter from the Iron Range by my opponent, and when she said it, I said, “Thank you.” So this is what I think we need to get done. We need the public option. That’s what Barack Obama wanted. And it would bring health care costs down for everyone. And by the way, I just don’t buy this. I’ve heard some of these candidates say that it’s somehow not moral, if you… Not moral to not have that public option. Well Senator Sanders was actually on a public option bill last year, and that was, Bernie, the Medicaid public option bill that Senator Schatz introduced. Clearly this is the easiest way to move forward quickly. And I wanna get things done. People can’t wait. I’ve got… My friend, Nicole, out there who’s son who has actually died trying to ration his insulin as a restaurant manager, and he died because he didn’t have enough money to pay for it.

0:23:06 Jake: Senator…

0:23:06 SK: And Bernie and I have worked on pharmaceuticals issues together.

0:23:09 Jake: Thank you senator.

0:23:10 SK: We can get less expensive drugs.

0:23:10 SS: As the author of…

0:23:11 Jake: Senator Sanders. I gotta go to Senator Sanders then Senator Warren because you both were mentioned. Senator Sanders?

0:23:14 SS: As the author of the Medicare Bill, let me clear up one thing. People talk about having insurance. There are millions of people who have insurance, they can’t go to the doctor, and when they come out of the hospital, they go bankrupt. Alright?


0:23:30 SS: What I am talking about, and others up here are talking about is no deductibles and no co-payments. And Jake, your question is a Republican talking point. At the end of the day, and by the way…


0:23:43 SS: And by the way, by the way, the health care industry will be advertising tonight on this program.

0:23:50 Jake: Thank you Senator. Senator Warren, it’s your turn.

0:23:52 SS: Oh, could I complete that please?

0:23:54 Jake: Your time is up, 30 seconds.

0:23:55 SS: They will be advertising tonight with that talking point.

0:24:00 Jake: Senator Warren.

0:24:00 SW: So we have to think of this in terms of the big frame, what’s the problem in Washington, it works great for the wealthy, it works great for those who can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers, and it keeps working great for the insurance companies and the drug companies. What it’s going to take is real courage to fight back against them. These insurance companies do not have a God-given right to make $23-billion in profits and suck it out of our healthcare system.


0:24:26 Jake: Thank you Senator.

0:24:27 SW: They do not have a God-given right…

0:24:27 Jake: Thank you Senator.

0:24:30 SW: To put forms in place so that…

0:24:32 SK: On page 8 of the bill it says that…

0:24:32 Jake: I wanna let congressman Delaney in.

0:24:33 SK: It will kick everyone off of their insurance. No, that is what it says on page 8.

0:24:34 SW: They want to deny coverage.

[overlapping conversation]

0:24:35 Jake: Thank you senator. If we could all just stick to the rules of the time, that would be great. Congressman Delaney?

0:24:39 CD: I’m the only one on this stage who actually has experience in the healthcare business, and with all due respect, I don’t think my colleagues understand the business. We have the public option…

0:24:47 SS: It’s not a business!

0:24:47 CD: Which is great. The public option is great, but it doesn’t go far enough. It doesn’t go far enough. I’m proposing universal healthcare, where everyone gets healthcare as a basic human right for free, but they have choices. My plan Better Care is fully paid for without raising middle class tax options.

0:25:06 Jake: Thank you Congressman.

0:25:06 CD: So when we think about this debate, there’s Medicare for All, which is extreme…

0:25:09 Jake: Thank you Congressman.

0:25:09 CD: I was interrupted, one second here.

0:25:11 Jake: I wanna bring in Governor Hickenlooper. Governor Hickenlooper, I’d like to hear what you have to say about Senator Warren’s suggestion that those people on the stage who are not in favor of Medicare for All, lack the political will to fight for it.

0:25:23 GH: Well, obviously, I disagree with that as much as I respect both of the Senators to my right. It comes down to that question of Americans being used to being able to make choices, to have the right to make a decision, and I think proposing a public option that allows some form of Medicare that maybe is a combination of Medicare Advantage and Medicare but people choose it and if enough people choose it, it expands, the quality improves, the cost comes down, more people choose it, eventually in 15 years, you could get there but it would be an evolution, not a revolution.

0:25:55 Jake: Thank you Governor. Senator Warren?

0:25:57 SW: We have tried this experiment with the insurance companies and what they’ve done is, they’ve sucked billions of dollars out of our healthcare system, and they force people to have to fight to try to get the health care coverage that their doctors and nurses say that they need. Why does everybody, why does every doctor, why does every hospital have to fill out so many complicated forms? It’s because it gives insurance companies a chance to say no, and to push that cost back on the patients. That’s what we have to…

0:26:28 Jake: Thank you Senator Warren. I wanna bring in Marianne Williamson. Miss Williamson, how do you respond to the criticism from Senator Warren that you’re not willing to fight for Medicare for all?

0:26:38 MW: [chuckle] I don’t know if Senator Warren said that about me specifically. I admire very much what Senator Warren has said and what Bernie has said, but I have to say I have a… I’m normally way over there with Bernie and Elizabeth on this one. I hear the others and I have some concern about that as well, and I do have concern about what the Republicans would say, and that’s not just a Republican talking point. I do have concern that it will be difficult, I have concern that it will make it harder to win, and I have a concern that it will make it harder to govern because if that’s our big fight…

0:27:09 Jake: Thank you Miss Williamson.

0:27:09 MW: Then the Republicans will so shut us down on everything else.

0:27:12 Jake: I wanna bring in Mayor Buttigieg. Mayor Buttigieg. Your Response?

0:27:12 MB: It is time to stop worrying about what the Republicans will say.

0:27:16 MW: Yes.

0:27:17 MB: Look if…


0:27:18 MB: If it’s true, that if we embrace a far left agenda, they’re gonna say, we’re a bunch of crazy socialists. If we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they’re gonna do? They’re gonna say, we’re a bunch of crazy socialists. So, let’s just stand up for the right policy, go out there, and defend it.


0:27:34 MB: That’s the policy I’m putting forward, not ’cause I think it’s the right triangulation between Republicans here and Democrats here, because I think it’s the right answer for people like my mother-in-law, who is here, whose life was saved by the ACA, but who is still far too vulnerable to the fact that the insurance industry does not care about her.

0:27:47 Jake: Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg. Senator Sanders your response?

0:27:50 SS: Let’s be clear, what this debate is about. Nobody can defend the dysfunctionality of the current system. What we are taking on is the fact that over the last 20 years, the drug companies and the insurance companies have spent $4.5 billion of your health insurance money on lobbying, and campaign contributions. That is why when I went to Canada the other day, people paid one-tenth the price in Canada for insulin that they’re paying in the United States.


0:28:20 Jake: Thank you Senator. I wanna bring in Congressman Tim Ryan. Congressman Ryan, your response?

0:28:26 CR: So here we are in Detroit, home of the United Auto Workers, we have all our union friends here tonight. This plan that’s being offered by Senator Warren and Senator Sanders will tell those union members who gave away wages in order to get good healthcare that they’re gonna lose their healthcare ’cause Washington’s gonna come in and tell them they got a better plan. This is the left and right thing. New and better is this: Move Medicare down to 50, allow people to buy in. Kaiser Permanente said that if those 60 million people do that, they will see a 40% reduction in their healthcare cost.

0:28:57 Jake: Thank you Congressman. Thank you Congressman.

0:29:02 CR: Let businesses buy in, Jake…

0:29:04 Jake: Senator, let’s talk about that. If Medicare for all was enacted, there are more than 600,000 union members here in Michigan who would be forced to give up their private health care plans. Now I understand that it would provide universal coverage, but can you guarantee those union members that the benefits under Medicare for All will be as good as the benefits that their representatives, their union reps, fought hard to negotiate?

0:29:26 SS: Well, two things: They will be better because Medicare for all is comprehensive. It covers all healthcare needs for senior citizens. It will finally include dental care, hearing aids, and eye glasses.

0:29:38 CR: But you don’t know that.

0:29:38 SS: Second of all…

0:29:39 CR: You don’t know that, Bernie.

0:29:40 SS: Second of all…

0:29:40 Jake: We’ll come to you in a second congressman…

0:29:42 SS: I do know it, I wrote the damn bill.



0:29:45 SS: And second of all, second of all, many of our union brothers and sisters… Nobody more pro-union than me up here… Are now paying high deductibles and co-payments and when we do Medicare for All instead of having the company putting money into health care, they can get decent wage increases, which they’re not getting today.

0:30:05 S?: I just wanted to…

0:30:06 Jake: I wanna bring in Congressman Ryan to respond to what Senator Sanders has said.

0:30:09 CR: I mean, Senator Sanders does not know all of the union contracts in the United States. I’m trying to explain that these union members are losing their jobs, their wages have been stagnant, the world is crumbling around them, the only thing they have is possibly really good healthcare and the democratic message is gonna be, “we’re gonna go in and the only thing you have left, we’re gonna take it and we’re gonna do better.” I do not think that’s a recipe for success for us, it’s bad policy and it’s certainly bad politics.

0:30:38 Jake: Congressman Delaney?

0:30:40 CD: So, the bill that Senator Sanders drafted by definition will lower quality in healthcare because it says specifically that the rates will be the same as current Medicare rates and the data is clear, Medicare does not cover the cost of healthcare. It covers 80% of the cost of healthcare in this country, and private insurance covers 120%. So if you start under paying all the healthcare providers, you’re gonna create a two-tier market, where wealthy people buy their healthcare with cash and the people who are forced, like my dad, the union electrician…

0:31:12 Jake: Thank you Congressman.

0:31:12 CD: Will have that healthcare plan taken away from him.

0:31:14 Jake: Thank you Congressman.

0:31:15 CD: They will be forced to be in an under funded system…

0:31:17 Jake: I wanna give Senator Sanders… I wanna give Senator Sanders a chance to respond.

0:31:19 SS: On the Medicare for all the hospitals will save substantial sums of money because they’re not gonna be spending a fortune doing billing and the other bureaucratic things that they have to do today.

0:31:30 CD: I’ve done the math it doesn’t add up.

0:31:31 SS: Second of all… Maybe you did that and made money off of healthcare but our job is to run a nonprofit healthcare system. Furthermore, furthermore, when we save 500 billion dollars a year by ending all of the incredible complexities that are driving every American crazy trying to deal with the health insurance company hospitals will be better off…

0:31:52 Jake: Thank you Senator. Congressman Delaney, I wanna let you have a chance to respond.

0:31:56 CD: Listen, his math is wrong. That’s all I’m saying. That his math is wrong. It’s been well-documented that if all the bills were paid at Medicare rate, which is specifically, I think it’s in section 1200 of their bill, then many hospitals in this country would close. I’ve been going around rural America, and I asked rural hospital administrators one question, if all your bills were paid at the Medicare rate last year, what would happen? And they all look at me and say, “We would close.” But the question is, why do we have to be so extreme, why can’t we just give everyone healthcare as a right and allow them to have choice? I’m starting to think this is not about healthcare, this is an anti-private sector strategy.

0:32:33 Dana: Thank you congressman, so… Thank you congressman, thank you congressman. We’re gonna move on to the issue of immigration, now. There is widespread agreement on this stage on the need for immigration reform, a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, including dreamers, but there are some areas of disagreement. Mayor Buttigieg, you’re in favor of getting rid of the law that makes it a crime to come across the US border illegally. Why won’t that just encourage more illegal immigration?

0:33:01 MB: When I’m President, illegally crossing the border will still be illegal. We can argue over the finer points of which parts of this ought to be handled by civil law and which parts ought to be handled by criminal law. But we’ve got a crisis on our hands and it’s not just a crisis of immigration, it’s a crisis of cruelty and incompetence that has created a humanitarian disaster on our Southern border. It is a stain on the United States of America. Americans want comprehensive immigration reform and frankly, we’ve been talking about the same framework for my entire adult lifetime. Protections for Dreamers, making sure that we have a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented, cleaning up lawful immigration. We know what to do, we know the border security can be part of that package and we can still be a nation of laws. The problem is, we haven’t had the will to get it done, in Washington. And now we have a president who could fix it in a month because there is that bipartisan agreement. But he needs it to be a crisis, rather than an achievement. That will end on my watch.

0:34:00 Dana: Just a point of clarification, you did raise your hand in the last debate, you do want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally.

0:34:07 MB: So in my view, if fraud is involved, then that’s suitable for the criminal statute. If not, then it should be handled under civil law. But these show of hands are exactly what is wrong with the way that this race is being played.

0:34:17 Dana: We’re not doing that here. Congressman…

0:34:18 MB: We appreciate that.

0:34:19 Dana: Thank you. Congressman O’Rourke, you live near the US-Mexico border in El Paso. You disagree with Mayor Buttigieg on de-criminalizing illegal border crossings, please respond.

0:34:29 CO: I do, because in my administration after we have waived citizenship fees for Green Card holders, more than 9 million of our fellow Americans, freed dreamers from any fear of deportation and stopped criminally prosecuting families and children for seeking asylum and refuge. End for-profit detention in this country, and then assist those countries in Central America so that no family ever has to make that 2,000 mile journey. Then I expect that people who come here follow our laws and we reserve the right to criminally prosecute them if they do not.

0:35:02 Dana: Thank you Congressman. Senator Warren, you say the provision making illegal border crossings a crime is totally unnecessary, please respond.

0:35:10 SW: So the problem is that right now the criminalization statute is what gives Donald Trump the ability to take children away from their parents, it’s what gives him the ability to lock up people at our borders. We need to continue to have border security, and we can do that, but what we can’t do is not live our values. I’ve been down to the border. I have seen the mothers, I have seen the cages of babies, we must be a country that everyday lives our values and that means we cannot make it a crime…

0:35:45 Dana: Thank you Senator Warren, just to clarify…

0:35:47 SW: When someone comes here.

0:35:47 Dana: Thank you senator, just to clarify, would you decriminalize…

0:35:50 SW: Yes.

0:35:50 Dana: Illegal border crossings?

0:35:51 SW: The point is not about criminalization, that has given Donald Trump the tool to break families apart.

0:36:00 Dana: Thank you senator.

0:36:00 S?: That’s not true.

0:36:00 SW: We need…

0:36:00 Dana: Governor Hickenlooper, your response.

0:36:03 GH: No, I agree that we need secure borders. There’s no question about that. The frustration with what’s going on in Washington, is they’re kicking the ball back and forth. Secure the borders make sure whatever law we have doesn’t allow children to be snatched from their parents and put in cages, how hard can that be? We’ve got… On the two debate nights we’ve got 107 years of Washington experience, somehow it seems like that should be fairly fixable.

0:36:27 SW: Well, and one way to fix it is to decriminalize, that’s the whole point. What we’re looking for here is a way to take away the tool that Donald Trump…

0:36:37 Dana: Thank you Senator Warren.

0:36:37 SW: Has used to break up families.

0:36:38 Dana: Thank you Senator Warren. Senator Klobuchar, your response.

0:36:41 SK: I would say there is the will to change this in Congress. What’s missing is the right person in the White House. I believe that immigrants don’t diminish America, they are America. And if you wanna do something about border security, you first of all, change the rules so people can seek asylum in those northern triangle countries. Then you pass the bill and what the bill will do is it’ll rightly reduce the deficit and give us some money for border security and for border help processing the cases. And most of all, it will allow for a path to citizenship because this is not just about the border.

0:37:16 Dana: Thank you.

0:37:16 SK: Donald Trump wants to use these people as political pawns.

0:37:19 Dana: Thank you Senator Klobuchar.

0:37:19 SK: When we have people all over our country, that simply wanna work and obey the law.

0:37:24 Dana: Thank you. Senator Sanders, you want to provide undocumented immigrants free healthcare and free college. Why won’t this drive even more people to come to the US illegally?

0:37:34 SS: We’ll have strong border protections. But the main point I wanna make is that what Trump is doing, through his racism and his xenophobia is demonizing a group of people. And as President, I will end that demonization. If a mother and a child walk thousands of miles on a dangerous path, in my view they are not criminals.


0:38:00 SS: They are people fleeing violence and I think the main thing that we’ve got to do, among many others, Beto made this point. We’ve gotta ask ourselves, “Why are people walking 2000 miles to a strange country where they don’t know the language?” So what we will do, the first week we are in the White House is bring the entire hemisphere together to talk about how we rebuild Honduras…

0:38:22 Dana: Thank You.

0:38:23 SS: Guatemala and El Salvador so people do not have to flee their own countries.

0:38:26 Dana: Thank you Senator. Governor Bullock, about two-thirds of Democratic voters, and many of your rivals here for the nomination support giving health insurance to undocumented immigrants. You haven’t gone that far, why not?

0:38:38 GB: Look, I think this isn’t part of the discussion that shows how often these debates are detached from people’s lives. We got 100,000 people showing up the border right now. If we de-criminalize entry, if we give health care to everyone, we’ll have multiples of that. Don’t take my word. That was President Obama’s Homeland Security secretary, that said that. The biggest problem right now that we have with immigration, it’s Donald Trump. He’s using immigration to not only rip apart families, but rip apart this country. We can actually get to the point where we have safe borders, where we have a path to citizenship, where we have opportunities for Dreamers. And you don’t have to de-criminalize everything. What you have to do is have a president in there with the judgement and the decency to treat someone that comes to the border, like one of our own.

0:39:33 SW: You know, I just…

0:39:34 Dana: Senator add on this. He just said your plan is unrealistic, how do you respond?

0:39:39 SW: I think that what we have to do is we have to be an America that is clear about what we wanna do with immigration. We need to expand legal immigration. We need to create a path for citizenship, not just for Dreamers, but for grandmas and for people who have been working here in the farms and for students who have overstayed their visas. We need to fix the crisis at the border. And a big part of how we do that is we do not play into Donald Trump’s hands. He wants to stir up the crisis of the border because that’s his overall message. It’s if there’s anything wrong in your life, blame them.

0:40:14 Dana: Thank you Senator Warren. Governor Bullock, your response.

0:40:17 GB: But you are playing into Donald Trump’s hands. The challenge isn’t, that it’s a criminal offense to cross the border. The challenge is that Donald Trump is president and using this to rip families apart. A sane immigration system needs a sane leader and we can do that without decriminalizing and providing healthcare for everyone. And it’s not me saying that, that’s Obama’s Homeland Security secretary that said, “You’ll cause further problems at the border, not making it better”.

0:40:50 SW: What you’re saying is ignore the law. Laws matter, and it matters if we say, “Our law is that we will lock people up who come here seeking refuge, who come here seeking asylum”, that is not a crime. And as Americans, what we need to do is have a sane system that keeps us safe at the border, but does not criminalize the activity of a mother fleeing here for safety.

[overlapping conversation]

0:41:19 Dana: Thank you senator Warren. Thank you. Congressman Ryan, are senator Sanders proposals going to incentivize undocumented immigrants to come into this country illegally?

0:41:27 CR: Yes. And right now, if you wanna come into the country, you should at least ring the door bell. We have asylum laws. I saw the kids up in Grand Rapids, not far from here. It is shameful what’s happening, but Donald Trump is doing it. And even if you decriminalize, which we should not do, you still have statutory authority. The president could still use his authority to separate families. So we’ve got to get rid of Donald Trump. But you don’t decriminalize people just walking into the United States if they’re seeking asylum. Of course, we wanna welcome them. We’re a strong enough country to be able to welcome them. And as far as the healthcare goes, undocumented people can buy healthcare too. Everyone else in America is paying for their health care. I don’t think it’s a stretch for us to ask undocumented people in the country, to also pay for healthcare.

0:42:17 Dana: Senator Sanders, your response.

0:42:19 SS: Well, I, two things, a sane immigration policy moves the comprehensive immigration reform. It moves to a humane border policy in which, by the way, we have enough administrative judges, so that we don’t have incredible backlogs that we have right now. But to answer your question, I happen to believe that when I talk about healthcare it’s a human right that applies to all people in this country and under a Medicare for All single-payer system, we could afford to do that.

0:42:52 Dana: Senator Sanders, thank you. Ms. Williamson your response.

0:42:54 MW: Everything that we’re talking about here tonight is what’s wrong with American politics. And the democratic party needs to understand that we should be the party that talks not just about symptoms, but also about causes. When we’re talking about health care, we need to talk about more than just the healthcare plan. We need to realize we have a sickness care rather than a healthcare system. We need to be the party talking about, why so many of our chemical policies and our food policies and our agricultural policies and our environmental policies and even our economic policies are leading to people getting sick to begin with.

0:43:23 Jake: Thank you.

0:43:23 MW: That’s what the democratic… But I want to say more about immigration…

0:43:26 Jake: Thank you Ms. Williamson. Thank you Ms. Williamson.

0:43:27 MW: Okay. I hope you’ll come back to me this time.

0:43:28 Jake: Go ahead. Thank you Ms. Williamson. Let’s turn now to the issue of gun violence. There were three large-scale shootings this past weekend in America, at a park in Brooklyn, on the streets of Philadelphia and one that left three dead and 12 injured at a food festival in Gilroy, California. Governor Buttigieg, excuse me, Mayor Buttigieg other than offering words of comfort, what are you specifically going to do to stop this epidemic of gun violence?

0:43:52 MB: Well, this epidemic of gun violence has hit my community too, far too many times. It’s the worst part of being Mayor. Getting the phone call. Consoling grieving parents. And we have a mass shootings worth of killings every day in this country. What we’re doing hasn’t worked, because we haven’t had a system in Washington capable of delivering what the American people have told us they want. 80, 90% of Republicans want universal background checks. Not to mention the common sense solution… Laws, that disarm domestic abusers, and flag mental health risks and an end to assault weapons, things like what I carried overseas in uniform that have no business in American neighborhoods in peacetime, let alone anywhere near a school. I was at an event a few days ago, and a 13-year-old asked me what we we’re gonna do about school safety and then began shaking and then began crying. And we could talk about these policies, but we already know the policies. The only thing I could think of looking into the eyes of this child is, we’re supposed to be dealing with this, so you don’t have to. High school is hard enough, without having to worry about whether you’re going to get shot.

0:45:00 Jake: Thank you.

0:45:00 MB: And when 90% of Americans want something to happen…

0:45:02 Jake: Thank you, Mayor.

0:45:03 MB: And Washington can’t deliver, we can’t expect the same…

0:45:04 Jake: Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mayor. Governor Hickenlooper, your response please?

0:45:06 SK: I disagree. I disagree with his diagnosis of the problem.

0:45:08 Jake: Please standby, Senator. Please stick to the rules. We’ll get to you, we’ll come to you in a just a minute. Governor Hickenlooper, please respond.

0:45:14 GH: Well, this is the fundamental nonsense of government, another thing, another place where, despite our best efforts, we can’t seem to make any progress. When I went to the movie theater in Aurora in 2012, and saw that footage of what happened at that crime scene, I’ll never forget it. And we decided that we were gonna go out and take on the NRA, and we passed, as a purple state, we passed universal background checks, we limited magazine capacity. We did the basic work that, for whatever reason, doesn’t seem to be able to get done in Washington.

0:45:48 Jake: Thank you, Governor. Senator Klobuchar, please respond.

0:45:50 SK: Yes, this isn’t just about a system, or it’s not just about words. This is about the NRA. I sat across from the president of the United States after Parkland, because I’ve been a leader on these issues and have the will to close the boyfriend loophole. And I watched and wrote down when, nine times, he said he wanted universal background checks. The next day, he goes and he meets with the NRA, and he folds. As your president, I will not fold. I will make sure that we get universal background checks passed, the assault weapon ban, that we do something about magazines, and that we understand when that six little… Little six-year-old boy died, Stephen Romero, when his dad said, “He’s only six years old.” all I can say…

0:46:33 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Mayor Buttigieg, please respond.

0:46:33 SK: Is he’s six years old. We have to remember that.

0:46:36 MB: This is the exact same conversation we’ve been having since I was in high school. I was a junior when the Columbine shooting happened. I was part of the first generation that saw routine school shootings. We have now produced the second school shooting generation in this country. We’d better not allow there to be a third. Something is broken if it is even possible for the same debate around the same solutions that we all know are the right thing to do. They won’t prevent every incident, they won’t save every life, but we know what to do, and it has not happened.

0:47:08 Jake: Thank you, Mayor. Senator Klobuchar, please respond.

0:47:10 SK: Yes. What is broken is a political system that allows the NRA and other large, big money to come in and make things not happen when the majority of people are for it. The people are with us now. After Parkland, those students just didn’t march. They talked to their dads and their grandpas and the hunters in their family, and they said, “There must be a better way.” Then we elected people in the House of Representatives, and guess what? It changed. And they passed universal background checks. And now that bill is sitting on Mitch McConnell’s doorstep because of the money and the power of the NRA. As president, I will take them on.

0:47:44 Jake: Thank you, Senator.

0:47:44 SK: This is not about systems and words.

0:47:47 Jake: Thank you, Senator Klobuchar.


0:47:47 Jake: Governor Bullock, how can Democrats trust you to be the leader on this fight for gun safety when you only changed your position to call for an assault weapons ban last summer?

0:47:58 GB: 40% of American households… I’m a gun-owner. I hunt. Far too many people in America… I’ve been personally impacted by gun violence. Had an 11-year-old nephew, Jeremy, shot and killed on a playground. We need to start looking at this as a public health issue, not a political issue. I agree with Senator Klobuchar, it is the NRA. And it’s not just gun violence, it’s when we talk about climate, when we talk about prescription drug costs, Washington, DC is captured by dark money, the Koch brothers, and others. That’s been the fight of my career. Kicking the Koch brothers out of Montana, taking the first case after Citizens United up to the Supreme Court, making it so that elections are about people. That’s the way we’re actually gonna make a change on this, Don, is by changing that system. And most of the things that folks are talking about on this stage. We’re not going to address until we kick dark money and the post-Citizens United corporate spending out of these elections.

0:49:00 Jake: Congressman O’Rourke, your response?

0:49:03 CO: How else can we explain that we lose nearly 40,000 people in this country to gun violence, a number that no other country comes even close to, that we know what all the solutions are, and yet nothing has changed? It is because, in this country, money buys influence, access, and, increasingly, outcomes. The Centers for Disease Control prevented from actually studying the issue in the first place. As president, we will make sure that we ban political action committee contributions to any member of Congress or any candidate for federal office. We will listen to people, not PACs, people, not corporations, people, not special interests. It’s not…

0:49:40 Jake: Congressman, thank you very much.


0:49:42 Jake: Senator Sanders, you said this in 2013, just months after the Sandy Hook massacre, and I quote here: “If you pass the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.” Do you still agree with that statement today?

0:49:56 SS: I think we have got to do… I think what I meant is what President Obama said, in that nobody up here is gonna tell you that we have a magical solution to the crisis. Now, I come from one of the most rural states in America. I have a D-minus voting record from the NRA. And as president, I suspect it will be an F record. What I believe we have got to do is have the guts to finally take on the NRA. You asked me about my record. Back in 1988, coming from a state that had no gun control, I called for the ban of the sale and distribution of assault weapons. I lost that election. I will do everything I can not only to take on the NRA, but to expand and create universal background checks, do away with the Straw Man provision, do away with the gun show loophole, and do away with the loopholes that now exist for gun manufacturers who are selling large amounts of weapons into communities that are going to gangs.

0:50:56 Jake: Yeah. Mayor Buttigieg, your response.

0:50:57 MB: Still the conversation that we’ve been having for the last 20 years. Of course we need to get money out of politics. But when I propose the actual structural Democratic reforms that might make a difference, end the Electoral College, amend the constitution, if necessary, to clear up Citizens United, have DC actually be a state, and depoliticize the Supreme Court with structural reform, people look at me funny, as if this country were incapable of structural reform. Does anybody really think we’re gonna overtake Citizens United without constitutional action? This is a country that once changed its constitution so you couldn’t drink, and then changed it back because we changed our minds about that.

0:51:32 Jake: Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

0:51:32 MB: And you’re telling me we can’t reform our democracy in our time?

0:51:35 Jake: Thank you, Mayor.

0:51:35 MB: We have to or we’ll be having the same argument 20 years from now.

0:51:38 Jake: Please respond, Governor Bullock.

0:51:41 GB: You can make changes. Even in Montana with a two-thirds Republican legislature, we passed a law that said if you’re gonna spend money in our elections. I don’t care if you call yourself Americans for America for America. You’re gonna have to disclose every one of those dollars in the last 90 days. I’ll never forget, run for re-election in 2016, even we stopped the Koch brothers from spending at that time. If we can kick the Koch brothers out of Montana, we can do it in DC, we can do it everywhere. And we’re also taking steps, additional steps, so we’ve taken, I passed an executive order. If you’re even in a contract with the state, you have to disclose.

0:52:15 Jake: Thank you. Governor Bullock, thank you very much. Ms. Williamson, how do you respond to this issue of gun safety?

0:52:17 MW: I want to have a chance on this. The issue of gun safety, of course, is that the NRA has us in a chokehold. But so does the pharmaceutical companies, so do the health insurance companies, so do the fossil fuel companies, and so do the defense contractors. And none of this will change until we either pass a constitutional amendment, or pass legislation that establishes public funding for federal campaigns. But for politicians, including my fellow candidates who themselves have taken tens of thousands, and in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars from these same corporate donors, to think that they now have the moral authority to say we’re gonna take them on. I don’t think the Democratic Party should be surprised that so many Americans believe, “yada, yada, yada”. It is time for us to start over with people who have not taken donations from any of these corporations and can say with real moral authority, “that is over”. We are going to establish public funding for federal campaigns, that’s what we need to stand up to. We need to have a constitutional amendment, we need to have have legislation to do it, and until we do it, it’s just the same old, same old.

0:53:15 Jake: Thank you. Thank you Ms. Williamson. The debate will be right back, right after this short break.


0:53:23 Jake: We are live from Detroit, Michigan. In poll after poll, Democratic voters say that they want a candidate who can beat President Trump more than they want a candidate who agrees with them on major issues. Governor Hickenlooper, you ran a Facebook ad that warned, quote: “Socialism is not the answer”. The ad also said, “Don’t let extremes give Trump four more years”. Are you saying that Senator Sanders is too extreme to beat President Trump?

0:53:53 GH: I’m saying the policies of this notion that you’re gonna take private insurance away from a 180 million Americans, who many of them don’t wanna give it… Many of them do wanna get rid of it but some don’t, many don’t. Or you’re gonna… The Green New Deal, make sure that every American is guaranteed the government job that they want. That is a disaster at the [0:54:11] ____ you might as well FedEx the election to Donald Trump. I think we gotta focus on where Donald Trump is failing. The word malpractice, and this is interesting, I always thought it was doctors or lawyers. It’s negligent improper, illegal professional activity for doctors, lawyers, or public officials. Google it, check it out. Donald Trump is malpractice personified. We’ve gotta point that out. Why is it soybean farmers in Iowa need 10 good years to get back to where they were two years ago? Where is the small manufacturing jobs that are supposed to come back? Why are we lurching from one international crisis to another? All things that he promised American voters, we gotta focus on that. And the economy and jobs and training, so that we can promise a future for America, that everybody wants to invest in.

0:55:00 Jake: Thank you, Governor. Senator Sanders, you are a proud democratic socialist. How do you respond to Governor Hickenlooper?

0:55:04 SS: Well, the truth is that every credible poll that I have seen has me beating Donald Trump, including the battleground states of Michigan, where I won the Democratic primary. Wisconsin, where I won the Democratic primary and Pennsylvania. And the reason we are gonna defeat Trump, and beat him badly, is that he is a fraud and a phoney and we’re gonna expose him for what he is. The American people want to have a minimum wage, which is a living wage, 15 bucks an hour. I’ve helped lead that effort. The American people want to pay reasonable prices for prescription drugs, not the highest prices in the world. I’ve helped lead the effort for that as well.

0:55:47 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Governor Hickenlooper, I want to bring you back to respond.

0:55:49 GH: So again, I think if we’re gonna force Americans to make these radical changes, they’re not gonna go along. Throw your hands up, but you have it in… Whoa I can do it, but you haven’t implemented the plans. Us governors and mayors are the ones that we have to pick up all the pieces. When suddenly the government’s supposed to take over all these responsibilities, and there’s no preparation, the details aren’t worked. You can’t just spring a plan on the world, and expect it to succeed.

0:56:15 SS: John.

0:56:15 Jake: Senator Sanders.

0:56:17 SS: John, I was a mayor, and I helped transform my city. I have some practical experience. Second of all, on… Interestingly enough, today is the anniversary of Medicare, 54 years ago, under Linda Johnson of the Democratic Congress, they started a new program. After 1 year, 19 million elderly people in it. Please don’t tell me that in a four-year period, we cannot go from 65 down to 55 to 45 to 35. This is not radical. This is what virtually every other country on earth wants. We are the odd dog out.

0:56:50 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator. I wanna bring in Congressman Ryan. You’re from the state of Ohio. It’s a state that voted twice for Obama and then went to President Trump in 2016. Please respond to Senator Sanders.

0:57:00 CR: I would just say, Hillary Clinton was winning in the polls, too. To take a snapshot in the polls today, and apply it 16 months from now, whenever it is, I don’t think it’s accurate. Now, in this discussion already tonight, we’ve talked about taking private health insurance away from union members in the industrial Midwest. We’ve talked about decriminalizing the border, and we’ve talked about giving free healthcare to undocumented workers when so many Americans are struggling to pay for their healthcare. I quite frankly don’t think that that is an agenda that we can move forward on and win. We’ve gotta talk about the working class issues, the people that take a shower after work, who haven’t had a raise in 30 years. If we focus on them, we will win the election.

0:57:39 Jake: Thank you, Congressman. I wanna bring in Congressmen O’Rourke, your response, sir.

0:57:42 CO: Bernie was talking about some of the battleground states, in which we compete. There’s a new battleground state, Texas. And it has 38 electoral college votes. And the way that we put it in play was by going to each one of those 254 counties, no matter how red or rural, we did not write you off. No matter how blue or urban, we did not take you for granted and we didn’t trim our sales either. We had the courage of our convictions, talking about universal healthcare, comprehensive immigration reform, and confronting the challenge of climate before it is too late. We brought everyone in and now we have a chance to beat Donald Trump with Texas.

0:58:16 Jake: Thank you, Congressman. I wanna bring in Governor Bullock. We’re talking about whether Democrats are moving too far to the left to win the White House. President Trump won your home state of Montana by 20 points. How do you respond, sir?

0:58:26 GB: Yeah, it’s the only one of the field of 37 that actually won a Trump state. 25 to 30% of my voters voted for Donald Trump. I know that we do have to win back some of those places we lost and get those Trump voters back if we’re ever going to win. But this isn’t just a choice between the left and the center, it’s not a choice just between sort of these wish list economics or thinking that we have to sacrifice our values to actually win. What folks want is a fair shot. The way I won, the way we can win, is actually focusing on the economy and democracy aren’t working for most people.

0:59:01 Jake: Thank you, Governor.

0:59:01 GB: That’s how I win, that’s how we can take back the office.

0:59:04 Jake: Thank you, Governor. Senator Warren, you make it a point to say that you’re a capitalist. Is that your way of convincing voters that you might be a safer choice than Senator Sanders?

0:59:11 SW: No, it is my way of talking about I know how to fight and I know how to win. I took on giant banks and I beat them. I took on Wall Street, and CEOs and their lobbyists and their lawyers and I beat them. I took on a popular Republican incumbent senator and I beat him. I remember when people said Barack Obama couldn’t get elected. Shoot, I remember when people said Donald Trump couldn’t get elected. But here’s where we are. I get it. There is a lot at stake and people are scared, but we can’t choose a candidate we don’t believe in just because we’re too scared to do anything else. And we can’t ask other people to vote for a candidate we don’t believe in. Democrats win when we figure out what is right and we get out there and fight for it. I am not afraid. And for Democrats to win you can’t be afraid either.

1:00:11 Jake: Congressman Delaney, your response?


1:00:15 CD: So I think Democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises. When we run on things that are workable, not fairy tale economics. Look at the story of Detroit, this amazing city that we’re in. This city is turning around because the government and the private sector are working well together. That has to be our model going forward. We need to encourage collaboration between the government, the private sector and the non-profit sector, and focus on those kitchen table pocketbook issues that matter to hard-working Americans, building infrastructure, creating jobs, improving their pay, creating universal health care…

1:00:51 Jake: Thank you, Congressman.

1:00:51 CD: And lowering drug prices. We can do it!

1:00:52 Jake: Thank you, Congressman. Senator Warren?

1:00:53 SW: I don’t understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for President of the United States just to talk about what we really can’t do and shouldn’t fight for. I don’t get it. Our biggest problem in Washington is corruption. It is giant corporations that have taken our government and that are holding it by the throat, and we need to have the courage to fight back against that. And until we’re ready to do that, it’s just more of the same. Well, I’m ready to get in this fight, I’m ready to win this fight.

1:01:29 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Congressman Delaney?

1:01:31 CD: When we created Social Security, we didn’t say pensions were illegal, right? We can have big ideas to transform the lives. I started two companies and took them public before I was 40. I’m as big of a dreamer and an entrepreneur as anyone. But I also believe we need to have solutions that are workable. Can you imagine if we tried to start Social Security now, but said private pensions are illegal? That’s the equivalent of what Senator Sanders and Senator Warren are proposing with healthcare. That’s not a big idea, that’s an idea that’s dead on arrival, that will never happen. So, why don’t we actually talk about things, big ideas that we can get done.

1:02:07 Jake: Thank you, Congressman.

1:02:07 CD: The stakes are too high.

1:02:09 Jake: Senator Warren?

1:02:10 SS: He just mentioned my name.

1:02:11 Jake: We’ll come to you right after that. Senator Warren?

1:02:14 SW: He talks… He talks about solutions that are workable. We have tried the solution of Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance. And what have the private insurance companies done? They’ve sucked billions of dollars out of our healthcare system, they’ve made everybody fill out dozens and dozens of forms. Why? Not because they are trying to track your healthcare. They just want one more excuse to say no. Insurance companies do not have a God-given right to suck money out of our healthcare system.

1:02:47 Jake: Thank you, Senator.

1:02:47 SW: And 2020 is our chance to stop that.

1:02:49 Jake: Senator Sanders?

1:02:50 SS: Well, Detroit was mentioned, and I’m delighted that Detroit is rebounding, but let us understand Detroit was nearly destroyed because of awful trade policy which allowed corporations to throw workers in this community out on the street, as they moved to low wage countries. To win this election and to defeat Donald Trump, which by the way, in my view, it’s not gonna be easy, we need to have a campaign of energy and excitement and of vision. We need to bring millions of young people into the political process in a way that we have never seen, by and among other things.

1:03:27 Jake: Thank you, Senator.

1:03:28 SS: Making public colleges and universities tuition free. And cancelling student debt.

1:03:35 Jake: Thank you, Senator.


1:03:39 Jake: I wanna bring in Senator Klobuchar. At the beginning of the night, you said, “You’re gonna hear a lot of promises on the stage.” And previously, you have said, when asked about your primary opponents, “A lot of people are making promises and I’m not gonna make promises just to get elected.” Who on this stage is making promises just to get elected?

1:03:57 SK: Everyone wants to get elected. But my point is this, I think, when we have a guy in the White House that has now told over 10,000 lies, that we better be very straightforward with the American people. And no, do I think that we are gonna end up voting for a plan that kicks half of America off of their current insurance in four years? No, I don’t think we’re gonna do that. I think there is a better way to get what we all wanna see which is lower costs for healthcare. Do I think that we’re gonna vote to give free college to the wealthiest kids? No, I don’t think we’re gonna do that. So that’s what I’m talking about. But what I don’t like about this argument right now, what I don’t like about it at all, is that we are more worried about winning an argument than winning an election.

1:04:43 SK: And I think how we win an election is to bring everyone with us. And yes, I have won in a state, every single time, statewide, I have won those congressional districts that Donald Trump won by over 20 points. He just targeted Minnesota last week, and I’ve done it by getting out there and talking to people, by knowing rural issues and farm issues and bringing metro people with me in this state that had the highest voter turnout in the country. That’s what we want.

1:05:05 Jake: Thank you, Senator Klobuchar. Thank you, Senator Klobuchar. Thank you, Senator. I wanna bring in Congressman O’Rourke. Congressman O’Rourke, please respond.

1:05:14 CO: I think a big part of leadership and showing our commitment to the American people is delivering on our commitments. As a member of Congress, when I learned that the El Paso VA had the worst wait times for mental health care in the country, meaning that care delayed functionally became care denied, and was related to the suicide epidemic, we made it our priority, and we turned around the VA in El Paso. We took that lesson nationally, and I worked with Republican and Democratic colleagues to expand mental health care to veterans, and we got it signed into law by the one person with whom I agree on almost nothing, Donald Trump. To show that, at the end of the day, we will put the American people first before party, before any other concern.

1:05:53 Dana: Thank you. Thank you, Congressman O’Rourke. We’ve been asking voters to weigh in on what they’d most like to hear Democrats debate. Among the topics they told us they’re most interested in, the climate crisis. Congressman Delaney, I’ll start with you. You say the Green New Deal is about as realistic as Trump saying Mexico was going to pay for the wall. But scientists say we need, essentially, to eliminate fossil fuel pollution by 2050 to avoid the most catastrophic consequences. Why isn’t this sweeping plan to fight the climate crisis realistic?

1:06:25 CD: Well, first of all, because it ties its progress to other things that are completely unrelated to climate, like universal healthcare, guaranteed government jobs and universal basic income. So that only makes it harder to do. My plan, which gets us to net zero by 2050, which we absolutely have to do for our kids and our grandkids, will get us there. I put a price on carbon, take all the money, give it back to the American people in a dividend. That was introduced by me on a bipartisan basis. It’s the only significant bipartisan climate bill in the Congress. I’m gonna increase the Department of Energy Research budget by five-fold because we fundamentally have to innovate our way out of this problem. I’m gonna create a market for something called direct air capture, which are machines that actually take carbon out of the atmosphere. Because I don’t think we’ll get to net zero by 2050 unless we have those things. I’m gonna increase investment in renewables, and I’m gonna create something called the Climate Corps. That is a plan that’s realistic. It’s a bet on the US private innovation economy and creates the incentives to get us to net zero by 2050 for our kids.

1:07:29 Dana: Thank you. Thank you, Congressman. Senator Warren, you’re a co-sponsor of the Green New Deal. Your response to Congressman Delaney?

1:07:34 SW: So climate crisis is the existential crisis for our world. It puts every living thing on this planet at risk. I have a plan for a green industrial policy that takes advantage of the fact that we do what we do best, and that is innovate and create. So I’ve proposed putting $2 trillion in so we do the research. We then say, anyone in the world can use it so long as you build it right here in America. That will produce about 1.2 million manufacturing jobs right here in Michigan, right here in Ohio, right here in the industrial Midwest. And the second thing we will do is we will then sell those products all around the world. Right now, for every $1 the United States spends trying to market around the world, China’s spending $100.

1:08:20 Dana: Thank you. Thank you, Senator Warren. Thank you, Senator Warren. Governor Hickenlooper, you take issue with the Green New Deal. Please respond.

1:08:29 GH: Well, I think the guarantee for a public job for everyone who wants one is a classic part of the problem. It’s a distraction. I share the urgency of every one up here. We have to recognize, I mean, everyone’s got good ideas. What we do in this country is no better than just a best practice, right? It’s what we do here is the best practice and a template, but it’s gotta be done all over the world. So we’ve gotta be building bridges right now with people like China, who were cheating on international agreements and stealing intellectual property. We need to work on that, but not with the tariff system. We need every country working together if we’re gonna really deal with climate change in a realistic way.

1:09:08 Dana: Thank you. Senator Warren, your response?

1:09:09 SW: Look, I put a real policy on the table to create 1.2 million new jobs in green manufacturing. There’s gonna be a $23 trillion worldwide market for this. This could revitalize huge cities across this country, and no one wants to talk about. What you wanna do instead is find the Republican talking point of a made-up piece of some other part and say, “Oh we don’t really have to do anything.” That’s the problem we’ve got in Washington right now. It continues to be a Washington that works great for oil companies, just not for people worried about climate change.

1:09:44 Dana: Thank you. Thank you, Senator Warren. Congressman Ryan, we are here in Michigan where there are about 180,000 workers in auto manufacturing. Your state of Ohio has around 96,000 workers in that industry. Senator Sanders is co-sponsoring a bill that would eliminate new gas power car sales by 2040. Given the number of auto manufacturing workers in your state, how concerned are you about Senator Sanders’ plan?

1:10:14 CR: Well, if we get our act together, we won’t have to worry about it. My plan is to create a chief manufacturing officer so we could actually start making things in the United States again, that would pull the government, the Department of Energy, Department of Transportation, work with the private sector, work with investors, emerging tech companies to dominate the electric vehicle market. China dominates it now, 50 to 60%. I want us to dominate the battery market and make those here in the United States and cut the workers in on the deal. The charging stations, solar panel, same thing. China dominates 60% of the solar panel market. So this person will work in the White House, report directly to me, and we’re gonna start making things again.

1:10:52 CR: But you cannot get there on climate unless we talk about agriculture. We need to convert our industrial agriculture system, over to a sustainable and regenerative agriculture system that actually sequesters carbon into the soil. And you can go ask Gabe Brown and Allen Williams, who actually make money off of regenerative agriculture, so we can move away from all the subsidies that we’re giving the farmers. They haven’t made a profit in five years. And we could start getting good food into our schools and into our communities. That’s gonna drive healthcare down. That’s another part of the healthcare conversation that we didn’t even have. How do we start talking about health instead of just disease care?

1:11:28 Dana: Thank you. Thank you, Congressman Ryan. Thank you. Senator Sanders, your response?

1:11:35 SS: I get a little bit tired of Democrats afraid of big ideas. Republicans are not afraid of big ideas. They could give a trillion dollars in tax breaks to billionaires and profitable corporations. They could bail out the crooks on Wall street. So please don’t tell me that we cannot take on the fossil fuel industry, and nothing happens unless we do that. Here is the bottom line. We’ve gotta ask ourselves a simple question, what do you do with an industry that knowingly, for billions of dollars in short-term profits, is destroying this planet? I say that is criminal activity.

1:12:18 Dana: Thank you.

1:12:18 SS: That can not be allowed to continue.

1:12:20 Dana: Thank you Senator Sanders. Congressman, your response.

1:12:22 CR: Well, yeah, I would just say, I didn’t say we couldn’t get there till 2040, Bernie. You don’t have to yell. All I’m saying is we have to invent our way out of this thing and if we’re waiting for 2040 for a ban to come in on gasoline vehicles, we’re screwed. So we better get busy now. And that’s why I’m saying get a chief manufacturing officer. Align the environmental incentives with the financial incentives, and make sure that people can actually make money off of the new technologies that are moving forward. And then, here’s what I’ll do as president…

1:12:57 Dana: Thank you, Congressman.

1:12:57 CR: Cut the worker in on the deal. Make sure these are union jobs and I will double union membership to make sure that these new jobs pay what the old fossil fuel jobs paid.

1:13:06 Dana: Senator Sanders, your response.

1:13:07 SS: Look, on this issue, my friends, there is no choice. We have got to be super aggressive if we love our children and if we want to leave them a planet that is healthy and is habitable. So I don’t disagree with Tim. What that means is we gotta A, take on the fossil fuel industry. B, it means we have to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy and a hell of a lot of good union jobs as we do that. We gotta transform our transportation system.

1:13:46 Dana: Thank you Senator.

1:13:47 SS: And we have to lead the world.

1:13:47 Dana: Thank you, Senator Sanders.

1:13:49 SS: Because this is not just an American issue.

1:13:51 Dana: Governor Bullock, your response.

1:13:53 GB: You know, all of us agree that we have to address climate change. No one on this stage is talking about it, the Republicans won’t even acknowledge that climate change is real, Dana. And that’s because of the corrupting influence of money. That has been the fight of my career. And second of which, as we transition to this clean energy economy, you gotta recognize there are folks that have spent their whole life powering our country. And far too often, Democrats sound like they’re part of the problem. We gotta make sure to aid in those transitions as we get to a carbon neutral world, which I think we can do by 2040.

1:14:32 Dana: Thank you, Governor. Just to clarify, who is part of the problem?

1:14:38 GB: Who? Oh, no, I think Democrats, often, when they’re saying, “Oh, these fossil fuel industries, these workers, those coal miner workers.” Look, the world’s changing, we gotta make it change. But I think Democrats often sound like the people, that as Congressman Ryan would say, shower at the end of the day, that they’re part of the problem. And far too many communities are being left behind as we make this transition.

1:15:01 Dana: Thank you.

1:15:01 GB: Look, we’re having this discussion and we can talk about competing plans.

1:15:06 Dana: Thank you, Governor. I wanna give Senator Sanders a chance to respond.

1:15:09 SS: Look Steve, ain’t nobody in the Congress who’s more strongly pro worker than I am. So when I talk about taking on the fossil fuel industry, what I am also talking about is a just transition. Alright, we can create… And what the Green New Deal is about, it’s a bold idea. We can create millions of good paying jobs. We can rebuild communities in rural America that have been devastated. So we are not anti worker.

1:15:36 S?: No.

1:15:37 SS: We are gonna provide, make sure that those workers have a transition.

1:15:40 S?: Yeah.

1:15:40 SS: New jobs.

1:15:40 Dana: Thank you, Senator.

1:15:41 SS: Healthcare and education.

1:15:42 Dana: Governor Bullock, your response.

1:15:44 GB: And look… And look, Bernie, I was a union side labor lawyer. I fought day after day, and I know, but we’ve set this up as a false choice far too often. Are we gonna actually address climate change? Fire seasons are 80 days longer in the West now. Or are we going to give people a better shot at a better life? You can do both.

1:16:06 S?: Yes.

1:16:06 GB: So let’s actually have the scientists drive this. Let’s not just talk about plans that are written for press releases that will go nowhere else if we can’t get a Republican to acknowledge that the climate’s changing.

1:16:18 Dana: Thank you Governor. Congressman O’Rourke, your response.

1:16:18 CO: I’ve listened to the sciences on this and they’re very clear. We don’t have more than 10 years to get this right. And we won’t meet that challenge with half steps or half measures or only half the country. We’ve gotta bring everyone in. The people of Detroit and those that I listened to in Flint last week, they want the challenge, they want those jobs, they wanna create the future for this country and the world. Those community college students that I met in Tucumcari, New Mexico understand that wind and solar jobs are the fastest growing jobs in the country. And those farmers in Iowa say, “Pay me for the environmental services of planting cover crops and keeping more land in conservation easements.” That’s how we meet the challenge. We do it with everyone in this country. We bring everyone into the solution.

1:17:03 Dana: Thank you Congressman. Mayor Buttigieg, your response.

1:17:05 MB: We have all put out highly similar visions on climate. It is all theoretical. We will deal with climate, if and only if, we win the presidency. If and only if we beat Donald Trump. Nominate me and you get to see the President of the United States stand next to an American war veteran, and explain why he chose to pretend to be disabled when it was his chance to serve. Nominate me and we will have a different conversation with American voters about why the President of the United States thinks you’re a sucker, when the problem in your life is your paycheck is not going up nearly as fast as the cost of housing, or the cost of education.

1:17:44 Dana: Thank you.

1:17:45 MB: Or the cost of prescription drugs. And he has done nothing about it except a tax cut for the corporations.

1:17:47 Dana: Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg. Senator Klobuchar, I wanna ask you about something that CNN heard from a Michigan Democratic primary voter. We were reaching out and getting their questions. Kimber from Birmingham, Michigan has this question, “What is your plan to address infrastructure including the water issues so another Flint, Michigan does not happen again?”

1:18:09 SK: Thank you, Dana, and I was just in Flint and they are still drinking bottled water in that town and that is outrageous. So my plan, and I am the first one that came out with an infrastructure plan, and I did that because this is a bread and butter issue. It’s a bread and butter issue for people that are caught in traffic jams. I think the governor here in Michigan smartly ran on the slogan, “Fix the damn roads.”

1:18:32 SK: And it is an issue for union jobs. And so I think what we need to do is not have a president that’s promised he was going to do that on election night, if anyone remembers. And then he hasn’t followed through. He has done nothing. He blew up a meeting at the White House. I would put $1 trillion into this, and I would pay for it by, first of all, changing the capital gains rate by doing something when it comes to that regressive tax bill that left everyone behind, but really made his Mar-a-Lago friends richer, as he promised. And I would take that money and put it in to rural broadband and green infrastructure so you won’t have what you just saw in Detroit with the Jefferson Chalmers neighborhood, the African neighborhood, that was African-American neighborhood that was most hit when you had those recent rainstorms. And I truly believe that if we’re gonna move on infrastructure and climate change, you need a voice from the heartland.

1:19:23 Dana: Thank you, Senator Klobuchar. Ms. Williamson, what’s your response on the Flint water crisis?

1:19:27 MW: My response on the Flint water crisis is that Flint is just the tip of the iceberg. I was recently in Denmark, South Carolina where it is… There is a lot of talk about it being the next Flint. We have an administration that has gutted the Clean Water Act. We have communities, particularly communities of color and disadvantaged communities all over this country, who are suffering from environmental injustice. I assure you, I lived in Grosse Pointe, what happened in Flint would not have happened in Grosse Pointe. This is part of the dark underbelly of American society.


1:20:00 MW: The racism, the bigotry, and the entire conversation that we’re having here tonight, if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then I’m afraid that the Democrats are going to see some very dark days. We need to say it like it is, it’s bigger than Flint. It’s all over this country, it’s particularly people of color, it’s particularly people who do not have the money to fight back. And if the Democrats don’t start saying it, then why would those people feel that they’re there for us, and if those people don’t feel it, they won’t vote for us, and Donald Trump will win.


1:20:32 Jake: Thank you very much, Ms. Williamson.

1:20:32 MW: Thank you.

1:20:33 Jake: We wanna turn now to the issue of race in America. Congressman O’Rourke, President Trump is pursuing a re-election strategy based in part, on racial division. How do you convince primary voters that you’d be the best nominee to take on President Trump and heal the racial divide in America?

1:20:51 CO: We’ll call his racism out for what it is, and also talk about its consequences. It doesn’t just offend our sensibilities to hear him say “Send her back” about a member of Congress, because she’s a woman color, because she’s a Muslim-American, doesn’t just offend our sensibilities when he calls Mexican immigrants “rapists and criminals,” or seeks to ban all Muslims from the shores of a country that’s comprised of people from the world over, from every tradition of faith. It is also changing this country. Hate crimes are on the rise, every single one over the last three years. On the day that he signed his executive order attempting to ban Muslim travel, the mosque in Victoria, Texas was burned to the ground. So we must not only stand up against Donald Trump and defeat him in this next election, but we must also ensure that we don’t just tolerate or respect our differences, but we embrace them. That’s what we’ve learned in El Paso, Texas, my hometown. One of the safest cities in the United States of America, not despite, but because it’s a city of immigrants and asylum seekers, and refugees. We will show that our diversity is our strength in my administration.

1:22:00 Jake: Thank you. Congressman O’Rourke, thank you very much. Governor Hickenlooper, why are you the best nominee to heal the racial divide in America? Please respond.

1:22:06 GH: Well, the core value behind this entire country’s history is working towards a more perfect union, that all people are created equal. And we’ve fallen far away from that. I think the job is incumbent on any one of us to make the convincing case that we can deliver an urban agenda that represents progress in schools. In Colorado, when I was mayor, we got to universal pre-K for every kid in the urban city. We did major police reform 10 years before Ferguson. Why is it now that five years after Ferguson, we still don’t have anything? How do we get affordable housing? We created a scholarship fund for every kid. You’ve gotta deliver a vision like that for the whole country.

1:22:47 Jake: Thank you, Governor. Senator Warren, I’m coming to you now. Last week, the FBI Director Christopher Wray said that the majority of domestic terrorism cases this year have been motivated by white supremacy. In fact, the alleged shooter in this weekend’s attack in Gilroy, California referenced a well-known white supremacist book on social media. How are you gonna combat the rise of white supremacy?

1:23:08 SW: We need to call out white supremacy for what it is, “domestic terrorism.” And it poses a threat to the United States of America.


1:23:15 SW: We live in a country now where the president is advancing environmental racism, economic racism, criminal justice racism, health care racism. The way we do better is to fight back and show something better. So I have a plan, for example, on education, that says we have to build a better education system for all our kids, but we’ve got to acknowledge what’s happened on race. So my plan has universal, tuition-free college for all of our kids, but also increases the Pell Grants and levels the playing field by putting $50 billion into historically black colleges and universities.


1:23:58 SW: It cancels student loan debt for 95% of the kids with student loan debt and helps close the black-white wealth gap in America.


1:24:10 Jake: Thank you, Senator, very much. Mayor Buttigieg, you have been criticized for your handling of racial issues in your home city of South Bend, from diversity in the police force to housing policy. Given your record, how can you convince African-Americans that you should be the Democratic nominee?

1:24:25 MB: As an urban mayor serving a diverse community, the racial divide lives within me. I’m not saying that I became mayor and racism or poverty ended on my watch. But in our city, we have come together repeatedly to tackle challenges, like the fact that far too many people were not getting the help they needed in their housing and so we directed it to a historically underinvested African-American neighborhood. Right now, in the wake of a police-involved shooting, our community is moving from hurting to healing by making sure that the community can participate in things like revising the use of force policy and making sure there are community voices on the Board of Safety that handles police matters.

1:25:07 MB: I’ve proposed a Douglass plan to tackle this issue nationally, because mayors have hit the limits of what you can do unless there is national action. Systemic racism has touched every part of American life, from housing to health to homeownership. If you walk into an emergency room and you are black, your reports of pain will be taken less seriously. If you apply for a job and you are black, you are less likely to be called, just because of the name on the resume. It’s why I’ve proposed that we do everything from investing in historically red-lined neighborhoods, to build black wealth in homeownership, to supporting entrepreneurship for black Americans.

1:25:41 Jake: Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much. Senator Klobuchar, what do you say to those Trump voters who prioritize the economy over the president’s bigotry?

1:25:51 SK: Well, first of all, there are people that voted for Donald Trump before that aren’t racist, they just wanted a better shake in the economy. And so I would appeal to them. But I don’t think anyone can justify what this president is doing. Little kids literally woke up this weekend, turned on the TV, and saw their president calling their city, the town of Baltimore, nothing more than a home for rats. And I can tell you, as your president, that will stop. The second thing I would say is that economic opportunity means economic opportunity for everyone in this country. I know that because I have lived it. And that means when we put out there better childcare and better education, and we pay teachers more, and we make sure there’s a decent retirement system in place… Yes, we help the African-American community and we must, because they have been the ones that have been most hurt by what we’ve seen in the last decades, but we help everyone. So what I say to the people in my rural parts of my state, just like I say to them in the city and bring them together, is that economic opportunity must be there for everyone.

1:27:00 Jake: Senator Klobuchar, thank you very much. Congressman O’Rourke, please respond.

1:27:03 CO: I wanna acknowledge something that we’re all touching on, which is the very foundation of this country, the wealth that we have built, the way we became the greatest country on the face of the planet was literally on the backs of those who were kidnapped and brought here by force. The legacy of slavery and segregation and Jim Crow and suppression is alive and well in every aspect of the economy and in the country. Today, as president, I will sign into law a new voting rights act, I will focus on education, address health care disparities, but I will also sign into law Sheila Jackson Lee’s reparations bill so that we can have the national conversation we have waited too long in this country to have.

1:27:41 Jake: Thank you, Congressman O’Rourke. Speaking of reparations, Ms. Williamson, many of your opponents support a commission to study the issue of reparations for slavery. But you are calling for up to $500 billion in financial assistance. What makes you qualified to determine how much is owed in reparations?

1:27:57 MW: Well, first of all, it’s not $500 billion in financial assistance. It’s $500 billion, $200 billion to $500 billion payment of a debt that is owed. That is what reparations is. We need some deep truth-telling when it comes, we don’t need another commission to look at evidence. I appreciate what Congressman O’Rourke has said. It is time for us to simply realize that this country will not heal. All that a country is, is a collection of people. People heal when there’s some deep truth-telling. We need to recognize that when it comes to the economic gap between blacks and whites in America, it does come from a great injustice that has never been dealt with. That great injustice has had to do with the fact that there was 250 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of domestic terrorism.

1:28:45 MW: What makes me qualified to say $200 billion to $500 billion? I’ll tell you what makes me qualified. If you did the math of the 40 acres and a mule, given that there was 4 million to 5 million slaves at the end of the Civil War, four to five… And they were all promised 40 acres and a mule for every family of four, if you did the math today, it would be trillions of dollars. And I believe that anything less than $100 billion is an insult. And I believe that $200 billion to $500 billion is politically feasible today because so many Americans realize there is an injustice that continues to form a toxicity underneath the surface, an emotional turbulence that only reparations will heal.

1:29:25 Jake: Ms. Williamson, thank you very much. Senator Sanders…


1:29:28 Jake: Senator Sanders, you don’t think cash payments are the best way to address this issue, but according to a new Gallup poll, 73% of African Americans are in favor of cash payments to black Americans who are descendants of slaves. How do you respond to them?

1:29:43 SS: Well, I respond to that by saying that I am supportive of Jim Clyburn’s legislation, which is called “10-20-30.” And what that understands is that as a result of slavery and segregation and the institutional racism we see now in health care, in education, in financial services, we are gonna have to focus big time on rebuilding distressed communities in America, including African-American communities. In terms of education, I also have a plan, it’s called the Thurgood Marshall Plan. And it would focus on ending the growth of segregated schools in America, it would triple funding for title one schools, it would make sure that teachers in this country earned at least $60,000 a year.

1:30:33 Jake: Senator Sanders, thank you very much. The debate continues right after this short break. Welcome back to the CNN Democratic Presidential Debate, live from Detroit.

1:30:43 Jake: Let’s turn now to the economy. Congressman Ryan, President Trump’s tariffs have boosted the US steel industry but hurt auto manufacturers like those here in Michigan, which could drive up the cost of cars. As president, would you continue President Trump’s steel tariffs?

1:30:58 CR: Look, I think President Trump was on to something when he talked about China. China has been abusing the economic system for a long time. They steal intellectual property, they subsidize goods coming into this country, they’ve displaced steel workers, auto workers across the board, eroded our manufacturing. And we basically transfered our wealth of our middle class either up to the top 1% or to China, for them to build their military. So I think we need some targeted response against China. But you know how you beat China, you out-compete them. And that’s why I put a chief manufacturing officer in place to make sure that we rebuild the manufacturing base. We’ve gotta fill these factories, that in Detroit and Youngstown that used to make cars and steel, we’ve gotta fill them with workers who are making electric vehicles, batteries, charging stations, make sure they’re making solar panels.

1:31:48 CR: As I said earlier, China dominates 60% of the solar panel market. They dominate 50 to 60% of the electric vehicle market. We’re gonna make 10 million electric vehicles somewhere in the world in the next 10 years. I want them made in the United States, that’s why I have a chief manufacturing officer that will sit in the White House and help drive this agenda.

1:32:05 Jake: Congressman. Thank you. Just as a point of clarification. As president, would you continue President Trump’s steel tariffs? Yes or no?

1:32:11 CR: Well, I would have to re-evaluate. I think some of them are effective, but he’s bungled the whole thing, obviously. See, here’s the problem with President Trump, he has a tactical move, one of many. He has a tactical move. What’s the grand strategy for the United States? China has a 100-year plan, a 50-year plan, a 30-year plan, a 20-year plan. We live in a 24-hour news cycle. That spells disaster for our economy and disaster for our global policies.

1:32:36 Jake: Thank you, Congressman. Congressman Delaney, your response.

1:32:40 CD: So listen. This is what I don’t understand. President Trump wants to build physical walls and beats up on immigrants. Most of the folks running for president wanna build economic walls to free trade and beat up on President Obama. I’m the only one running for president who actually supports the Trans-Pacific Partnership. President Obama was right about that. We should be getting back in that. Senator Warren just issued a trade plan that would prevent the United States from trading with its allies. We can’t isolate ourselves from the world. We have to engage with fair, rules-based trade.

1:33:17 Jake: Thank you. Thank you, Congressman Delaney. Senator Warren, please respond.

1:33:20 SW: For decades, we have had a trade policy that has been written by giant multinational corporations to help giant multinational corporations. They have no loyalty to America, they have no patriotism. If they can save a nickel by moving a job to Mexico, they’ll do it in a heartbeat. If they can continue a polluting plant by moving it to Vietnam, they’ll do it in a heartbeat. I have put out a new comprehensive plan that says we’re not gonna do it that way. We’re gonna negotiate our deals with unions at the table, with small businesses at the table, with small farmers at the table, with environmentalists at the table, with human rights activists at the table. And then we’re gonna use the fact that everybody in the world wants to get to America’s markets. They wanna sell to you.

1:34:10 CD: That was the TPP.

1:34:11 Jake: Congressman Delaney.

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1:34:13 SW: Is everyone wants to get to America’s markets.

1:34:16 Jake: Thank you, Senator.

1:34:17 SW: No. So the question is how…

1:34:18 Jake: Senator, thank you. Please abide by the rules.

1:34:19 SW: We need to raise our standards.

1:34:20 Jake: Congressman Delaney, it’s your turn. Thank you, Senator. Congressman Delaney.

1:34:24 CD: So, that was the Trans-Pacific Partnership. I think President Obama was right. He did include environmental standards, he did include labor standards. We would be in an entirely different position with China if we had entered the Trans-Pacific Partnership. We can’t isolate ourselves from the world. We can’t isolate ourselves from Asia. Senator Warren’s plan basically that she put out… We would not be able to trade with the United Kingdom, we would not be able to trade with the EU.

1:34:50 SW: No. What this is about…

1:34:51 CD: It is so extreme that it’ll isolate the American economy from the rest of the world.

1:34:56 Jake: Thank you, Congressman Delaney. Thank you, Congressman. Senator. Senator Warren. Senator Warren.

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1:35:01 SW: I think he said Warren.

1:35:01 Jake: Senator Sanders, please let Senator Warren respond.

1:35:03 CD: Oh, I’m sorry.


1:35:05 SW: What the Congressman is describing as extreme is having deals that are negotiated by American workers for American workers. American workers want those jobs and we can build the trade deals that do it. People want access to our markets all around the world. Then the answer is, let’s make them raise their standards. Make them pay their workers more, let their workers unionize, raise their environmental standards before they come to us and say they wanna be able to sell their products. Right now, the whole game is working for the big multinationals. It’s just not working for the people here in the United States, and we can change that.

1:35:49 Jake: Senator, thank you very much. Congressman O’Rourke, your response.

1:35:51 CO: The question was about tarrifs, and they’re a huge mistake. They constitute the largest tax increase on the American consumer, hitting the middle class and the working poor especially hard. And farmers in Iowa and across the country are bearing the brunt of the consequences. When have we ever gone to war, including a trade war, without allies and friends and partners? As president, we will hold China accountable, but we will bring our allies and friends like the European Union to bear. And we’ll also negotiate trade deals that favor farmers and American workers and protect human rights and the environment and labor. Not just here in the United States but in the…

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1:36:30 Jake: Congressman O’Rourke, thank you so much. Senator Sanders, please respond to Congressman O’Rourke.

1:36:31 SW: I would like to respond to this.

1:36:32 SS: Yeah, okay. You’re looking, I believe, at the only member of Congress who not only voted against these disastrous trade agreements, NAFTA, PNTR with China, which cost us over 4 million jobs, but also help lead the effort against these agreements. Now, Elizabeth is absolutely right. If anybody here thinks that corporate America gives one damn about the average American worker, you’re mistaken. If they can save $0.05 cents by going to China, Mexico, or Vietnam, or any place else, that’s exactly what they will do. As president, let me tell you what I will do. These guys line up at the federal trough, they want military contracts, they want all kinds of contracts. Well, under my administration, you ain’t gonna get those contracts if you throw American workers out on the streets.

1:37:23 Jake: Senator Sanders, thank you very much. Governor Hickenlooper, your response.

1:37:26 GH: I think… Again, I think Congressman Delaney has got a point here, and there is a way of looking at trade that is therapeutic. The bottom line is, you talk to any economist, there is not a single example in history where a trade war had a winner. Trade wars are for losers, and the bottom line is we gotta recognize, let’s negotiate a better trade deal, but you’re not gonna win against China in a trade war when they’ve got 25% of our total debt. And step back and look at it. Here’s Trump, gives that giant tax cut. And at the same time, we’re paying in tarrifs about $800 to $1,200 per household, and then we give this incredible tax cut to the rich. Essentially, what’s happening is now he’s transferred that tax obligation on to the middle class. That’s what’s outrageous, but tarrifs are not the solution.

1:38:13 Jake: Governor, thank you. Senator Warren.

1:38:14 SW: Anyone who thinks that these trade deals are mostly about tarrifs just doesn’t understand what’s going on. Look at the new NAFTA 2.0, what’s the central feature? It’s to help pharmaceutical companies get longer periods of exclusivity so they can charge Canadians, Americans, and Mexicans more money and make more profits. That’s what trade deals have become. They have become a way for giant multi-nationals to change the regulatory environment so they can suck more profits out for themselves and to leave the American people behind. We have to have the courage to fight back against that corruption.

1:38:56 Jake: Senator, thank you. Governor Bullock, your response.

1:39:00 GB: A farmer in Rippy said to me, “Every time that Trump tweets, we lose hundreds of thousands of dollars. If Montana had to eat all the wheat that we produce, every Montanan would have to eat 40 loaves of bread a day.” But by the same token, what we have is… I actually agree with Senator Warren on this in part. Corporations can move capital easy, workers can’t move, so going forward we need to make sure that our trade deals actually are protecting… Thinking about the workers, they can’t be the step-child, but the way to do it with this blunt instrument of tarrifs that the president’s doing, that’s not how we get a fair deal for farmers anywhere, or the manufacturers here in Detroit.

1:39:43 Jake: Governor, thank you very much.

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1:39:44 Jake: Mayor… Stand by please, stand by please, please abide by the rules. Mayor Buttigieg, on Thursday of this week, a GM plant in Michigan will stop production, the latest auto plant to cease operations in the industrial Midwest. This comes as part of the company’s modernization plans, which will eventually result in 6,000 hourly workers losing their jobs or being reassigned to other plants. What is your plan for retraining workers whose jobs are at risk?

1:40:10 MB: This happened in my community, 20 years before I was born, and when I was growing up, we were still picking up the pieces. Empty factories, empty houses, poverty. I know exactly what happens to a community when these closures take place, and there will be more. It’s why we actually need to put the interests of workers first. Of course, we need to do retraining, we’re doing it now in South Bend, we should continue to do it. But this is so much bigger than a trade fight, this is about a moment when the economy is changing before our eyes. There are people in the gig economy who go through more jobs in a week than my parents went through in their lifetime. It’s why I’ve proposed that we allow gig workers to unionize, because a gig is a job, and a worker is a worker.


1:40:52 Jake: Thank you, Mayor.

1:40:52 MB: We have to respond to all of these changes, and, in addition to confronting tech, in addition to supporting workers by doubling unionization, as I propose to do. Some of this is low-tech too, like the minimum wage is just too low, and so-called conservative Christian senators right now in the Senate are blocking a bill to raise the minimum wage, when scripture says that whoever oppresses the poor taunts their maker.


1:41:18 Jake: Mayor, thank you very much. Congressman Delaney, I’m coming to you now. Your estimated net worth is more than $65 million. That would make you subject to Senator Warren’s proposed wealth tax on the assets of the richest 75,000 homes, households, or so in the United States. Do you think Senator Warren’s Wealth Tax is a fair way to fund childcare and education?

1:41:40 CD: I think wealthy Americans have to pay more. Listen, I grew up in a blue-collar family, first in my family to go to college, became a successful entrepreneur, created thousands of jobs, supported thousands of entrepreneurs all around this country, and I’ve done well financially. I think I should pay more in tax, I think wealthy Americans should pay more in tax, but we have to have a real solution. The real solution is to raise the capital gains rates. There is no reason why people who invest for a living should pay less than people who work for a living. That’s ridiculous.


1:42:14 CD: It’s the biggest loophole in our tax code. We act like wealthy individuals are endangered species, and if we raise their taxes, they won’t invest. That’s crazy. That’s how we get more revenues from wealthy individuals. We roll back the Trump tax cuts to wealthy individuals. I think the wealth tax will be fought in court forever. It’s arguably unconstitutional, and the countries that have had it have largely abandoned it ’cause it’s impossible to implement. But here again, real solutions, not impossible promises.

1:42:45 Jake: Congressman, thank you very much.

1:42:45 CD: Raise the capital gains tax. Roll back the taxes on wealthy Americans.

1:42:48 Jake: Thank you, Congressman.

1:42:49 CD: That we can do in our first few months as president.

1:42:51 Jake: Senator Warren, please respond.

1:42:53 SW: I have proposed a wealth tax, it’s now time to do that. It’s time to tax the top 1/10th of 1% of fortunes in this country. Your first $50 million you can keep free and clear, but your 50 millionth and first dollar, you gotta pitch in $0.02. Two cents. What can America do with $0.02? We can provide universal childcare for every baby in this country aged zero to five. We can provide universal pre-K for every three-year-old and four-year-old. We can raise the wages of every childcare worker and preschool teacher in this country. We can provide universal tuition-free college. We can expand Pell. We can put $50 billion into our historically black colleges and universities. And we can cancel student loan debt for 95% of the people who have it and start to close the wealth gap in America. It tells you how badly broken this economy is…

1:43:52 Jake: Senator, thank you very much. Congressman Delaney…

1:43:53 SW: That $0.02 from the wealthiest in this country would let us invest in the rest of America.

1:43:58 Jake: Senator, please. Congressman, please respond.

1:44:01 CD: This is not about whether wealthy Americans should pay more. I think we’re all in agreement on that. It’s a question of, do you have a real solution to make it happen? We can raise the capital gains rate to match the ordinary income. The last president to do that was actually Ronald Reagan. We can do that in our first year. I’ve called for that to be done and it’ll double the earned income tax credit. I’ve called for the expansion of universal pre-K so that every American has pre-K. And I do it through an additional tax on high net worth individuals.

1:44:29 Dana: Thank you.

1:44:30 CD: But we don’t need to come up with new taxes that are arguably unconstitutional, will be fought in court for years.

1:44:35 Dana: Thank you, Congressman Delaney. I want to turn to the issue of student debt.

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1:44:39 SS: Can I just respond to that, please?

1:44:40 SW: I’d like to respond to this.

1:44:40 Dana: I’m gonna turn to the issue of student debt now. Mayor Buttigieg, you’ve talked about how you and your husband are paying down six figures of student loan debt. Under Senator Sanders’ proposal, to cancel all student loan debt, yours would immediately be wiped away. Why wouldn’t you support that?

1:44:54 MB: That’d be great for us. And then the next day, there would be a student loan program, and people would be out taking student loans wondering why they weren’t lucky enough, in timing, to get theirs wiped away completely too. We can have debt-free college for low and middle-income students by expanding Pell Grants and compelling states to pick up more of the burden. And on the back end, for those of us who do have a lot of debt, we can make it more affordable and we can expand a public service loan forgiveness program, which is an excellent program that is almost impossible to actually get access to right now. We can take these steps and have an approach that is actually fair.

1:45:30 MB: If we wanna start wiping away student debt, here’s where I would start. I would start with the for-profit colleges that took advantage of people, especially veterans, by the way. The moment I redeployed, my Facebook add feed started filling with ads from these for-profit colleges. Under President Obama, they were held accountable for whether they delivered results. President Trump, under a secretary of education, who regrettably is from this state, did away with those rules. There’s no accountability. On my watch, those colleges that turned the Department of Education into a predatory lender, that’s where we would begin when it came to getting rid of loans.

1:46:06 Dana: Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg. Senator Sanders, you want to forgive all student loan debt. Your response?

1:46:11 SS: Matter of fact, I do. But before I get into that, the major issue that we don’t talk about in Congress, we don’t talk about in the media, is the massive level of income and wealth inequality in America. You got three people who own more wealth than the bottom 90%. You have a top 1% that owns more wealth than the bottom 92%. 49% of all income goes to the top 1%. Companies like Amazon and billionaires out there do not pay one nickel in federal income tax. And we’ve got 500,000 people sleeping out on the street. What we need is a political revolution that tells these billionaires and corporate America that they are Americans, they’ll participate in our society, but they have got to start paying their fair share of taxes, period.

1:47:01 Dana: Thank you, Senator Sanders. Ms. Williamson?

1:47:03 MW: I want to respond.

1:47:04 Dana: You are proposing to make college free for all qualified students. Should the government pay for children from wealthier families to go to college?

1:47:13 MW: I think that all domestic and international policy should be based on the idea that anything we do to help people thrive is a stimulation to our economy. That’s how you stimulate your economy. So if a few people take advantage, but there are four or five people who were going to take the money that they then have in the bank… When you look at this $1.5 trillion college debt… This is why I agree with Bernie, or I would be, “Then okay, why don’t we swap it?” We had a $2 trillion tax cut, where $0.83 of every dollar goes to the very, very richest among us, that does not stimulate the economy. If we get rid of this college debt, think of all the young people who will have the discretionary spending, they’ll be able to start their business. The best thing you could do to stimulate the US economy is to get rid of this debt.

1:47:58 MW: This is not just about a plan to do it. It’s about a philosophy of governing. And I’ve heard some people here tonight, I almost wonder why you’re Democrats. You seem to think there’s something wrong about using the instruments of government to help people. That is what government should do. It should… All policies should help people thrive. That is how we will have peace and that is how we will have prosperity.

1:48:20 Dana: Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Williamson. Congressman O’Rourke, you don’t support free four-year college. Your response to Ms. Williamson?

1:48:25 CO: I support free two-year college, earn that associate’s degree, realize your full potential, debt-free four-year college. But unlike some of the other candidates on the stage, that’s not just for tuition. That is room and books and board, the full cost of being able to better yourself so that you can better this country. And then for that schoolteacher who, in many places like Texas, is working a second or a third job, full forgiveness for her outstanding student loan debt, forgiveness for that person willing to work at the VA and serve our former service members. And we do not do that at the expense of unions. We elevate them as well and make it easier to join an apprenticeship to learn a skill or a trade that you can command for the rest of your life.

1:49:05 Dana: Thank you. Thank you, Congressman. Senator Klobuchar, your response?

1:49:10 SK: I wanna make it easier for kids to go to college. And I think we do it by focusing our resources on the people that need it most. And my problem with some of these plans is they literally would pay for wealthy kids, for Wall Street kids to go to college. There’s no difference. It says, “Everyone is free.” I don’t think that makes sense. And I’m very concerned if we do things like that. The debt we’re gonna pass on to the next generation and the next generation. So what I would do about student loan debt, is that I would allow people to refinance it at a better rate. And I would make sure that we improve those student loan repayment programs for our teachers and expand them, so that you literally over five, 10 years, can get it paid for if you go into occupations where we don’t have enough workers. I think we need to mesh what we were just talking about with the economy, with our education policy.

1:50:00 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator. I wanna turn to foreign policy now. Senator Sanders, President Trump has argued that the United States cannot continue to be the quote: “policeman of the world”. You said the exact same thing on a debate stage in 2016. If voters are hearing the same message from you and President Trump on the issue of military intervention, how should they expect that you will be any different from him?

1:50:23 SS: Trump is a pathological liar. I tell the truth. We have been in Afghanistan, I think 18 years, in Iraq 16 or 17 years. We have spent $5 trillion on the war on terror, and there are probably more terrorists out there now than before it began. We’re gonna spend the Congress’s past and I will not vote for a $715 billion military budget, more than the 10 next countries combined. What we need is a foreign policy that focuses on diplomacy, ending conflicts like people sitting at a table, not by killing each other. As president of the United States, I will go to the United Nations and not denigrate it, not attack the UN, but bring countries together in the Middle East and all over the world, to come to terms with their differences and solve those problems peacefully. The United States cannot be the policemen of the world.

1:51:27 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator. Governor Hickenlooper, how do you respond to Senator Sanders’ vision for America’s role in the world?

1:51:36 GH: Well, we share the recognition of the incredible cost. People don’t realize that half the soldiers that fought in Iraq and Afghanistan were National Guard. And so, I went and sent them off on their deployments, big, noisy hangars. But I also mourned with their families when they didn’t come back. We are able now to… I call it constant engagement, but we should have an international diplomatic approach where we’re talking to everybody, ’cause if we’re gonna deal with climate change and cyber security and nuclear proliferation, we gotta be talking to everybody. And tariff wars don’t work, they’re for losers.

1:52:12 Jake: Thank you, Governor. Thank you, Governor. I wanna go to Congressman Ryan, and I wanna turn to the subject of North Korea, which just hours ago launched two short-range ballistic missiles for the second time in less than a week. Congressman, you’ve said that you would not meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, unless you were at least close to a deal. Now, Senator Klobuchar says that she would quote: “Always be willing to meet with leaders to discuss policies”. Is that view wrong?

1:52:41 CR: Yeah, I think so. I love Amy Klobuchar, but I think she’s wrong on this one. I don’t think Presidents of the United States meet with dictators. We saw what just happened with President Trump. He goes to the demilitarized zone with the leader of North Korea, gives him a huge photo op. Gives him global credibility, because the most powerful person in the world is sitting there meeting with him, and weeks later, he’s lobing more missiles. That doesn’t make any sense. We’ve got to demilitarize our foreign policy, we’ve gotta make sure that we are engaging these countries all the time. This is very difficult work. I’ve been in Congress 17 years. I’ve sit on the Defense Appropriations Committee. I sat on the Armed Services Committee. This is long, tedious work, much of it done outside of the eye of the TV camera, and as president, you’ve gotta monitor that and be very disciplined every day. Don’t go give a dictator a huge win. Sit down and do your job and the same thing with what’s happening in Central America. He’s cutting the State Department budget. Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, where the migrants are coming from. Go fix the problem at its source, and use diplomacy to do it.

1:53:45 Jake: Thank you Congressman. Senator Klobuchar, your response?

1:53:52 SK: I think we agree. I just think you have to leave open the possibility of meeting with anyone at any place. What I don’t like is how this president has handled it. You’ve heard of the Truman Doctrine, the Monroe Doctrine. He’s done the go-it-alone Doctrine with the rest of the world. He’s taken us out of the climate change agreement, out of the Iran Nuclear Agreement, out of the Russian Nuclear Agreement and I don’t agree with that. And when he was just with Vladimir Putin at the G20, when he was asked about invading our democracy, he made a joke. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have lost their lives on the battlefield to protect our democracy and our right to vote. Four little girls in Birmingham, Alabama, lost their life in a church at the height of the Civil Rights Amendment. So I do believe you meet with people, but you better have an agenda, and you better put our interest of our country first, not the Russians.

1:54:39 Jake: Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator, Klobuchar. Mayor Buttigieg, you served in Afghanistan, where just yesterday two US service members were killed. There are currently about 14,000 US service members in Afghanistan. You’ve said, “One thing everybody can agree on is that we’re getting out of Afghanistan”. Will you withdraw all US service members by the end of your first year in office?

1:55:05 MB: We will withdraw. We have to.

1:55:07 Jake: In your first year?


1:55:09 MB: Yes. Look, around the world, we will do whatever it takes to keep America safe. But I thought I was one of the last troops leaving Afghanistan, when I thought I was turning out the lights, years ago. Every time I see news about somebody being killed in Afghanistan, I think about what it was like. To hear an explosion over there and wonder whether it was somebody that I served with, somebody that I knew, a friend, roommate, colleague. We’re pretty close to the day when we will wake up to the news of a casualty in Afghanistan, who was not born on 9/11.

1:55:44 MB: I was sent into that war by a congressional authorization as well as the President. And we need to talk not only about the need for a President committed to ending endless war but the fact that Congress has been asleep at the switch. And on my watch I will propose that any authorization for the use of military force have a three-year sunset and have to be renewed. Because if men and women in the military have the courage to go serve, members of Congress oughta have to summon the courage…

1:56:11 Jake: Thank you mayor.

1:56:11 MB: To vote on whether they oughta be there.

1:56:12 Jake: Thank you mayor.


1:56:12 Jake: I wanna bring in Congressman O’Rourke, congressman O’Rourke. Responding… Returning rather to the question of whether you would withdraw all US service members from Afghanistan during your first year in office as president, how do you respond sir?

1:56:25 CO: I would, in my first term in office, agree that there is nothing about perpetuating this war already in its 18th year, that will make it any better. We’ve satisfied the reasons for our involvement in Afghanistan in the first place, and it’s time to bring those service members back home from Afghanistan, but also from Iraq, also from Yemen and Somalia and Libya and Syria. There’s no reason for us to be at war all over the world tonight. As president, I will end those wars and we will not start new wars. We will not send more US service members overseas, to sacrifice their lives and to take the lives of others in our name, we can resolve these challenges…

1:57:04 Jake: Thank you, congressman.

1:57:04 CO: Peacefully and diplomatically.

1:57:05 Jake: Thank you, congressman. Governor Hickenlooper, you disagree, you’ve said that you’re open to keeping some service members in Afghanistan, beyond…

1:57:12 GH: Look at it as a…

1:57:14 Jake: Please respond.

1:57:14 GH: Humanitarian issue and with all due respect, you’re looking at the condition of women. If we completely…

1:57:19 S?: Thank you.

1:57:19 GH: Pull our troops out of there, you’re gonna see a humanitarian disaster that will startle and frighten every man, woman and child in this country. And I don’t think… We have troops in over 400 different locations around the world, most of them are small, they’re peace keeping, they’re not greatly at risk. We’re gonna have to be in Afghanistan… Look at the progress that’s happened in that country. We’re gonna turn our backs and walk away from people that have risked their lives to help us and build a different future for Afghanistan and that part of the world?

1:57:49 Jake: Thank you governor. Thank you governor. Senator Warren, you wanna make it US policy, that the US will never use a nuclear weapon, unless another country uses one first. Now, President Obama reportedly considered that policy, but ultimately decided against it. Why should the US tie its own hands with that policy?

1:58:08 SW: Because it makes the world safer. The United States is not going to use nuclear weapons preemptively and we need to say so to the entire world. It reduces the likelihood that someone miscalculates, someone misunderstands. Our first responsibility is to keep ourselves safe. And what’s happening right now with Donald Trump as they keep expanding the different ways that we have nuclear weapons, the different ways that they could be used, puts us all at risk. We talk about what’s happening around the world. I have three older brothers who served in the military, I see that they would do anything. Our military is the best on earth but we should not be asking our military to take on jobs that do not have a military solution. We need to use our diplomatic tools, our economic tools and if we’re gonna send someone into war, we better have a plan for how we’re gonna get them out on the other end.

1:59:09 Jake: Thank you, senator. Governor Bullock, your response to Senator Warren’s proposal to the US never use a nuclear weapon first.

1:59:17 GB: I wouldn’t wanna take that off the table. I think America’s strength, we have to be able to say that. Look, never I hope. Certainly in my term, or anyone else would we really even get close to pulling that trigger. But by the same token, America’s strength… And look this President’s made America versus America alone. Our allies no longer trust us, our adversaries are with us. But going from a position of strength we should be negotiating down, so there aren’t nuclear weapons. But drawing those lines in the sand at this point, I wouldn’t do it.

1:59:53 Jake: Thank you, governor. Senator Warren your response.

1:59:55 SW: We don’t expand trust around the world by saying, “You know, we might be the first ones to use a nuclear weapon.” That puts the entire world at risk and puts us at risk, right in the middle of this. At a time when Donald Trump is pulling out of our nuclear negotiations expanding the opportunities for nuclear proliferation around the world, has pulled us out of the deal in Iran and Iran is now working on its nuclear weapon. The world gets closer and closer to nuclear warfare.

2:00:29 Jake: Senator that… Senator.

2:00:29 SW: We have to have an announced policy that is one the entire world can live with, we need to make that clear. We will respond if someone else does but not first.

2:00:39 Jake: Thank you Senator Warren. Governor Bullock please respond.

2:00:41 GB: Part I agree with, but by the same token, we need to get back to nuclear proliferation.

2:00:47 SW: Why?

2:00:47 GB: But when you have de-proliferation, reducing them. But at the same time. When you actually have Korea, when you have others, I don’t wanna turn around and say, “Well Detroit has to be gone before we would ever use that.” When so many crazy folks are getting closer to have a nuclear weapon. I don’t want them to think I could strike this country. And I, and we as the United States of America wouldn’t do a thing. Part of the strength really is the ability to deter.

2:01:18 Jake: Governor Bullock.

2:01:19 SW: So don’t…

2:01:20 Jake: Governor thank you very much.

2:01:21 SS: Could I add something to that…

2:01:21 Jake: Moving on now, please senator. Senator please. Moving on now. As you know to serve as President of United States, all of you know this, you have to be at least 35 years old. So, Mayor Buttigieg you just qualified you’re 37, the youngest candidate in this field. Standing next to you is the oldest candidate, Bernie Sanders at age 77. Should voters take into consideration age, when choosing a presidential candidate?

2:01:48 MB: I don’t care how old you are, I care about your vision. But I do think it matters that we have a new generation of leaders stepping up around the world. Leaders like the… I actually think it’s good that the Prime Minister of New Zealand’s gotten a lot of attention in democratic debate. She’s masterful, she is younger than I would be when I take office. This is the kind of trend America might be leading instead of following. But only if it’s actually backed by the right vision. And we can have great presidents at any age. What I will say is, we need the kind of vision that’s gonna win. We cannot have a vision that amounts to back to normal. Because the only reason we got this president is that normal didn’t work. We have to be ready to take on this president. And by the way, something that hasn’t been talked about as much tonight, take on his enablers in Congress. When David Duke…


2:02:40 MB: When David Duke ran for Congress… Ran for governor, the Republican Party, 20 years ago, ran away from him. Today they are supporting naked racism in the White House, or at best silent about it. And if you are watching this at home and you are a Republican member of Congress, consider the fact that, when the sun sets on your career and they are writing your story, of all the good and bad things you did in your life, the thing you will be remembered for is whether, in this moment, with this president, you found the courage to stand up to him or you continued to put party over country.


2:03:11 Jake: Thank you, Mayor. Senator Sanders, as the senior statesman of the group, please respond to Mayor Buttigieg.

2:03:19 SS: Well, Pete is right. It’s a question of vision, that’s what it is, whether you’re young, whether you’re old, whether you’re in between. And my vision, among other things, says that if we’re gonna fight for health care, we don’t take money from the drug companies or the insurance companies. And I have asked all of the candidates who are running to say they will not accept money from those entities who, in my view, are going to war against the American people in terms of health care. That’s a new vision. A new vision says that we must cancel completely student debt because the younger generation in this country today, for the first time in modern American history, will have a lower standard of living than their parents.

2:04:10 Jake: Thank you, Senator Sanders.

2:04:11 S?: I’d like to respond on that, too.

[overlapping conversation]

2:04:15 Jake: The debate continues right after this, please. Thank you. The debate continues right after this short break.


2:04:18 Jake: Welcome back to the CNN Democratic Presidential Debate. We have covered a lot of ground tonight. Now it is time for closing statements. You will each receive one minute. Governor Bullock, we’re gonna begin with you.

2:04:30 GB: Thanks, Jake. I was raised in a single-parent household, at times paycheck to paycheck. Only knew there was a governor’s house in town ’cause I delivered newspapers to it, so I’ve made it about four blocks in life. Worked my way through college, paid my way through law school. But I had a chance to actually go from delivering newspapers to the governor’s house as a kid to now raising our three kids in it. We gotta recognize, for far too many people now in America, that shot no longer exists. And for far too many in this country, it never has. I’m running for president to beat Donald Trump, win back the places we lost, and make sure that Americans know that where Washington has left them behind in their economy, in the political system, I’ll be there. This isn’t a choice just between center and left, or about, “We don’t have to choose between what we don’t want and what we can’t afford.” Folks want a different way, they wanna believe the economy and our democracy can work for us. That’s why I’m running for president.

2:05:36 Jake: Thank you. Ms. Williamson?

2:05:39 MW: Yes, our problem is not just that we need to defeat Donald Trump. We need a plan to solve institutionalized hatred, collectivized hatred, and white nationalism. And in order to do that, we need more than political insider game and wonkiness and intellectual argument. Those things will not defeat Donald Trump. We need some radical truth-telling, not just to talk about health care, but talk about why are we so sick all the time. We need to have a serious conversation about race and what is truly owed. Even on the subject of foreign policy, it’s all about symptoms and not about cause. We need to talk about the fact that the United States has sacrificed our moral leadership. The fact that countries see us, not only domestically but internationally, with policies that simply support our corporate overlords. The fact that our national defense agenda is driven more by short-term profits for defense contractors than by genuine peace-building.

2:06:32 MW: There’s some corruption that is so deep, ladies and gentlemen. And until the Democratic Party is ready to speak to the deeper corruption, knowing that we ourselves, sometimes, because of our own corporate donations, have participated, then I’m afraid those who vote for Trump will continue to vote for Trump and those who might not like Donald Trump will continue to stay home. I want a politics that goes much deeper, I want a politics that speaks to the heart because the only way to fight… You keep talking about how we’re gonna fight Donald Trump. You can’t fight dog whistles, you have to override them. And the only way you can override them is with new voices, voices of energy that only come from the fact that America has been willing to live up to our own mistakes, atone for our own mistakes, make amends for our own mistakes, love each other, love our democracy, love future generations. Something emotional and psychological that will not be emerging from anything on this stage, it will emerge from something I’m the one who’s qualified to bring forth.

2:07:31 Jake: Congressman Delaney?

2:07:32 CD: Thank you, Jake. John F. Kennedy famously said, “We should not seek the Republican answer, we should not seek the Democratic answer, we should seek the right answer.” He was right when he said it and he’s right today as well. Donald Trump is the symptom of a disease, and the disease is divisiveness. And I’m the only one on this stage talking about curing that disease, which… With big ideas like national service, by focusing on actually solving problems. If we work together, we can fix health care and build infrastructure. We can invest in not just technology, but people and entrepreneurs, whether they be in Storm Lake, Iowa, or Detroit, Michigan, or Baltimore, Maryland. We can fight climate change and reimagine our education system. But we have to do it with real solutions, not impossible promises. Isn’t it time we had a president who was a leader in both the private sector and in government to lead us into the future? I promise, as president, I will restore vision, unity, and leadership, and decency to this country. And that’s why I’m running for president. Thank you.

2:08:46 Jake: Congressman Ryan.

2:08:49 CR: So in a few minutes all of the pundits are gonna be looking at this debate and saying, “Well, who captured the left lane? And who captured the center lane? And who captured the moderate lane? I hope tonight at some level I captured your imagination. Your imagination about what this country could be like if we united, if we put together real policies that weren’t left or right, but new and better. That’s how we win the future. It’s new and better. A new and better economy, a new and better education system, a new and better healthcare system that focuses on prevention, an education system that focuses on the trauma of our kids. There’s not gonna be a savior. Not gonna be a superstar that’s gonna fix all this. It’s gonna be you and me. It’s gonna be us, that’s how we fix this country. You and I coming together to do big things to imagine the new country that we want by coming together. Not left or right, new and better.

2:10:00 Jake: Governor Hickenlooper?

2:10:02 GH: Thank you, and what a night. I’ve loved it. I’d like to ask every American to imagine that you are facing life-threatening surgery tomorrow, would you choose a doctor who had a track record with proven success who’d actually done the work? Or someone who had just talked about it? That’s the question we’re facing in this primary. I’ve actually got a track record as a small business owner, as a mayor and as a governor. We expanded healthcare in Colorado and got near universal coverage. We fought climate change directly. We beat the NRA. And for the last three years, we’ve been the number one economy in the country. We can wrap all that out. I’m as progressive as anybody up on this stage, but I’m also pragmatic. And I’ve done the things that most these other people are just talking about and I know I can get results, and I can lead the people of this country toward a stronger, a healthier, and a more secure future, and defeat Donald Trump and return this country to its glory. Thank you.

2:11:11 Jake: Senator Klobuchar?

2:11:11 SK: Well, thank you, Detroit. To win we have to listen to people, and out there today is Casey Joe’s mom. Casey Joe was a champion high school swimmer from a small town. She got sick, went to the emergency room and got hooked on opioids. The last thing that she said to her mom was, “Mama, it’s not my fault” and she died. A lot of Americans say the same thing every day. And that is what I will stand up for, and what I will stand up against are companies like those pharma companies that got her hooked on those opioids, and didn’t tell the doctors or the patients what was gonna happen. We need someone that has people’s back, we also need someone that can win. And I have won in these red districts. I win in the Midwest. I can win in states like Wisconsin, and Michigan, and Iowa. I also will do my job without fear or favor, just like I did as a prosecutor; and get through the grid lock like I’ve done as a Senator, where I’ve passed over 100 bills where I’ve been the lead Democrat. And last yes, I will govern with integrity. We have a President where people turn off their TV when they see him. Not me. I will make you proud as your president.

2:12:24 Jake: Congressman O’Rourke?

2:12:26 CO: We are as divided and polarized as a country as we have ever been, and right now we have a President who uses fear to try to drive us further apart. To meet this challenge we have to have hope in one another and a faith in a future of this country that includes everyone. My whole life, I’ve been including people in the success of this country. Starting a small business with high value, high wage, high skilled jobs in the third poorest urban county in America. Serving on the city council and holding town hall meetings every single week to remind myself who it is that I serve at the end of the day. And in Congress being in the minority, but working with Democrats and Republicans alike to deliver for my constituents and this country. And then in Texas, this last year. Traveling to every county. Not writing anybody off, not taking anyone for granted. And at the end of the day, winning more votes than any Democrat had in the history of the State. Winning independence for the first time in decades, and winning nearly half a million Republicans. And those 38 electoral college votes in Texas are now in play, and I can win them. That is how we defeat Donald Trump in November of 2020 and how we bring this divided country together again in January of 2021. Thank you.


2:13:45 Jake: Mayor Buttigieg?

2:13:48 MB: There’s good news and bad news. I’m gonna start with the bad news. Our country is in trouble. GDP is going up and life expectancy is going down. Think about what that means. It’s only getting tougher. By 2030 we will have passed the point of no return on climate; there are gonna be 130 million more guns on our streets. I’ll be in my 40s then. If you have kids, think about how old they will be then. But here’s the good news, it’s not too late. We can tell our kids that before we ran out of time, just before we ran out of time. In 2020, we did what it took to deliver a climate that we didn’t have to wonder if it could support us. To deliver a society where race has no bearing on your health or your wealth or your relationship with law enforcement. That we did what it took to deliver an economy where a rising tide actually does lift all boats. We can do this. If and only if we are ready to walk away from what hasn’t worked with bold action, and win. Not only defeat this President, but defeat his Congressional allies. With a defeat so big that it reunites the Republican Party with its conscience, as well as bringing Democrats to office. Join me and let’s make it happen.

2:14:58 Jake: Senator Warren?

2:15:01 SW: From the time I was seven years old, I had a dream. I wanted to be a public school teacher, but my daddy ended up as a janitor and by the time I graduated from high school, my family didn’t have the money to send me off to college. My big chance, was what was then, a commuter college that cost $50 a semester. For me, what this election is all about, is opportunity. Every budget, every policy that we talk about, is about who’s going to get opportunity. Is it gonna go to the billionaires or is it gonna go to our kids? Right now for decades, we have had a government that has been on the side of the rich and the powerful. It has been on the side of the wealthy. And that means it has not been on the side of everyone else. Not on the side of people living on our Native American reservations, people living in inner cities, people living in small farms, and small communities across this country. How do we beat it? We beat it by being the party of big structural change. Give people a reason to show up and vote, and we beat it by building a grassroots movement across this country. Not showing up behind closed doors with millionaires, but actually building it person-by-person across this country. With small dollar donations, with volunteers, with people who show up and say, “I have a stake in this democracy” I will not only beat Donald Trump in 2020, I’ll start to make real change come 2021.


2:16:39 Jake: Senator Sanders?

2:16:44 SS: As somebody who grew up in a family that lived in a rent-controlled apartment in Brooklyn, New York, and lived paycheck to paycheck. I’m running for president, not just to defeat the most dangerous President in the history of this country. A guy who’s a racist, and a sexist, and a homophobe. I’m running to transform this country, and to stand with the working class of America, which for the last 45 years has been decimated. Two days ago I had a remarkable experience, which should tell you everything you need to know about what’s going on in America. I took 15 people with diabetes from Detroit, a few miles into Canada, and we bought insulin for one-tenth the price being charged by the crooks who run the pharmaceutical industry in America today. But it’s not just the price-fixing, and the corruption, and the greed of the pharmaceutical industry. It’s what’s going on in the fossil fuel industry, it’s what’s going on in Wall Street, it’s what’s going on with the prison industrial complex. We need a mass political movement. Please go to, become one of our million volunteers. Stand up and take on the greed…

President Trump Rally in Greenville, North Carolina #Transcripts2020

As part of our #Transcripts2020 project, we are pleased to release the transcript of President Trump Rally in Greenville, North Carolina speech. An editable version is available here. All transcripts of this series are available here.


0:00:01 Donald Trump: Thank you very much, thank you, thank you. Thank you to Greenville, North Carolina, I wanna thank you.


0:00:12 DT: And to Mike Pence, you’ve done a great job, great Vice President. Thank you, Mike. And we have all night, we gonna have a lot of fun tonight, I have nothing to do, nothing, nothing.


0:00:29 DT: We have nothing to do but make our country great again, and that’s happening fast. It’s wonderful to be back at this beautiful state, with thousands of hard working North Carolina patriots, and thank you for your support.


0:00:48 DT: And thank you for that very big victory we had, three years ago. Time is flying, you’re getting ready, let’s do it again, right? Let’s do it. I just heard that the United States House of Representatives has overwhelmingly voted to kill the most ridiculous project I’ve ever been involved in. The resolution, how stupid is that, on impeachment.


0:01:32 DT: I wanna thank those Democrats because many of them voted for us, the vote was a totally lopsided 332 to 95 to 1. 332 to 95. Think of it, we have the strongest economy in history, the lowest unemployment numbers ever, we’ve rebuilt the most powerful military, it was totally depleted when I took office and now it’s rebuilt.


0:02:07 DT: We passed the largest tax cuts and regulation cuts of any president or any administration in history. We took care of our great vets including Veterans Choice and Veterans Accountability.


0:02:35 DT: And they wanna try and impeach, it’s a disgrace, it’s a disgrace. So now we have that behind us, and I have to say this, and I’ll say it just once. What happened to me with this witch hunt, should never be allowed to happen to another president of the United States, never ever again.


0:03:06 DT: And I wanna thank Republican leadership for what they’ve done for all of us, by stopping that hoax, the Russian hoax I call it. Because America is winning again, America is respected again, and because we are finally putting America first.


0:03:36 DT: Our economic policy can be summed up in three very beautiful and simple words: Jobs, jobs, jobs.


0:03:48 DT: We’ve created six million new jobs since election day. If I would have said that nobody would have believed it, if I would have said that the fake news would have said he’s exaggerating. And I wouldn’t have said it ’cause I wasn’t even sure we could do, so think of it, six million jobs since election day.


0:04:16 DT: And by the way North Carolina has had its best economic year in the history of your state.


0:04:29 DT: Our country’s added more than 180,000 people to the workforce. And think of that. Through what we’ve done on a federal basis, you picked up over 180,000 jobs, North Carolina.


0:04:47 DT: Think of that.


0:04:51 DT: And you have your lowest unemployment rate, you have a lot of good things, but let’s not talk too much about North Carolina. Let’s win this election nationwide.


0:05:05 DT: Do you remember, North Carolina that was going to be the Clinton Firewall?


0:05:11 DT: She spent a fortune here and I kept coming in and coming out. They called it earned media, I earned it. I kept coming in and coming out, and every time I left, I said, “I don’t think we’re losing North Carolina.” You know what? I was right. We won it, we won it easily. We won it easily.


0:05:33 DT: So, I just wanna thank everybody, seriously this was a big… That was a big deal. November 8th, that was a big deal. Donald Trump has won the great state of North Carolina.


0:05:48 DT: It’s a big deal.


0:05:54 DT: That was when you started to see the folks at a certain another convention, beautiful looking place, yeah, one of the most beautiful venues I’ve ever seen. But I don’t want any part of it, it was unlucky. I don’t want any part but that’s when you saw the people say, “What the hell is going on, what the… What’s happening?” And then it was state after state. It was Florida, it was South Carolina, we love South Carolina, right? Unbelievable.


0:06:28 DT: It was Pennsylvania.


0:06:33 DT: Remember, they wouldn’t announce the numbers in Pennsylvania, so there was 1% of the vote remaining. If I lost every one of those votes, we still win by a lot, and they wouldn’t announce it. They wouldn’t announce. And then we won the great state of Wisconsin, first time in many, many decades that a Republican win. And then we had a surprise, but not a surprise to us because we’re bringing back the auto industry, brought so much back to the great state of Michigan. That was a shocker. You remember that?


0:07:12 DT: You remember a certain hand on that beautiful board and they said, “You know, this board is getting awfully red,” that’s Republican, there is a lot of red up there. We had a lot of… That was one hell of a night, wasn’t it though?


0:07:34 DT: I think it was maybe… You know there are those that say one of the most extraordinary and exciting evenings in the history of television and the history of anything. And you know you can go all over the world, in some cases it was morning. You go to Asia, you go to Europe, you go all over. It was just record setting. And here’s the point, we have to do it again, we have to do it again.


0:08:05 S?: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

0:08:17 DT: And the reason we have to, not only to do new things which we will, and you know, statutorily and we had all sorts of artificial witch hunts over our head. Can you imagine if we didn’t have to go through that hoax, I don’t know that we would have done any better to be honest with you. I think we’ve done more in two-and-a-half years than any President ever. First two-and-a-half years.


0:08:45 DT: But could you imagine what it could have been if we didn’t have the witch hunt? You said it. I won’t say it ’cause it’s a terrible word. So I will not say that this guy said, “If we didn’t have the bullshit.” That’s right.


0:09:15 DT: No, no. Could you imagine if we didn’t have the time wasted, the time and everything, can you imagine? And you know, a friend of mine said, “Maybe you wouldn’t have done as well.” Is that possible that could happen? Maybe we would have had too much time on our hands, who knows, but I can say nobody in their first two-and-half-years has done anywhere close to what we, not me, what we’ve all done.


0:09:51 DT: So the unemployment rate among African Americans is the lowest is the history of our country.


0:10:03 DT: Unemployment among Hispanic Americans, where we’re doing really well. You know why? Because they want a strong border, they want it because they understand the border better than anybody, they want that strong border, they want that wall that’s being built right now.


0:10:23 DT: They want that wall. And they really do, they understand the border better than anybody. And they don’t want criminals coming in, they don’t want crime coming in, they don’t wanna lose their jobs. They like the fact that their salaries are going up, their wages are going up. They understand it better. So, Hispanic American, the best unemployment numbers in our history. Asian Americans, the best unemployment numbers in our history.


0:11:03 DT: And likewise women, 74 years. I’m sorry, women, I let you down, it’s not in our history, but we’re gonna be there very soon. We’re gonna be there very soon. Women are doing incredibly and women, the men are gonna get angry.


0:11:19 DT: Sorry, men. Whoa. Look at all those signs. Women, “Women for Trump”.


0:11:27 DT: Thank you. It’s a lot of signs. Do you remember last election? Donald Trump will never, ever get the women. Then we got this tremendous number of women.


0:11:46 DT: We got this tremendous number of women. And during the election night they said, “What’s going on?” You know what’s called suppression polls, suppression. Polls are just as fake as the news itself, but women filled 60%… And I’m sorry to tell you this men. They’re gonna sue me for discrimination now.


0:12:07 DT: Women filled 60% of all of the new jobs created last year, women took 60%. What’s wrong with you men?


0:12:20 DT: But the radical Democrats are trying to destroy all of our country’s tremendous achievement and our country’s tremendous success, unprecedented. We’ve had unprecedented success. Leaders come in from other countries, Prime Ministers, Presidents, kings, queens, dictators sometimes, I hate to say it, dictators. And they all start off by saying, “Mr. President, I’d like to congratulate you on the incredible economy that you’ve created, the greatest anywhere in the world, by far.”


0:13:03 DT: And sadly, China, who I have a very good relationship with, President Xi, I really like him. But China has had, yesterday it was announced the worst year in 27 years.


0:13:17 DT: And we’ve had the best. And if our opponent ever got into office, instead of being up 62%, instead of those 401ks of yours, being up 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%…


0:13:32 DT: Crash, big crash. You would have had a crash the likes of which we have never seen before, if they got in office, because we freed up our country, we freed up our economy with especially with regulation cuts, but also with those big beautiful tax cuts. We freed it up.


0:13:55 DT: The leading voices of the Democrat party are left wing extremists who reject everything our nation stands for. But again, I have to tell you, this vote was so big. I have to thank many of the Democrats, I mean that was amazing. No, no, I really do, I respect it, I really do. That was a slaughter. But many of those people that voted for us this afternoon, in somewhat of a sneak attack, a real sneak attack. Many of those people that voted for us were Democrats, and I wanna thank them. Because they did the right thing for our country.


0:14:38 DT: Republicans know that America is the greatest force for peace and justice in the history of our world. But these left-wing ideologues see our nation as a force of evil, the way they speak so badly of our country. They want to demolish our constitution, weaken our military, eliminate the values that built this magnificent country. You have to look at some of their recent comments which are never talked about. When you see the four Congresswomen, oh isn’t that lovely?


0:15:22 DT: I’ll give you just a couple. I have pages and pages but we don’t wanna bore you, we don’t wanna go too long. But we have to give a couple ’cause that’s a great thing about live television. They can’t cut it.


0:15:45 DT: Representative Ilhan Omar.


0:15:54 DT: Of a really great state. I almost won for the first time in decades and decades Minnesota, great state.



0:16:52 DT: By the way, I keep hearing how much enthusiasm is in the radical left. I don’t think they have enthusiasm. They’re just fighting with each other. We have all of the enthusiasm.


0:17:16 DT: He goes home, now to mommy and he gets reprimanded and that’s the end. Sorry, mommy. Sorry, mom. Didn’t mean to embarrass you, mom. But it’s true, we have the enthusiasm folks, look at this, look at this. And by the way, thousands and thousands of people outside and people that couldn’t get in, thousands.


0:17:45 DT: We’ve got all the enthusiasm. They’re fighting each other, they’ve gone so far left, nobody wants to even think about it. So, Representative Omar blamed the United States…


0:18:00 DT: For the terrorist attacks on our country. Saying that terrorism is a reaction to our involvement in other people’s affairs. She smeared US service members involved in Black Hawk Down. In other words, she slandered the brave Americans who were trying to keep peace in Somalia.


0:18:27 DT: Omar minimized the September 11th attacks, on our homeland saying, “Some people did something.” I don’t think so.


0:18:39 DT: Some people did something. Yeah, some people did something. All right. She pleaded for compassion for ISIS recruits attempting to join the terrorist organization, she was looking for compassion. Omar laughed that Americans speak of Al-Qaeda in a menacing tone and remarked that, “You don’t say America with this intensity, you say Al-Qaeda, it makes you proud. Al-Qaeda makes you proud, you don’t speak that way about America.”


0:19:19 DT: And at a press conference just this week, when asked whether she supported Al-Qaeda, that’s our enemy. That’s our enemy. They are a very serious problem that we take care of, but they always seem to come along somewhere. She refused to answer, she didn’t wanna give an answer to that question. Omar blamed the United States for the crisis in Venezuela, well think of that one. And she looks down with contempt on the hard-working Americans saying that ignorance is pervasive in many parts of this country.

0:20:00 S?: Send her back! Send her back! .

0:20:06 DT: And obviously, and importantly, Omar has a history of launching vicious antisemitic screech.

0:20:16 S?: Send her back! Send her back! Send her back! Send her back! Send her back! Send her back! Send her back! Send her back! Send her back!

0:20:29 DT: And she talked about the evil Israel and it’s all about the Benjamins, not a good thing to say. So that’s Omar. That’s Omar. And by the way many other things. All you have to do is press the right button on your beautiful screen and you’ll see. You didn’t hear this over the last two days. Did you hear anybody talk about that? Her colleague, Representative Rashida Tlaib…


0:21:05 DT: Agreed with Omar’s characterization of 9/11 and said that members of Congress who support Israel forgot what country they represent. And Tlaib also used the F-word to describe the presidency and your President. That’s not nice. Even for me. She was describing the President of the United States and the presidency with the big fat vicious, the way she said it, vicious F-word. That’s not somebody that loves our country.


0:21:47 DT: Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


0:22:03 DT: Check out her scores by the way, with her new Green New Deal, the Green New Deal, where did that come from? She’s conducted outrageous attacks against men and women of law enforcement. She compared American border agents managing a humanitarian crisis that I always said was a humanitarian crisis, and they said it was manufactured. They don’t say it was manufactured and we’re stopping it and I want to thank Mexico. They’ve got 21,000 soldiers now stopping people.


0:22:39 DT: From coming into our country.


0:22:45 DT: But Cortez, somebody said that’s not her name, it’s… They said, “That’s not her name sir.” I said, “No, no, I don’t have time to go with three different names.” We’ll call her Cortez. Too much time, it takes too much time. So, Cortez also, she said, “Essentially, Nazis are running concentration camps.”


0:23:14 DT: And when Mike Pence went down just a few days ago with members of Congress and the media, and you looked at those so-called horrible concentration camps, they said, “Wow. These places are clean. Wow, they have air conditioning, they have water.” And to be honest, it’s not like they came and we wanna take care of people, we gotta straighten out our immigration laws, you know. In a very short period of time, if the Democrats would give us a few votes, we could solve the immigration problem and it would be so good. It would be so good.


0:23:58 DT: But these kids, and these people come from rough places. And I’ll tell you what? Some of them said, “We’ve never lived like this before.” They have water. They have air conditioning. They have things that they’ve never seen. And we listen to her talking about drinking water from toilets, which was a lie, which was a lie.


0:24:25 DT: Cortez said that illegal immigrants are more American than any person who seeks to keep them out ever will be. Can you believe that? That’s what she’s saying.


0:24:37 DT: She described contemporary America. That’s you, that’s me, that’s all of us, as garbage. Garbage. We’re garbage. You remember deplorables, right? That sounds worse, I think that’s worse, but we’ll save it for whoever is going to be the nominee. And right now, sleepy Joe is not looking too good. Pocahontas. Pocahontas is gaining a little bit because we probably used the Pocahontas a little bit too early, but that’s okay. We’ll bring it out of retirement very soon.


0:25:23 DT: They have a new one who knocked the hell out of Biden during a debate. He said, “I wasn’t prepared for that question.” That’s not a good answer. Can you imagine? And according to the polls, I won every single debate, Republican and against Hillary.


0:25:38 DT: Can you imagine? Those in the polls, they won’t admit that, many, many polls. But can you imagine if I said, “Oh, oh, I’m sorry, I wasn’t prepared for that question.” I’m gone. That’s the end of Trump. He’s not prepared, he’s not mentally prepared, that’s his problem. But everybody that knows him knows that. But no, Harris hit him with a pretty easy question on busing. What? I would say that’s pretty easy. And he choked. He choked. And then he said, “Oh, I’m sorry I ran out of time.”



0:26:17 DT: I ran out of time.


0:26:22 DT: He ran out of time. And then you have a young guy Buttigieg. Buttigieg. They’re saying how to say to his name. Boot-Edge-Edge.


0:26:35 DT: He’s a beauty. He runs a failed city. His city is doing so badly. Mike Pence was the Governor of that state. I said, “How was he is as the mayor?” Mike is one of the nicest human beings you’ll ever meet. He said…


0:26:55 DT: And Mike said, “He never did a good job. I’m so shocked to see him running.” Okay? And then, he goes back home. And African-Americans literally were so angry at him for the lousy job, and he’s supposed to be like a hot young star. If that’s a hot young star, I guess I just don’t know stardom anymore. That is not a star. That’s not a star. Boot-Edge-Edge, you say “Boot”, and then add “Edge-Edge”, Buttigieg.



0:27:30 DT: I don’t see him dealing with President Xi of China.


0:27:34 DT: I don’t see him meeting successfully with Kim Jong-Un.


0:27:40 DT: I don’t see him dealing, and nobody has been tougher with Russia than Donald Trump. I don’t see him dealing with Vladimir Putin.


0:27:52 DT: And we have good relationships with them and many others. Except now we’re no longer the suckers. Like with NATO, we protect Europe, we spend hundreds of billions of dollars and they’re not paying their fair share. So last year, I went, I said, “Folks, sorry you gotta pay your fair share.” Sixteen years, it was going like this, the contribution. And now it’s like a rocket ship, a $100 billion.


0:28:28 DT: And I said to them, great people, 28 nations including the US, I said to them, “Listen, we’re taking care of you. You screw us on trade, and you don’t pay your military bills. This is not a good deal for the United States.” So we’re taking care of trade, we wanna do it nice and slow and easy. We got a world balance, but the European Union is terrible to us on trade, terrible. Frankly, they’re as tough or tougher than China. Just smaller numbers, that’s the only difference. With China, $507 billion you look over the years, for many, many years, they’ve been taking. And guys like Biden say, “Oh well, we’d stop that… ” He was there eight years, “We’d stopped that.” No Trump is stopping it. Trump is stopping it.


0:29:26 DT: So, Representative Ayanna Pressley.


0:29:34 DT: Is she related in any way to Elvis? [laughter] I don’t know? Who knows? You never know. She thinks that people with the same skin color all need to think the same. She said, “We don’t need any more Brown faces that don’t wanna be Brown voices. We don’t need Black faces that don’t wanna be a Black voice.” And she…


0:30:15 DT: Here we are.


0:30:22 DT: But since we’ve…


0:30:39 DT: Be disrespectful to people that have taken a lot of shots to the face. But they wouldn’t attack some of these people in this room. They’re not attacking bikers for Trump, they’re not…


0:30:57 DT: Or military.


0:31:02 DT: They’re attacking a single man standing there with a camera who never got hit and never hit back before in his life. They don’t attack the people… They attacked… Picture. That wouldn’t look too good for… People. These are sick bad people. Remember them. These are bad people.


0:31:39 DT: They don’t get the bad press. The press doesn’t wanna talk to them, they are very evil. They’re hitting people over the head with sticks. And I mean sticks. I mean bats even. They’re whacking people with bats. They’re very brave, they always show up with a mask and they’re covered. ‘Cause then they go home to mom and dad, they don’t want mom and dad to know where they were. But they always attack people that really can’t defend…


0:32:20 DT: Bats. They’re very brave. They always show up with a mask and they’re covered. ‘Cause then they go home to mom and dad, they don’t want mom and dad to know where they were. But they always attack people that really can’t defend themselves very well, right? They’re not attacking this group, they’re not attacking North Carolina.


0:32:47 DT: So these Congresswomen, their comments are helping to fuel the rise of a dangerous militant hard left. But that’s okay… They are very evil, they’re hitting people over the head with sticks and I mean sticks, I mean bats, even. They’re whacking people with bats, they’re very brave. They always show up with a mask and they’re covered ’cause then they go home to mom and dad. They don’t want mom and dad to know where they were. But they always attack people that really can’t defend themselves very well, right? They’re not attacking this group, they’re not attacking North Carolina.


0:33:31 DT: So these Congresswomen, their comments are helping to fuel the rise of a dangerous militant hard left. But that’s okay ’cause we’re gonna win this election like nobody’s ever seen before.


0:33:47 DT: And tonight I have a suggestion for the hate-filled extremists who are constantly trying to tear our country down, they never have anything good to say. That’s why I say, “Hey, if they don’t like it, let them leave, let them leave.” Let them leave, let them leave.


0:34:08 DT: They’re always telling us how to run it. How to do this, how to the… You know what? If they don’t love it, tell them to leave it.


0:34:22 DT: I don’t know. And now watch. I’ll go back to that, “Oh sir, that was so controversial, sir.” No, I’m just saying it’s their choice, they can come back when they want but you know, they don’t love our country. I think in some cases they hate our country. And they’re so angry. Even yesterday, they went on the stage. I said, “Let me watch this.” And the anger. They were trying to be nice but it’s hard. It’s hard for them to do that. The choice for every American has never been more clear. That’s true. The Democrat agenda is anti-worker, anti-jobs, anti-citizen, anti-family and anti-common sense.


0:35:10 DT: With the exception of all of those Democrats that voted for us today, we’ll give them up… They’re fine. They’re fine.


0:35:21 DT: They are fine and they, you know, you lose to them, it’s different. It’s okay. It’s called normal political back and forth. But I wanna tell you something, the Democrats are being so violent, so vicious, moving so far left, it’s out of control. It’s out of control. The Republican agenda is pro-worker, pro-jobs, pro-family, pro-growth, and 100% pro-American.


0:36:01 S?: USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

0:36:07 DT: So we’re thrilled tonight to be joined by several North Carolina Republican leaders, really great people, they’ve been so helpful to me and they’re doing an incredible job. Lieutenant Governor Dan Forest, Lieutenant Governor.


0:36:28 DT: North Carolina Treasurer, Dale Folwell.


0:36:40 DT: Greenville Mayor, PJ Connelly. I hear he does a good job. PJ.


0:36:51 DT: And North Carolina GOP Chair, Michael Whatley.


0:37:01 DT: I wanna also… Three months… When we needed him most. Senator Thom Tillis.


0:37:12 DT: Thank you, Thom. You really have… You’ve been really… Now we gotta get out and work and make sure he gets re-elected. And also Representatives, Mark Walker and…


0:37:34 DT: And two friends of mine that decide… Hoax of impeachment where they could bask in the glory of victory. I said, “Stay back… ” Is here right now…


0:38:05 DT: Incredible. NCAA wrestling champion, great guy. He wanted to stay back. I said, “You sure you don’t wanna come?” “I do wanna come but I really want you to win today, if you don’t mind.” I said, “Okay, let’s… You better stay back. If I see you here, I’m gonna be very angry.” And they did their job, didn’t they? This man is from the great state of Ohio, Congressman Jim Jordan.


0:38:34 DT: And we’re gonna do this quickly. But it’s just important that you get out and vote. They are two great people. I wanna introduce the next member of Congress, from North Carolina’s third congressional district, just won a great race, Dr. Greg Murphy. Greg is a winner.


0:39:16 Greg Murphy: Thank you President Trump for coming back to Eastern North Carolina. This is Trump country. And I promise, if elected your Congressman, I will be a Congressman that has our President’s back.


0:39:35 GM: The third district… The third district is not going to elect another Pelosi Congressman. It is not gonna do that. So, we thank him for coming to Eastern North Carolina and we are here to support him. Thank you all.


0:39:54 DT: So, you know Greg will be great on jobs. All the things you want. Tough on crime, strong on borders, pushing the wall. He’ll be pushing it, like nobody but we’re building the wall. But we’re pushing it. It’s like pulling teeth. We’ve got six lawsuits on the wall, we’ve won two of them, we’re gonna win others. But you think it’s easy, don’t you folks? Do you think this is easy?

0:40:15 S?: No.

0:40:16 DT: But we’re building a lot of wall and we hope if we can win that final one, so important, it’s going before the Supreme Court. We’ll have over 400 miles of wall built by the end of next year.


0:40:32 DT: So go out, get Greg elected, great victory by the way. That was a great primary and a great victory. That same day, there’s another crucial election in North Carolina, 9th cong… You know what… Right? You know what we’re talking about? 9th, I know it’s not here but it’s very close, right? 9th congressional district. The Democrat in the race is an ultra-liberal named Dan McCready, wants to take away your guns…


0:41:05 DT: He wants to raise your taxes, he does not care about borders, he likes open borders and he really admires socialism. I don’t think that works too well in North Carolina. Doesn’t work too well in our country. We’re joined tonight by the Republican candidate who is really a special man, a great man, he’s gonna be a great, great Congressman. Dan Bishop. Dan.


0:41:49 Dan Bishop: So as President Trump said, there are two Dans in this race. Dan McCready said that Donald Trump is the greatest threat to democracy ever, and backed crooked Hillary.


0:42:08 DB: Dan McCready took money from Ilhan Omar.


0:42:18 DB: And Mr. President, Dan McCready wants to repeal your tax cuts.


0:42:28 DB: Now, he would be the wrong Dan. As for me, I’m going to go to Washington and I’m going to stand with President Donald J. Trump.


0:42:54 DB: And that makes me the right Dan.


0:43:03 DB: And with the help of President Trump, we’re going to win the 9th district. So go to, sign up and help. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.


0:43:17 DT: Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Dan. And he will indeed defend your values, your family and he will always defend our Second Amendment unlike their opponents, they’re really into destroying our Second Amendment.


0:43:39 DT: Who’ve been violently operating for more than 10 years, we got them all, we think they are no good with conducting brutal medieval style killings, you know what medieval style is? Okay, little pieces, little pieces, little pieces, medieval style. Including the dismemberment of their victims, and they enjoyed every minute of it. These are sick people. When I called them animals, Nancy Pelosi said, “How dare he use that name? These are human beings.” I don’t think they’re human beings.


0:44:21 DT: Most of those indicted were in our country illegally, 19 to be exact, 19 of 22. Think, of that. They want to protect. These are savage beasts, these are savage killers. And they should have been brought out a long time ago by the Obama administration. We’re bringing MS-13 out by the thousands, getting them the hell out of our country.


0:44:55 DT: And when you read about deportation and Sunday… We got a lot of people on Sunday but we have a lot of people and we’re always shooting for the bad ones first. Which makes sense, right? But when you hear about that we always wanna get… And by the way, do you know how dangerous it is for these ICE agents, these ICE and Border Patrol, but ICE they go in to a nest, they call it a nest… A nest of these killers. They’re tough, they’re smart. And you know what, they’re great patriots, they love our country, the danger that they have is incredible.


0:45:35 DT: And I just wanna salute, and I have to tell you I wanna salute ICE and Border Patrol, and I wanna support and salute law enforcement in the United States, these are great people.


0:45:57 DT: These are great people, and they don’t get the credit they deserve but you know what, I tell them all the time, “You have no idea how much the American people, the American public, you have no idea how much they love you and respect you.” Law enforcement.


0:46:17 DT: In the recent Democrat debate, every single candidate, everyone, Biden was a little bit slower with the hand, it didn’t work so well. They raised their hand in favor of giving free government healthcare, they raised their hand in giving a lot of other things that I don’t think you’re gonna be happy with. Illegal aliens will be very nicely covered. How about California, they just approved a $100 million. They just approved a $100 million to take care of the needs of illegal immigrants. And then you look on the sidewalks of Los Angeles, the sidewalks of San Francisco, Nancy Pelosi’s district, nobody’s ever seen anything like it in the history of our country, what’s happening there. So if you don’t want Democrats to raid your healthcare, to steal away your money, to bankrupt your country, then you have a choice, you must vote Republican.


0:47:26 DT: All American citizens including millions and millions of legal immigrants who work hard to come into our country, who study, who wait on line sometimes for 10 years and who respect our laws and follow the rules, they deserve a government that is loyal to them. They work hard. You can’t say you love our country if you wanna destroy it through open borders, open borders are a disaster. Human trafficking. The first time I heard, as a politician, human trafficking, nobody talks about it, it sounded almost like an ancient crime. Many, many years ago hundreds of years, thousands of years ago, human trafficking is the worst now throughout the world because of the internet. It’s the worst it’s ever been, and the worst treated of all, children, but it’s women, women. The Democrats wanna do nothing about it.

0:48:25 DT: Human trafficking is worse than it ever has been in the history of the world. Not just this, this is not a United States problem, this is all over the world. Human trafficking, it’s a terrible, terrible thing. And we got to solve it, most of it comes through, in this country, our southern border where we don’t have the wall. They’re not going through our points, they’re not going through areas where we have security, where we have guards, where we have gates, where we have all sorts of equipment. No, they ride through the desert and they make a left where you don’t have the wall, it’s so simple, everybody knows it. The Democrats all know it, because five years ago, before I was here, they all wanted it. Now they don’t want it, you know why they don’t want it? For political reasons, and you know what, it’s gonna cost them a lot of points in the election, I think, probably cost them the elections.


0:49:27 DT: And just lastly, Democrats also support deadly sanctuary cities which release violent criminal aliens onto our streets.


0:49:40 DT: Where we just picked up these 22 thugs, these 22 monsters, we just picked them up in where? Los Angeles, sanctuary city, wonderful sanctuary city. Thom Tillis Senator, recently introduced a bill to give American victims the right to sue sanctuary cities and hold them accountable for the thousands of lives they have shattered, they’ve shattered these lives.


0:50:16 DT: Thank you very much, Thom. Every nation has the right to establish and enforce immigration rules in it’s national interest. It’s very simple, isn’t it? It’s common sense, it’s so simple, and the voters understand it. We expect that those who seek to join our society will obey our laws, revere our constitution, cherish our history, support themselves financially and embrace our American values and love our American flag.


0:50:54 DT: We believe in an immigration system based on merit. Merit, where they come in, we have so many companies coming in, automobile companies, companies of all types, and we need workers, we actually need workers, we have the lowest unemployment rate that we’ve had in 51 years, soon it’ll be the lowest ever. We need workers, but they have to come in where they can help our country, they have to come in based on merit. And we’re putting in bills and let’s see what happens, otherwise we’ll just wait till we win back the House, win the Senate, win the presidency and we’ll vote.


0:51:35 DT: Democrats have never been further outside of the mainstream. They’re going crazy folks, they’re going crazy. More than 130 Democrats in Congress have signed up for Bernie Sanders’ total government takeover of healthcare, isn’t that nice?


0:51:57 DT: This is one of the great catas… It won’t happen, he knows that. The guy never passed a bill, he did nothing. He’s actually not even a Democrat, isn’t he an Independent? I don’t know, he’s running but he missed his time. Hey Bernie, let me save you a lot of time and effort, Bernie. You missed your time. It got taken from you four years ago, Bernie.


0:52:19 DT: Not doing too well. He’s not doing too well, but that’s okay. You gotta hand it to him, he is up there ranting and raving and going like a lunatic. I said to our first lady the other day, I was watching Bernie and he’s screaming, his hair’s all crazy and…


0:52:34 DT: And he’s, “Huh, I’m gonna do this, I’m gonna do that. No more college loans, no more cost for anything, nothing, not, you’re not gonna pay for anything.” I mean he’s desperate now, he’s desperate. You don’t have to pay for anything.” You know, I joked, I said, “And everybody will get a free Rolls Royce. Every family gets a free Rolls Royce. Every family.” And the media said, “Donald Trump is exaggerating. He knows that they’re not getting a Rolls Royce.” Oh. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Don’t put it, don’t put it, don’t put it, don’t put that I said free Rolls Royce. No, but Bernie’s desperate now, I watch him up there. It’s a sad situation. But I think they’re all sad when you get right down to it.


0:53:28 DT: For instance… Okay. We’re in this incredible state, North Carolina. Now you have your best economy that you’ve ever had? Forget the country for a second. You have the best economy you’ve have ever had, you have your best unemployment numbers. You have the most people working than at any time in the history of your state, you have your best Black unemployment numbers, best Hispanic unemployment numbers, best women unemployment numbers, best Asian unemployment numbers. Okay, okay. Alright.


0:54:07 DT: So, what’s my, whoever the opponent is, what they’re gonna just say, “North Carolina, I’m gonna do a great job.” You have the best numbers in the history of our country in your state. So, I don’t know. And we won by a lot.

0:54:23 S?: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

0:54:37 DT: And we won by a lot. I was telling Mike, I was telling my son Eric Trump and Lara’s here, by the way, who was born in North Carolina.


0:55:02 DT: Oh, they do a good job. Lara, do you love this state?

0:55:06 S?: Love you, Lara!


0:55:10 DT: So… And her brother’s here, I have to tell you, he went to this college.


0:55:27 DT: And Brad Parscale is here, the world’s tallest campaign manager in the history of the world.


0:55:34 DT: He’s the tallest in the history of… But most importantly, he’s the best.


0:55:43 DT: World’s tallest manager, but he’s the best manager. Thank you Brad, great job. And he just told me, our poll numbers are through the roof. He just told me that, so I’ll take that. We are a year-and-a-half away but we’re doing well, you see it. You’d know, you’d be the first to know. Number one, you wouldn’t be here, okay? You wouldn’t be here. We haven’t had an empty seat in any event, I don’t believe that we’ve ever been to, I don’t think we’ve ever had… We always have people, we haven’t had an empty seat. You look, I mean anywhere, North Carolina, Ohio, no matter where we go, we pack it and we have thousands and thousands of people and we put screens outside and all, tonight’s not so good, we got a 100 degrees out, but you still have thousands of people out there. We could have sold this arena out. You know that. We could have sold this arena out tonight, 10 times. Can you believe that? 10 times.


0:56:45 DT: Which I think that’s like a poll, right? That’s like a poll ’cause when Biden goes out, I see sleepy Joe, he says they had 115 people show up, 115 people! That’s our first row. That’s our first row! Right? Right?


0:57:06 DT: The Democrat record on healthcare is one of deception and destruction. The last administration said a lie, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,” 28 times, a total lie. My administration is defending your sacred right to choose the doctor and the plan that you want, and we are offering plans up to 60% cheaper than Obamacare and a lot of people are starting to figure that out.


0:57:38 DT: Better health care and we’ll also always protect… And you have to remember this, are you ready? Because they give us a bum rap. Patients with pre-existing conditions are protected by Republicans much more so than protected by Democrats who will never be able to pull it off.


0:58:11 DT: Pre existing conditions. And you know the job we’ve done on healthcare, it’s not talked about, but we’re also doing something, it’s been phenomenal. We have 180 million people right now really happy on private plans and you know what? They’re gonna be taken away. Under the Democrats’ plan all of those people that are thrilled, where they went out and negotiated, cross-state lines, all of the things they did, they went out, negotiated great private plans, they were… It’s all gonna be taken away from you under this plan. Now, I only hope they don’t change because you know, we’re talking too soon. We got a year-and-a-half left. It’s like when I called Pocahontas, Pocahontas. I should have waited six months.


0:58:52 DT: Because she then went out and got that test; 1024th. And I’ve always said I have more Indian blood in me, than she has in her and I have none, I have none but it’s more than she has; 1024th.


0:59:12 DT: But I brought it up too soon. So I don’t talk about it any anymore but if she should be the candidate which I tend to doubt. But if she should be, we’ll bring it up again, and I think it’ll be very successful; 1024th. How about this? I was driving her crazy, so she went out and hired a guy to check the blood. I’m sure he had a lot of fun doing that. He checked her blood and found out that many, many, many, many, many, many years ago, there could have been somebody and he could have been Indian. And then the Indians got together and they said we don’t want her. We don’t want her. Yeah.


1:00:05 DT: We want Trump, we want Trump. They want Trump. We’ve taken historic action…


1:00:11 S?: We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump!

1:00:30 DT: So we’ve taken historic action to fight the opioid epidemic. What a problem. And just today, it was just announced before I came in that drug overdose stats, we’re working so hard on this, including our Vice President, including our first lady, including everybody in the Trump Administration. It’s dropped for the first time in more than 30 years, it’s gone down. First time you know, a big problem.


1:01:00 DT: And in North Carolina, we’re far from finished. It’s a big problem. It declined 8% last year. That’s a lot, ’cause it was just going up like a rocket. Virtually every top Democrat also now supports late-term abortion, ripping babies straight from the mother’s womb. Right up until the moment of birth. Well, then you have the gentleman from, our Governor from Virginia.


1:01:36 DT: So we’re talking about late term. He’s talking about the baby is born before the mother makes the decision. That was the first… That’s the first I’ve heard of it. That’s the first, most of you have heard of it. And then they pass legislation in various states saying that’s okay. This is a baby that’s born. This isn’t late-term. This is a baby that’s born. Nobody’s ever heard anything like that, nobody’s ever seen anything like it. Nobody’s ever seen anything like it. And that, actually, when he had the scandal that became… Can you believe it, the second biggest story?

1:02:17 DT: Can you believe that how important it is? And yet that was the second biggest story. And what a shame when that’s the second biggest story. What happened to our values? Republicans believe that every life is a sacred gift of God.


1:02:39 DT: That’s why I’ve asked Congress to prohibit extreme late-term abortion of babies. Democrats are now the party of high-taxes, high crime, open borders, late-term abortion, intolerance and division. The Republican Party is the party for all Americans and American values.


1:03:08 DT: We are the party of the American worker, the American family and we are the party of the American dream. About the dream.


1:03:19 DT: This is the proud banner the Republican party will carry into the Republican National Convention next summer in the great city of Charlotte, North Carolina.


1:03:37 DT: Don’t disappoint me. That should be good for at least 10 points, right? These are some of the greatest ladies. I see them in Ohio and Florida. We love you too, thank you, really. How many have you been to just out of curiosity? What’s the number?

1:03:53 S?: All of them but two…

1:03:55 DT: All but two. I’ve done hundreds of them. And then they say women don’t like Trump, I think they do.

1:04:02 S?: We love you.

1:04:02 DT: You know… Now I see them, they’re great. Great ladies, you’re great. It’s interesting with women. So women wanna have strong military protection, they wanna have strong borders, they wanna have strong law enforcement, they wanna have great education, they wanna have low taxes for their family, not high taxes. They wanna have all the things that we talk about. Why wouldn’t they want Trump more than anybody else? The other side is gonna go the opposite way.


1:04:40 DT: And they did in the last election, and we’re doing a lot better. You know the difference is, the last election, I was a successful businessman running for president. I said I was gonna do things. And by the way, really successful. I’m gonna show you something some day soon, better show you something. They say, “He was really successful or he wasn’t successful.” “He’s really smart or he’s really stupid, but he’s trying to take over the world.”


1:05:05 DT: They have so many messages. “He’s really stupid.” Then next week, “Donald Trump has a sinister plot to take over the world. He can’t be too stupid.” Because they actually think it’s working, right. I saw one of these so-called comedians the other day, he’s a pretty respected comedian. He said, “He’s not leaving. I’m telling you he’s not leaving. He’ll never leave. He’ll win this election. And in ’24, I’m telling you, he’s not leaving. He’s gonna stay.” So we did through our friend, Dan Scavino, we did a Time Magazine cover. I was on so many times, I don’t even read this thing.


1:05:41 DT: And it says, “Trump 2014-2018” But it says ’20… Here’s where we go. We start at ’16, we go to ’20, we go to ’24. Did you see it? Then it says ’28, ’32, ’36, ’40, ’44.


1:06:07 DT: Now, we don’t need any more time. We don’t need any more time. We need one more. A Senator came to my office, “Sir, I’m 6’7″. I’m great. I’m 6’7″, sir. I can give you great advice.” I said, “Senator, I’m one for one, but it happened to be the president. And now, I wanna be two for two, two for two.” Two for two. So we have ’16, we have ’20, we have ’24. It’s very interesting though. There are really people out there, think I’m not leaving. Can you believe it?


1:06:42 DT: Hey, maybe that is a good idea. Let’s think about it. What? You wanna drive them crazy. They’re gonna go crazy. All I have to do is say, “Let’s think about it.” They’re gonna go crazy.


1:06:56 DT: Now, I promise, I promise, 2024, I leave. By that time, just so you know, by that time, our country will be so well-seated, it will be so strong like never, ever in our history.


1:07:23 DT: But everything that we built, low taxes, strong military, taking care of our vets, all of the things we’ve done can be decimated very quickly if the wrong person gets in, especially now. I’ve always said, 2016 was the most important election maybe in the history of our country. A lot of people felt that. So I don’t know. I can’t say this is more important. What we did was a miracle. Not to us, it wasn’t. But a lot of people said, “It was the greatest election we’ve ever had. There’s never been anything like that. Never been such excitement.”


1:08:00 DT: Never been such excitement. But you know what? If we don’t win in 2020, everything that we’ve done, seriously though, everything that we’ve done, your 401s, they’re gonna crash. The whole thing it’s gonna come down like a stack of cards. So, in a certain way, let’s say, this is of equal importance. By that time, we’ll have values instilled. We’ll have free enterprise instilled. People are working now. We have the lowest food stamps that we’ve had in many years. Lowest food stamp because people are working.


1:08:37 DT: So I really think it’s at least equal, it’s equal, maybe it’s a little less. Who the hell knows? I just know this. It can disappear very, very quickly. We have to get out, we have to vote. That’s why I’m starting early. Can you believe it? We have less… I see all these clowns on television. I say, “Guess, we have to counteract them a little bit.” But this is not what you want running. None of them. This is not what you want running this incredible country of ours. Every day we make good on the motto, “Promises made, promises kept.” I’ve had people back there… I’ve had people back there that don’t like me. And somebody said, very nicely, that, “He’s actually made certain promises, and he’s actually kept more promises than he’s made.” It’s true. I’ve done things… I’ve done things that I never… I never said, “We were going to get,” as an example, “with our vets.” That we’re gonna get Choice, that we were gonna have the ability to fire people that don’t treat our vets properly.


1:09:47 DT: Okay. We can fire them now. They’ve been trying to get that for 44 years. Choice, they’ve been trying to get practically from the beginning, Choice so simple. And yet, they never got it. Nobody got it through. We’re good at getting things through. We’ve done more than we said we would. And a man I know who I don’t like, a businessman, very, very, very successful business… One of the most successful men. I don’t like him, never liked him. He never liked me either by the way. In fact, I would go a step further. He cannot stand me. And I saw him about two months ago. And he came up to me. I said, “How you doing?” Very warm. “Hey, how you doing? Let’s get out of here.” And he said, “I’m doing good. You’re doing good?” I said, “Yeah.” I said, “You don’t like me, and I don’t like you. I never have liked you, and you never have liked me. But you’re gonna support me ’cause you’re a rich guy. And if you don’t support me, you’re gonna be so goddamn poor, you’re not gonna believe it.” It’s true. It’s true. It’s true.


1:11:00 DT: And he said to me, “Mr. President… ” He calls me Mr. President. Everybody calls me Mr. President. It’s true. It’s a funny thing. He said, “Mr. President, you’re right, I’m supporting you. I think you’re doing a great job.” And maybe we didn’t get along, but it’s not like he has a choice. He has no choice. And on top of that, it’s a good choice ’cause we’ve done the right thing. And it is funny, with the name, Mr. President. So I have friends, really good friends, and they’ve always called me Don, Donald, DJ, they call me anything, right? And you lose all your friends when you’re President, because they’re all afraid to talk to you. Does that make sense? No, it’s true. Except for these six, seven ladies up here. They always talk. They’re not intimidated… No, it’s true. I have guys, I have wonderful friends. New York developers, tough guys, smart guys. They’re rich, they’re this, that…

1:11:50 S?: We love you.

1:11:50 DT: I have middle of the road, I have poor, I have everybody. I have poor guys, middle of the road and rich guys. Doesn’t matter. Rich guys call up, “Mr. President, how are you sir? It’s Richard.” “Oh good Rich. Hey, Richard, loosen up.” This is a guy who used to, “Hey, Don, how you doing? Let’s go to dinner.” Now you’re, “Sir is everything… You’re doing good, sir.”


1:12:10 DT: I said, “Richard, call me Donald like you always did. Call me Donald. Always call me Donald.” “Okay, thank you Donald. Thank you very much.” And then two minutes later, “Mr. President, it’s been so great to… “


1:12:23 DT: I lost all my friends. They’ve tightened up. They’ve choked. You know what that is? They’ve choked. They can’t breathe because people have such respect for the office of the presidency. They have respect for the office of the president. They have respect for our country again. Our country is respected again.


1:12:53 DT: We’ve confirmed more than 125 federal judges to apply the law as written, including two Supreme Court Justices, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh.


1:13:13 DT: We’ve launched a historic initiative to reduce the price of prescription drugs. And last year… This is… I’m so proud of this ’cause we have no help from the Democrats. Last year for the first time in over 50 years, drug prices went down.


1:13:35 DT: And that was for a reason. To give former prisoners a second chance at life, we passed groundbreaking criminal justice reform.


1:13:49 DT: It’s a big thing. Prisoners, they’ve got out of jail and they never had an economy like this, and we did a lot of things because they get out of jail, they don’t have a chance. They always go back, most of the time. Now, they’re coming out and we have programs. But most importantly we have this great economy where people are hiring prisoners. And you have to see the reviews they’re getting. They’re getting phenomenal reviews. It’s a beautiful thing. It’s a beautiful thing what’s happening with prisoners, they get out and they can actually get a job and that’s what’s happening, we’re very proud of it.


1:14:26 DT: We’re expanding Opportunity Zones so that no American is left behind. It’s one of the great successes, the Opportunity Zones. Nobody talks about, it’s one of the great successes. And thanks to our pledge to America’s workers, private sector partners will provide apprenticeships and job training to nine million Americans. Isn’t that nice?


1:14:53 DT: And whenever I hear that word “apprentice”, I say I love that word, that was a good show. They figured, “You know what we’ll do? We’ll get Arnold Schwarzenegger to take my place.” That didn’t work out too well.

1:15:09 S?: You’re the best, Trump.

1:15:09 DT: That didn’t work out too well. We had 14 seasons. Think of that. The Apprentice. I proudly signed four by-partisan human trafficking laws, securing $400 million to support victims of human trafficking.


1:15:30 DT: And we have secured, soon to be three years, record funding for our military. We wanna cut budgets, but this is beyond budget.


1:15:44 DT: I withdrew the United States from the horrible, one-sided, disgusting Iran Nuclear Deal and Iran is a different country today than it was. My administration proudly recognised the true capital of Israel and opened the American Embassy in Jerusalem.


1:16:11 DT: That was someday. They all said, “Many, many Presidents have said, ‘We’re going to do it,’ then they never did it.” I know why, because the pressure on them was enormous not to do it. And then on top of it, a couple of months ago I just approved the Golan Heights for Israel. The Golan Heights, another thing. Fifty-two years they tried to do that, they didn’t get it done. So we’re doing good. We also recognize the legitimate government of Venezuela and we condemn those that want to stop freedom in that country and other countries. Tonight we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country, will never, ever, be a socialist country. It just won’t happen.


1:17:04 DT: A vote for any Democrat in 2020 is a vote for the rise of radical socialism and the destruction of the American dream. Frankly, the destruction of our country. That’s what’s going to happen. Take a look around. Their party is afflicted with an ideological sickness that protects foreign borders but refuses to protect our own borders. Think of it. They fight all over the world. A lot of those people are coming back home folks, they’re coming back home a lot. We defeated ISIS, the caliphate in Syria. We’re bringing our soldiers back home.


1:17:43 DT: ISIS does not like me too much, but I came here and it was a mess, it was a mess. And I met with generals. General, believe it or not, one general, his name is Raisin, I said, “What’s your name?” “Sir,” This guy’s like out of a movie, “Sir,” watch he’s gonna be famous after this, but who cares? “What’s your name?” He goes, “Sir, my name is Raisin.” I said, “Raisin? Like you mean a little raisin?” “Yes sir, that’s my name, that’s what they call me.” “What’s your last name?” “Cane.” I said, “You mean your name is Raisin Cane? You gotta be… “


1:18:22 DT: I said, “Raisin Cane, you’re my kinda general, let me talk to you Raisin Cane, get over here.” And my previous generals said, “It’s gonna be a long time before we take out the caliphate.” I said to Raisin Cane and a couple of other generals that were there, these guys are central casting like from a movie, except better. They’re stronger, bigger, tougher, meaner, and actually better looking in a certain way. But they’re like from a movie, there’s nobody in Hollywood plays a role like this. I said, “Generals, I’ve been told it’s gonna take a year, two years to get 100%.” Remember, I want to pull them out, we’re down to 1%. Everyone went crazy. Explain that one. But they said it was gonna take a long time. I said to Raisin Cane and the other generals, “General, how long can it take?” They said, “Sir, one month.” I said, “What?” “We’re gonna hit them from the front, we’re gonna hit them from the back, we’re gonna hit them from the side sir, we’re gonna hit them like they never got hit before, we were never allowed to do this, sir.”


1:19:28 DT: “And we’re not just gonna hit them from our temporary base in Syria sir, we’re gonna hit them from Iraq, we’re gonna hit them from places that they never knew existed sir. They’ll be hit so goddamn hard sir, they will be… ” Thank you very much, very shortly, very, very shortly. It was over, we had 100% of the caliphate, and these people were screwing around for years.


1:19:49 DT: Obama, President Obama. My generals did a great job. I flew there, I flew to Iraq, remember? I’m in Air Force One, and they notify me, “Sir, we’re 45 minutes out, sir. We have to close all windows, we have to turn off all lights on the plane sir. All windows, all the lights have to be off sir. We’re turning off the lights outside and the runway light sir, they’re gonna be at a very dim… ” Frankly if you’re not a 30-year-old pilot, you can’t see them. ‘Cause I went there, I said, “I don’t see any light pilot.” As we’re landing, I said, “I said I don’t see… ” And then I thought to myself, “Think of it, we’ve spent almost $8 trillion in the Middle East and we gotta turn off the lights of an airplane to land, how bad is that?” They didn’t do their job, we did our job, and the military did their job, but we fight to sort of just keep going, we don’t fight to win. I fight to win, I fight to win.


1:20:55 DT: I fight to win. So, we’re landing this big beautiful Air Force One, and I’m saying, “Major, I don’t see a runway.” “Yes sir, it’s right up ahead.” You know, guy’s 30 years old or something. Now they’ll get me on that, they’ll say, “Majors aren’t 30,” so maybe he’s 35 whatever he is. They’re saying, “Yes sir, it’s right there.” “I don’t see it, Major. How about lifting up? Let’s go around.” That’s the last thing we wanna do in that part of the world. He said, “Sir, it’s right there, sir.” And we’re landing and I still haven’t seen a light. But these guys, we have the greatest pilots in the world, we have the greatest military in the world, we have the greatest equipment in the world, in the world.


1:21:45 DT: So you must never forget the 2020 election is all about one thing, you, it’s about you. It’s about your family, it’s about your future, and the fate of your beautiful, loving country, and that’s what it is. We begin our North Carolina campaign with the best record, the best results, the best agenda, and the only positive vision for our nation’s future. We love our nation, our nation is great today, it’s going to be much greater, every year it’s getting better and better. We have turned this big, beautiful mighty ship, we have turned it around. It’s getting better, better, better.


1:22:41 DT: Together, we will continue unleashing the power of American enterprise, so every American can know the dignity of work, and the pride of a paycheck. With your help, we will elect a Republican Congress, those great gentleman that just left the stage, to create a safe, modern, fair, and lawful system of immigration. We will enact trade deals, and they are going like you won’t even believe. That doesn’t mean the other countries are thrilled with me. There was a recent poll, Germany likes Obama better than Trump, a lot better. I said, “Of course, because… “

1:23:29 DT: Positive vision for our nation’s future. We love our nation, our nation is great today, it’s going to be much greater, every year it’s getting better and better. We have turned this big, beautiful mighty ship, we have turned it around. It’s getting better, better, better.


1:23:57 DT: Together we will continue unleashing the power of American enterprise, so every American can know the dignity of work and the pride of a paycheck. With your help, we will elect a Republican Congress, those great gentleman that just left the stage, to create a safe, modern, fair and lawful system of immigration. We will enact trade deals and they are going like you won’t even believe. That doesn’t mean the other countries are thrilled with me. There was a recent poll, Germany likes Obama better than Trump, a lot better. I said, “Of course because I’m making them pay their bills.”


1:24:43 DT: I’m saying you gotta pay. I say, “Angela, Angela you gotta pay, Angela.” Obama would go in, make a speech, leave. I go in and make a speech, I say, “Let me speak to Angela. Angela you gotta pay your bills, you’re way behind.” So I would think that they should, they should all like… When you hear they like me better, I’m not doing my job, true. I’m not doing my job. They did a poll on one of these network and they would say, “Donald Trump is not liked in Europe nearly as much as President Obama.” I said… “Or President Bush,” or anybody, or anybody. In fact, I’m disliked but actually they respect us, that’s more important. Look at that beautiful baby, look at that beautiful baby, wow, what a baby, what a baby, that is a beautiful baby, that’s like from an advertisement, perfect. Look how happy that baby is, so beautiful, thank you darling, that’s really nice. It’s a great thing, is that your husband? That’s a great thing, thank you. Congratulations, husband.


1:26:00 DT: Man! What a picture. But we’re gonna have the country all set for your child, okay? Awesome. ‘Cause that’s what it’s about.


1:26:18 DT: Now, the media will say that’s a prop. They’ll say no baby is so beautiful, that had to be a set up. I never saw that guy in my life, which is true. Thank you, good luck, thank you very much.


1:26:33 DT: We will enact trade deals that ensure more products are proudly stamped with those four beautiful words, “Made in America”, “Made in the USA”, either one is okay with me, keep America great, that’s right. We will give school choice to millions of underserved children who are trapped in failing government schools. We will defend privacy, free speech, religious liberty and the right to keep and bear arms. They’re going to take your guns away.


1:27:15 DT: And above all, we will never stop fighting for the values that bind us together as one great nation, as one America, as one America.


1:27:30 DT: We believe in the American constitution and we believe in the rule of law, we believe in the dignity of work and in the sanctity of life. We believe that faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, are the true American way. We believe that children, like your child, should be taught to love our country, honor our history and always respect our great American flag.


1:28:04 DT: And we live by the words of our national motto, “In God We Trust”.


1:28:15 DT: We are fighting for every American mom and dad who wants to protect this land of liberty for their precious children. We have been blessed with the greatest republic on the face of the earth but it was going in the wrong direction and now we are turning it around, it is going better than ever before and we’re going to keep it that way, we’re going to keep it that way.


1:28:45 DT: With your help, with your devotion, with your drive, we are going to keep on working, we are going to keep on fighting, and we are going to keep on winning.


1:29:03 DT: We are one movement, one movement, think of that. We are one big beautiful movement. There has never been a movement like this, you don’t hear it that often, they know it but you don’t hear it. In the history of our country, there has never been a movement like this. And this movement is stronger now than it was three years ago. This is the strongest movement in the history of our country.


1:29:34 DT: But we are, we’re one movement, we’re one people, one family and one glorious nation under God.


1:29:47 DT: We’re doing things that nobody thought was possible. No other nation thought it was possible what we’re doing. We are so respected, you have no idea how our nation has gone so far up in the eyes and the minds of the rest of the world, so respected.


1:30:17 DT: Because together, we will make America wealthy again.


1:30:26 DT: Of course, we did just hit the highest price in the history of the market. So pretty soon, I hate to say, I don’t wanna ruin the rhetorical scale but that is sort of like getting a little obsolete, we will make our nation wealthy again. The fact is we have the strongest stock market in our history. So I think I’ll have to change it, you’ve all heard it many times, right? We will make America wealthy again. We’re gonna have to say, “We have made America wealthy again.” right.


1:31:06 DT: So here’s one, we will make America strong again, no, no, we’re gonna have to change this, “We have made America strong again.”


1:31:20 DT: And just so you know, we have made America great again. Give up MAGA. How do you give up MAGA? Make America great again, but we’ve done that. Can you imagine if keep America great didn’t work? I have the greatest phrase probably in the history of politics in this country. Look at her beautiful hat, it looks very good on you but look at this, look at those beautiful hats, but make America great again but we’ve done that. Our new phrase for the 2020 campaign is, “Keep America Great.” Thank you.

Bernie Sanders 2020 Campaign Kickoff in Brooklyn – #Transcripts2020

As part of our #Transcripts2020 project, we are pleased to release the transcript of Bernie Sanders 2020 Campaign Kickoff in Brooklyn announcement speech. An editable version is available here. All transcripts of this series are available here.

00:00 Bernie Sanders: Brooklyn, thank you.


00:08 BS: What an incredible crowd, thank you so much. Let me… Let me thank Akila for her wonderful rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner. Let me thank Scott Chason who is standing up not just for the workers in Erie, Pennsylvania, against corporate greed, but for every worker in America. Scott, thank you very much.


00:45 BS: And let me thank representative Terry Alexander of South Carolina. And Terry is right, this is going to be a 50-state campaign. We’re not gonna concede one state to Donald Trump.


01:11 BS: And let me thank my very good friend, Nina Turner. Nina has been with me all across this country. Nina has helped develop one of the great grassroots organizations in this country, Our Revolution. And Nina is mobilizing people from one end of this country to the other… [01:44] ____ Nina, thank you very much. And let me thank Shaun King. All over this country, and I’m gonna say a few words about it today and more tomorrow, people understand we have a broken criminal justice system. And there are few people in American more than Shaun who are fighting to change that system. Shaun, thank you.


02:27 BS: And, lastly, let me thank my wife and my family. Thank you, Jane, and Levi, and David, and Heather, and Karina, and all my beautiful seven grandchildren for the support you’ve given me. Thank you all for coming out today.


03:00 BS: So, you let me thank the weatherman for giving us Vermont weather, thank you. And thank you all for being part of a political revolution which is going to transform America.


03:23 S?: Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!

03:29 BS: No! No! No! It is not Bernie, it is you! It’s us together! And I want to thank all of you for being part of a campaign which is not only going to win the democratic nomination, which is not only going to defeat Donald Trump, who is the most dangerous president in modern American history, but with your help we are going to transform this country and finally create an economy and a government which works for all of us, not just the 1%.


04:34 BS: Today, at our very first rally, I want to welcome you to a campaign, which says loudly and clearly that the underlying principles of our government will not be greed, hatred, and lies. It will not be racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and religious bigotry. It will not be tax breaks for billionaires and efforts to throw millions off the healthcare that they currently have. This campaign is going to end all of that. The principles of our government will be based on justice: On economic justice, on social justice, on racial justice, on environmental justice. Today, I welcome you to a campaign which tells the powerful special interests who control so much of our economic and political life, that we will no longer tolerate the greed of corporate America and the billionaire class. Greed which has resulted in this country having more income and wealth inequality than any other major country on earth.


06:49 S?: Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!

06:49 S?: Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!

06:53 BS: No, we will no longer stand idly by and allow three families in this country to own more wealth than the bottom half of the American people. And while these families become richer, over 20% of our children live in poverty, veterans sleep out on the streets, and senior citizens cannot afford their prescription drugs. We are here to tell the 1% that we will no longer tolerate 46% of all new income going to the very richest people in this country, while millions of Americans are working two or three jobs just to survive and pay the bills.


08:02 BS: Today we launch our fight for a political revolution and we say to the private health insurance companies, whether you like it or not, the United States is going to join every other major country on Earth and guarantee healthcare to all people as a right. And you can spend all the money you want against us, we will have a Medicare for all, single-payer system. And today we say to the pharmaceutical industry, that you will no longer charge the American people the highest prices in the world by far for the medicine they desperately need. Whether you like it or not, your greed is gonna end and we are gonna low the cost of prescription drugs in this country. Today we say to Walmart, to the fast food industry and to other low wage employers, stop paying your workers starvation wages. Yes, we are going to raise the minimum wage in this country to at least 15 bucks an hour and we are gonna make it easier for workers to join unions.

10:05 BS: Today we say to the American people that we will rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, our roads, and our bridges, and our rail system, our water systems, our waste water plants, and our airports. And when we do that, we’re gonna create up to 13 million decent paying jobs. And today we say to the parents in our country that you and your children deserve quality affordable child care. And today, here at Brooklyn college, we say the young people all over this country, we want you to get the best education you can regardless of your income. Good jobs require a good education, and that is why we are going to make public colleges and universities tuition free. And why we are going to substantially lower the outrageous level of student debt in this country.

11:48 BS: America once had… Once had the best educated workforce in the world, and we are going to make that happen again. And today we say to our senior citizens in Vermont, in Brooklyn, in California, we know you cannot survive with dignity on 14,000 dollars a year social security. My republican colleagues in the senate wanna cut social security benefits. Well, we’ve got some bad news for them, we’re going to raise social security benefits.

12:43 BS: Today we say to Donald Trump and the fossil fuel industry, that climate change is not a hoax. But it is an existential threat to our country and the entire planet, and we intend to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel, and into energy efficiency and sustainable energy. And when we do that, we’re gonna create millions of good paying jobs. All of us, and every person in this country, has a moral responsibility to make certain that the planet we leave our kids and our grandchildren is a planet that is healthy and habitable.


14:01 BS: And today we say to the prison industrial complex that we are going to achieve real criminal justice reform in this country. We are going to end the international embarrassment of the United States having more people in jail than any other country on Earth. Instead of spending 80 billion a year in jails and incarceration, we are going to invest in jobs and education for our young people. No more private prisons, no more profiteering from locking people up, no more war on drugs that has destroyed so many lives.

15:13 BS: No more keeping people in jail because they are too poor to afford cash bail. And by the way, when we talk about criminal justice reform we’re gonna change a system in which tens of thousands of Americans every year get criminal records for possessing marijuana, but not one major Wall Street executive went to jail for destroying our economy in 2008. No, they didn’t go to jail, they got a trillion dollar bail out. Today we say to the American people that instead of demonizing the undocumented immigrants in this country, we’re gonna pass comprehensive immigration reform and provide a path toward citizenship.

16:42 BS: We’re gonna provide legal status to the 1.8 million young people eligible for the DACA program and develop a humane border policy for those who seek asylum. The United States will no longer snatch babies from the arms of their mothers. Today we say to the 1% and the large, profitable corporations in America, listen up because this applies to you. We say to the 1% in large corporations that under a Bernie Sanders administration, you’re not gonna be getting more tax breaks. Quite the contrary, we’re gonna end your tax breaks and your loop holes, you are gonna start paying your fair share of taxes.

17:56 S?: Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!


18:02 BS: We will no longer… We will no longer accept the absurd situation where large multi-billion dollar corporations like Amazon, Netflix, and General Motors pay nothing in federal income taxes. And we’re not gonna allow these corporations and the billionaires to stash their money in the Cayman Islands and in other tax havens. Yes, the wealthy and multinational corporations will start paying their fair share of taxes. We’re going to end austerity for working families and bring a little austerity for the wealthy and the powerful.

18:58 BS: Today we say to the military industrial complex that we will not continue to spend 700 billion dollars a year on the military, more than the top 10 nations combined. We’re gonna invest in affordable housing, we’re gonna invest in public education, and we’re going to invest in our crumbling infrastructure. No more major major investments in never ending wars.


19:49 BS: Brothers and sisters, we are going to win this election not because we have a super PAC funded by billionaires. We’re gonna win this election because we are putting together the strongest grassroots campaign in the history of American politics.


20:25 BS: Donald Trump wants to divide us up based on the color of our skin, based on where we were born, based on our gender, based on our religion or our sexual orientation. What we are about is doing exactly the opposite, we’re gonna bring our people together.


21:06 BS: Black and white, Latino, Asian-American, Native-American, gay and straight, young and old, men and women, native-born and immigrant, we are together and together we will transform this country.


21:35 BS: If I might take a moment, as I return here to the area that I was born, let me say a few personal words. As we launch this campaign for president, you deserve to know where I came from because family history, obviously, heavily influences the values that we develop as adults. I was born, literally, a few miles away from here on East 26th Street in King’s Highway. And my family and I lived in a three and a half room, rent-controlled apartment. My father was a paint salesman who worked hard his entire life but never made much money. And my mother raised my brother and me. I learned a great deal about immigration as a child because my father came from Poland at the age of 17 without a nickel in his pocket, without knowing one word of English. He came to the United States to escape the crushing poverty that existed in his community and to escape widespread anti-semitism.

23:10 BS: And it was a good thing that he came to this country because virtually his entire family was wiped up by Hitler and Nazi barbarism. I am not going to tell you that I grew up in a home of desperate poverty, that would not be true. But what I will tell you is that coming from a lower middle-class family, I will never forget about how money or really, lack of money was always a point of stress in our family. My mother’s dream was that some day our family would move out of that rent-controlled apartment to a home of our own. That dream was never fulfilled. She died young, while we still lived in that rent-controlled apartment. My experience as a child living in a family that struggled economically powerfully influenced my life and my values. I know where I came from. And that is something I will never forget. Unlike Donald Trump, who shut down the government and left 800,000 federal employees without income to pay their bills, I know what it’s like to be in a family that lives paycheck to paycheck.

24:58 BS: Now it is true, I did not have a father who gave me millions of dollars to build luxury skyscrapers, casinos, and country clubs. I did not come from a family that gave me a $200,000 allowance every year, beginning at the age of three. As I recall, my allowance was 25 cents a week. But I had something more valuable. I had the role model of a father who had unbelievable courage in journeying across an ocean, with no money in his pocket, to start a new and better life. I did not come from a family of privilege that prepared me to entertain people on television by telling workers, “You’re fired.” I came from a family who knew all too well the frightening power employers can have over every day workers.

26:24 BS: I did not come from a family that could afford to send my brother and me to an elite boarding school. In fact, I was educated proudly in high quality public schools here in Brooklyn. And began my higher education right here on this campus.


26:54 BS: I should also mention that my brother Larry graduated from Brooklyn College. I did not come from a family that taught me to build a corporate empire through housing discrimination, I protested housing discrimination, was arrested for protesting school segregation. And one of the proudest days of my life was attending the March on Washington for jobs and freedom led by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.


27:45 BS: Brothers and sisters, over the last two years and before that, you and I and millions of Americans have stood up and fought for justice in every part of our society, and we’ve had some successes. Together as billionaires and large corporations have attacked unions, destroyed pensions, deregulated the banks, and slashed wages, we have succeeded in raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour in states and cities all across this country. And together, we forced Amazon and the Disney Corporation to do the same.


28:35 BS: And together, we have stood with teachers all across this country who went out on strike to fight for better schools for their kids. Together, as the forces of militarism have kept us engaged in never ending wars, we have stored together and fought back. For the first time in 45 years, we have utilized the War Powers Act to move us forward to end the horrific Saudi-led war in Yemen.


29:21 BS: Together, as so many of our young people have received criminal records for non-violent offenses, we have fought to end the war on drugs and have seen state after state decriminalize the possession of marijuana. And are beginning to see states and communities expunge the records of those who are arrested for marijuana.


29:54 BS: We have won some victories but, clearly, we have a long, long way to go. And I am here to tell you that because all of the work we have done together, we are on the brink of not just winning an election but transforming our country.


30:24 BS: And let me tell you a little of what that means. When we are in the White House, we will enact a federal jobs guarantee to ensure that everyone in this country is guaranteed a job. There is more than enough work to be done in this country, let’s get it done.


30:58 BS: When we are in the White House, we will attack the problem of urban gentrification and build the affordable housing this country desperately needs. When we are in the White House, we will end the decline of rural America. We will re-open rural hospitals that I’ve been closed. And we will make sure that the young people in rural communities have decent jobs so that they can remain in the communities that they love.


31:47 BS: When we are in the White House, we’re gonna end the epidemic of gun violence in this country. And we are gonna pass the common sense gun safety legislation that the overwhelming majority of Americans wanna see.


32:10 BS: When we are in the White House, we’re going to address not only the national disparities of wealth and income, but the racial disparities of wealth and income. We are going together to root out institutional racism wherever it exists. Not only will we end the cowardly outrage of voter suppression, we’re gonna make it easier for people to vote, not harder.


32:52 BS: When we are in the White House, we are going to protect a woman’s right to control her own body.


33:04 BS: That decision is a woman’s decision, not the federal government, not the state government, not the local government. Please make no mistake about it. The struggle that we are undertaking is not just about defeating Donald Trump. This struggle is about taking on the incredibly powerful institutions that control the economic and political life of our nation. And I am… And let me be very specific, I’m talking about Wall Street, I’m talking about the insurance companies, the drug companies, the military-industrial complex, the prison-industrial complex, the fossil fuel industry, and a corrupt campaign finance system that enables billionaires to buy elections.


34:23 BS: Brothers and sisters, we have…

34:29 S?: Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!


34:41 BS: Brothers and sisters, we have an enormous amount of work in front of us and the path forward will not be easy. The wealthy and powerful elite who decade after decade have gotten everything they want will do all that they can to defend their financial interests, and they have an unlimited amount of money at their disposal. But we have something that they do not have, we have the people together.


35:37 BS: So this is what I believe. This is what I believe from the bottom of my heart, if we do not allow Trump and his friends to divide us up, if we stand together, black and white, and Latino, Asian-American, Native-American. If we stand together, urban and rural, north, south, east and west. If we stand together not as red state and blue state, but as working people fighting for dignity. If we stand together believing in justice and human dignity, if we stand together believing in love and compassion, if we stay together, brothers and sisters, the future of this country is extraordinary and there is nothing we will not be able to accomplish. Thank you all very much.

Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Announcement Transcript #Transcripts2020

As part of our #Transcripts2020 project, we are pleased to release the transcript of Donald Trump Presidential Campaign announcement speech. An editable version is available here. All transcripts of this series are available here.


00:00 Donald Trump: Wow, wow, that is some group of people, thousands, so nice, thank you very much, that’s really nice, thank you. It’s great to be at Trump Tower, it’s great to be in a wonderful city New York and it’s an honor to have everybody here, this is beyond anybody’s expectations. There’s been no crowd like this and I can tell you some of the candidates they went in, they didn’t know the air conditioner didn’t work, they sweated like dogs, they didn’t know the room was too big because they didn’t have anybody there, how are they gonna beat ISIS, I don’t think it’s gonna happen.


00:44 DT: Our country is in serious trouble, we don’t have victories anymore. We used to have victories but we don’t have them. When was the last time anybody saw us beating, let’s say, China in a trade deal? They kill us. I beat China all the time, all the time. When did we beat Japan at anything? They send their cars over by the millions and what do we do? When was the last time you saw a Chevrolet in Tokyo? It doesn’t exist, folks, they beat us all the time. When did we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us at our stupidity and now they’re beating us economically, they are not our friend, believe me, but they’re killing us economically. The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems.


01:58 DT: Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best, they’re not sending you, they’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists and some I assume are good people, but I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting and it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense, they’re sending us not the right people, it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East, but we don’t know ’cause we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening and it’s got to stop, and it’s got to stop fast.


03:04 DT: Islamic terrorism is eating up large portions of the Middle East, they become rich, I’m in competition with them, they just built a hotel in Syria, can you believe this, they built a hotel. When I have to build a hotel I pay interest, they don’t have to pay interest because they took the oil that when we left Iraq I said we should have taken, so now ISIS has the oil and what they don’t have Iran has and in ’19, and I will tell you this and I said it very strongly. Years ago I said, and I love the military and I wanna have the strongest military that we’ve ever had and we need it more now than ever, but I said don’t hit Iraq because you’re going to totally destabilize the Middle East, Iran is going to take over the Middle East, Iran and somebody else will get the oil and it turned out that Iran is now taking over Iraq, think of it. Iran is taking over Iraq and they’re taking it over big league.

04:19 DT: We spent $2 trillion in Iraq, $2 trillion, we lost thousands of lives, thousands in Iraq, we have wounded soldiers who I love, I love, they’re great, all over the place, thousands and thousands of wounded soldiers and we have nothing, we can’t even go there, we have nothing and every time we give Iraq equipment, the first time a bullet goes off in the air, they leave it. Last week I read 2300 Humvees, these are big vehicles, were left behind for the enemy 2000, you would say maybe two, maybe four, 2300 sophisticated vehicles they ran and the enemy took them.

05:19 S?: We need Trump now.


05:21 DT: You’re right. Last quarter, it was just announced our Gross Domestic Product, a sign of strength, right? But not for us, it was below zero, who ever heard of this? It’s never below zero. Our labor participation rate was the worst since 1978, but think of it, GDP below zero, horrible labor participation rate and our real unemployment is anywhere from 18% to 20%, don’t believe the 5.6%, don’t believe it. That’s right, a lot of people up there can’t get jobs, they can’t get jobs, ’cause there are no jobs, because China has our jobs and Mexico has our jobs, they all have our jobs but the real number, the real number is anywhere from 18% to 19% and maybe even 21% and nobody talks about it because it’s a statistic that’s full of nonsense.

06:33 S?: We want jobs now.


06:40 DT: Our enemies are getting stronger and stronger by the day, and we as a country are getting weaker. Even our nuclear arsenal doesn’t work. It came out recently, they have equipment that’s 30 years old, they don’t even know if it works. And I thought it was horrible when it was broadcast on television, because boy, does that send signals to Putin and all of the other people that look at us and they say, “That is a group of people, and that is a nation, that true…

[background conversation]

07:27 DT: We have a disaster called The Big Lie, Obamacare, Obamacare. Yesterday it came out that costs are going for people up 29%, 39%, 49% and even 55%, and deductibles are through the roof, you have to get hit by a tractor, literally a tractor to use it. Because the deductibles are so high it’s virtually useless, it is a disaster. And remember the $5 billion website, $5 billion, we spent on a website. And to this day it doesn’t work. A $5 billion website. I have so many websites, I have ’em all over the place, I hire people, they do a website. It costs me $3. $5 billion website.

08:30 S?: We want Trump.

08:41 DT: Well, you need somebody because politicians are all talk, no action, nothing’s gonna get done, they will not bring us, believe me, to the promised land. They will not. As an example, I’ve been on the circuit making speeches, and I hear my fellow Republicans, and they’re wonderful people, I like ’em. They all want me to support them, they don’t know how to bring it about. They come up to my office, I’m meeting with three of them in the next week. And they don’t know, “Are you running? Are you not running? Could we have your support? What do we do? How do we do it?”

09:21 DT: I like ’em. And I hear their speeches, and they don’t talk jobs, and they don’t talk China. When was the last time you heard, “China is killing us.” They’re devaluing their currency to a level that you wouldn’t believe, it makes it impossible for our companies to compete, impossible. They’re killing us. But you don’t hear that from anybody else, you don’t hear it from anybody else. And I watch the speeches… Thank you. I watch the speeches of these people. And they say, “The sun will rise, the moon will set, all sorts of wonderful things will happen over… ” And people are saying, “What’s going on? I just want a job, just get me a job. I don’t need the rhetoric, I want a job.” And that’s what’s happening, and it’s going to get worse. Because remember, Obamacare really kicks in in ’16, 2016. Obama is gonna be out playing golf. He might even be on one of my courses, I would invite him. I actually would say. I have the best courses in the world, so I’d say, “You know what, if you want… See, I have one right next to the White House, right on the Potomac.” If he’d like to play, that’s fine.

10:38 DT: In fact, I’d love him to leave early and play. That would be a very good thing. But Obamacare kicks in in 2016, really big league. It is going to be amazingly destructive. Doctors are quitting, I have a friend who’s a doctor, and he said to me the other day, “Donald, I never saw anything like it. I have more accountants than I have nurses, it’s a disaster. My patients are beside themselves. They had a plan that was good, they have no plan now.” We have to repeal Obamacare, and it can be replaced… And, and it can be replaced with something much better for everybody, let it be for everybody, but much better and much less expensive for people and for the government, and we can do it.

11:39 DT: So I’ve watched the politicians, I’ve dealt with them all my life. If you can’t make a good deal with a politician, then there’s something wrong with you, you’re certainly not very good. And that’s what we have representing us. They will never make America great again. They don’t even have a chance. They’re controlled fully, they are controlled fully by the lobbyists, by the donors, and by the special interests, fully. Yes, they control them. Hey, I have lobbyists, I have to tell you. I have lobbyists that can produce anything for me, they’re great. But you know what, it won’t happen, it won’t happen. Because we have to stop doing things for some people but for this country, it’s destroying our country, we have to stop, and it has to stop now.

12:39 DT: Now, our country needs, our country needs a truly great leader, and we need a truly great leader now. We need a leader that wrote The Art of the Deal. We need a leader that can bring back our jobs, can bring back our manufacturing, can bring back our military, can take care of our vets, our vets have been abandoned.


13:16 DT: And we also need a cheerleader. You know, when President Obama was elected I said, “Well, the one thing I think he’ll do well, I think he’ll be a great cheerleader for the country. I think he’d be a great spirit.” He was vibrant, he young, I really thought that he would be a great cheerleader.

13:42 S?: But not a leader.

13:43 DT: He’s not a leader, that’s true, you’re right about that, but he wasn’t a cheerleader, he’s actually a negative force, he’s been a negative force. He wasn’t a cheerleader, he was the opposite. We need somebody that can take the brand of the United States and make it great again, it’s not great again.


14:09 DT: We need somebody… We need somebody that literally will take this country and make it great again. We can do that and I will tell you, I love my life, I have a wonderful family, they’re saying, “Dad, you’re gonna do something that’s gonna be so tough.” You know, all of my life I’ve heard that a truly successful person, a really, really successful person, an even modestly successful cannot run for public office. It just can’t happen and yet, that’s the kind of mindset that you need to make this country great again. So, ladies and gentlemen, I am officially running for President of the United States, and we are going to make our country great again.



15:34 DT: It can happen, our country has tremendous potential, we have tremendous people, we have people that aren’t working, we have people that have no incentive to work, but they’re gonna have incentive to work. Because the greatest social program is a job and they’ll be proud and they’ll love it and they’ll make much more money than they would have ever made and they’ll be doing so well. And we’re gonna be thriving as a country, thriving, it can happen. I will be the greatest jobs President that God ever created, I tell you that.


16:22 DT: I’ll bring back our jobs from China, from Mexico, from Japan, from so many places. I’ll bring back our jobs and I’ll bring back our money. Right now, think of this, we owe China $1.3 trillion. We owe Japan more than that, so they come in, they take our jobs, they take our money, and then they loan us back the money and we pay them an interest and then the dollar goes up, so their deal is even better. How stupid are our leaders, how stupid are these politicians to allow this to happen, how stupid are they?


17:04 S?: We want Trump, we want Trump, we want Trump, we want Trump, we want Trump.

17:13 DT: I’m gonna tell you… Thank you. I’m gonna tell you a couple of stories about trade, because I’m totally against the trade bill for a number of reasons. Number one, the people negotiating it don’t have a clue. Our President doesn’t have a clue, he’s a bad negotiator. He’s the one that did Bergdahl, we get Bergdahl, they get five killer terrorists that everybody wanted over there, we get Bergdahl, we get a traitor, we get a no good traitor and they get the five people that they wanted for years and those people are now back on the battlefield trying to kill us, that’s the negotiator we have. Take a look at the deal he’s making with Iran, he makes that deal, Israel maybe won’t exist very long. It’s a disaster and we have to protect Israel.

18:02 S?: Yes, we do.


18:04 S?: Yes, we do.


18:10 DT: So we need people… I’m a free-trader, but the problem with free trade is you need really talented people to negotiate for you. If you don’t have talented people, if you don’t have great leadership, if you don’t have people that know business, not just a political hack that got the job because he made a contribution to a campaign, which is the way all jobs just about are gotten. Free trade is terrible, free trade can be wonderful if you have smart people, but we have people that are stupid. We have people that aren’t smart and we have people that are controlled by special interests and it’s just not gonna work.

18:52 DT: So here’s a couple of stories happened recently. A friend of mine is a great manufacturer and you know China comes over and they dump all their stuff and I buy it, I buy it, because frankly I have an obligation to buy it, because they devalue their currency so brilliantly, and they just did it recently and nobody thought they could do it again. But with all our problems with Russia, with all our problems with everything, everything, they got away with it again. And it’s impossible for our people here to compete, so I wanna tell you this story.

19:29 DT: A friend of mine is a great manufacturer, he calls me up a few weeks ago, he’s very upset. I said, “What’s your problem?” And he said, “I make great product,” and I said, “I know. I know that because I buy the product.” He said, “I can’t get it into China. They won’t accept it. I sent a boat over, and they actually sent it back. They talked about environmental. They talked about all sorts of crap that had nothing to do with it.” I said, “Oh, wait a minute, that’s terrible. Does anyone know this?” He said, “Yeah, they do it all the time with other people.” I said, “They send it back.” “Yeah. So I finally got it over there, and they charged me a big tariff.” They’re not supposed to be doing that, I told him.

20:06 DT: Now, they do charge a tariff on trucks when we send trucks and other things over there. Ask Boeing, they wanted Boeing secrets. They wanted their patents and all their secrets before they agreed to buy planes from Boeing. Hey, I’m not saying they’re stupid. I like China. I sell apartment for 10… I just sold an apartment for $15 million to somebody from China. Am I supposed to dislike them?


20:32 DT: I own a big chunk of the Bank of America building at 1290 Avenue of the Americas that I got from China in a war. Very valuable. I love China. The biggest bank in the world is from China. You know where their United States headquarters is located? In this building, in Trump Tower. I love China. People say, “You don’t like China.” No, I love them. But their leaders are much smarter than our leaders and we can’t sustain ourself with that. There’s too much. It’s like… It’s like take the New England Patriots and Tom Brady, and have them play your high school football team. That’s the difference between China’s leaders and our leaders. They are ripping us. We are rebuilding China. We’re rebuilding many countries. China, you go there now, roads, bridges, schools, you never saw anything like it. They have bridges that make the George Washington Bridge look like small potatoes, and they’re all over the place. We have all the cards, but we don’t know how to use them.

21:43 DT: We don’t even know that we have the cards because our leaders don’t understand the game. We could turn off that spigot by charging them tax until they behave properly. Now, they’re going militarily. They’re building a military island in the middle of the South China Sea, a military island. Now, our country could never do that because we’d have to get environmental clearance, and the environmentalists wouldn’t let our… We would never build in an ocean. They built it in about one year, this massive military port. They’re building up their military, to a point that is very scary. You have a problem with ISIS. You have a bigger problem with China. And in my opinion, the new China, believe it or not, in terms of trade, is Mexico. So this man tells me about the manufacturing. I say, “That’s a terrible story. I hate to hear it.”

22:40 DT: But I have another one, Ford. So Mexico takes a company, a car company that was going to build in Tennessee, rips it out. Everybody thought the deal was dead, reported in the Wall Street Journal recently. Everybody thought it was a done deal. It’s going in, and that’s gonna be going into Tennessee. Great state, great people. All of a sudden, at the last moment, this big car manufacturer, foreign, announces they’re not going to Tennessee. They’re gonna spend their billion dollars in Mexico instead. Not good. Now, Ford announces a few weeks ago, that Ford is going to build a $2.5 billion car and truck and parts manufacturing plant in Mexico. $2.5 billion, it’s gonna be one of the largest in the world. Ford, good company. So I announced that I’m running for President.


23:46 DT: I would… One of the early things, I would do, probably before I even got in. And I wouldn’t even use… I have… I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the over-rated once. You got a lot that are overrated. They’re not good. They think they are. They get good stories, ’cause the newspapers get buffaloed, but they’re not good. But I know the best negotiators in the world, and I’d put them one for each country. Believe me, folks, we will do very, very well… Very, very well.


24:18 DT: But I wouldn’t even waste my time with this one. I would call up the head of Ford, who I know, if I was president, I’d say,”Congratulations. I understand that you’re building a nice $2.5 billion car factory in Mexico, and that you’re gonna take your cars and sell them to the United States zero tax, just flow them across the border.” And you say to yourself, “How does that help us? How does that help us? Where is that good?” It’s not. So I’d say, “Congratulations. That’s the good news. Let me give you the bad news. Every car, and every2 truck, and every part manufactured in this plant that comes across the border, we’re gonna charge you a 35% tax.

25:08 S?: Yes. Yes.


25:10 DT: “And that tax is going to be paid simultaneously with the transaction, and that’s set.” Now, here’s what’s gonna happen. If it’s not me in the position, it’s one of these politicians that we’re running against, the 400 people that were all running. And here’s what’s gonna happen. They’re not so stupid. They know it’s not a good thing, and they may even be upset by it, but then they’re gonna get a call from their donors who are probably from the lobbyists for Ford, and say, “You can’t do that to Ford because Ford takes care of me, and I take care of you, and you can’t do that to Ford.” And guess what, no problem. They’re going to build in Mexico. They’re gonna take away thousands of jobs. It’s very bad for us. So, under President Trump, here’s what would happen.


26:06 DT: The head of Ford will call me back, I would say within an hour after I told them the bad news, but it could be he’d want to be cool and he’ll wait till the next day. They wanna be a little cool, and he’ll say, “Please, please, please.” He’ll beg for a little while. And I’ll say, “No interest.” Then he’ll call all sorts of political people. And I’ll say, “Sorry, fellows, no interest” because I don’t need anybody’s money, it’s nice. I don’t need anybody’s money. I’m using my own money. I’m not using the lobbyists. I’m not using donors, I don’t care. I’m really rich. I’ll show you that next time. And, by the way, I’m not even saying that and to brag it out… That’s the kind of mindset, that’s the kind of thinking you need for this country. So, ’cause we gotta make the country rich. It sounds crass. Somebody said, “Oh, that’s crass.” It’s not crass. We got $18 trillion in debt. We got nothing but problems. We got a military that needs equipment all over the place. We got nuclear weapons that are obsolete. We’ve got nothing. We got social security that’s gonna be destroyed if somebody like me doesn’t bring money into the country.

27:16 DT: All these other people wanna cut the hell out of it, I’m not gonna cut it at all. I’m gonna bring money in, and we’re gonna save it. But here’s what’s gonna happen. After I’m called by 30 friends of mine, who contributed to different campaigns, after I’m called by all of the special interests and by the donors and by the lobbyists, and they have zero chance at convincing me, zero, I’ll get a call the next day from the head of Ford. He’ll say, “Please reconsider.” I’ll say, “No.” He’ll say, “Mr. President. We’ve decided to move the plant back to the United States. We’re not gonna build it in Mexico.” That’s it. They have no choice. They have no choice. There are hundreds of things like that.

28:03 DT: I’ll give you another example. Saudi Arabia, they make a billion dollars a day. A billion dollars a day. I love the Saudis. Many are in this building. They make a billion dollars a day. Whenever they have problems, we send over the ships. We send… We’re gonna protect… What are we doing? They got nothing but money. If the right person asks them, they pay a fortune. They wouldn’t be there except for us. And, believe me, you look at the border with Yemen. You remember Obama a year ago. Yemen was a great victory. Two weeks later, the place was blown up. Everybody got… And they kept our equipment. They always keep our equipment. We ought to send used equipment, right? They always keep our equipment. We ought to send some real junk, ’cause frankly, it would be… We ought to send our surplus. We’re always losing this gorgeous brand new stuff.

29:02 DT: But look at that border with Saudi Arabia. Do you really think that these people are interested in Yemen? Saudi Arabia without us is gone. They’re gone. And I’m the one that made all of the right predictions about Iraq. All of these politicians that I’m running against now, it’s so nice to say, “I’m running,” as opposed to, “If I run, if I run.” I’m running. But all of these politicians that I’m running against now, they’re trying to disassociate… You looked at Bush. It took him five days to answer the question on Iraq. He couldn’t answer the question. He didn’t know. I said, “Is he intelligent?”

29:43 DT: Then I looked at Rubio. He was unable to answer the question. Is Iraq a good thing or a bad thing? He didn’t know. He couldn’t answer the question. How are these people gonna lead us? How are we gonna go back and make it great again? We can’t. They don’t have a clue. They can’t lead us. They can’t. They can’t even answer simple questions. It was terrible. But Saudi Arabia is in big, big trouble. Now, thanks to fracking and other things, the oil is all over the place, and I used to say it. There are ships at sea, and this was during the worst crisis, that were loaded up with oil, and the cartel kept the price up because, again, they were smarter than our leaders. They were smarter than our leaders. There is so much wealth out there that can make our country so rich again and therefore make it great again, ’cause we need money. We’re dying. We’re dying. We need money. We have to do it. We need the right people.

30:48 DT: So Ford will come back. They’ll all come back. And I will say this. This is going to be an election, in my opinion, that’s based on competence.

31:02 S?: Yeah.

31:03 DT: Somebody said… Thank you, darling. Somebody said to me the other day, a reporter, a very nice reporter, “But Mr. Trump, you’re not a nice person.”

31:14 S?: We don’t need nice.

31:15 DT: That’s true, but actually, I am. I think I am a nice person. People that know me like me. Does my family liked me? I think so, right? Look at my family, I’m proud of my family. By the way, speaking of my family, Melania, Barron, Kai, Donnie, Don, Vanessa, Tiffany, Ivanka did a great job. Did she do a great job? Great. Jared, Laura, and Eric. I’m very proud of my family. They’re a great family. So the reporter said to me the other day, “But Mr. Trump, you’re not a nice person. How can you get people to vote for you?” I said, “I don’t know.” I said, “I think that, number one, I am a nice person, I give a lot of money away to charities and other things. I think I’m actually a very nice person.” But I said, “This is going to be an election that’s based on competence, because people are tired of these nice people, and they’re tired of being ripped off by everybody in the world, and they’re tired of spending more money on education than any nation in the world, per capita, than any nation in the world, and we’re 26th in the world. 25 countries are better than us at education, and some of them are like third world countries.”

32:44 DT: But we’re becoming a third world country because of our infrastructure, our airports, our roads, everything. So, one of the things I did, and I said, “You know what I’ll do, I’ll do it,” because a lot of people say, “He’ll never run. Number one, he won’t wanna give up his lifestyle.” They’re right about that, but I’m doing it. Number two, I’m a private company, so nobody knows what I’m worth. And the one thing is that when you run, you have to announce and certify to all sorts of governmental authorities your net worth. So I said, “That’s okay. I’m proud of my net worth. I’ve done an amazing job. I started off… I started off in a small office with my father in Brooklyn and Queens.

33:31 DT: And my father said… And I love my father. I learned so much. He was a great negotiator. I learned so much just sitting at his feet playing with blocks, listening to him negotiate with subcontractors, but I learned a lot. But he used to say, “Donald, don’t go into Manhattan. That’s the big leagues. We don’t know anything about that. Don’t do it. I said, “Dad, I gotta go into Manhattan. I gotta build those big buildings. I gotta do it, Dad. I’ve gotta do it.” And after four or five years in Brooklyn, I ventured into Manhattan and did a lot of great deals. The Grand Hyatt hotel, I was responsible for the Convention Center on the West Side. I did a lot of great deals, and I did them early and young.

34:11 DT: And now I’m building all over the world, and I love what I’m doing. But they all said, a lot of the pundits on television. “Well, Donald will never run, and one of the main reasons is, he’s private and he’s probably not as successful as everybody thinks.” So I said to myself, “Nobody’s ever gonna know unless I run,” ’cause I’m really proud of my success. I really am. I’ve employed… I’ve employed tens of thousands of people over my lifetime. That means medical, that means education, that means everything. So a large accounting firm and my accountants have been working for months because it’s big and complex, and they put together a statement, a financial statement. It’s a summary, but everything will be filed eventually with the government, and we don’t need extensions or anything. We’ll be filing it right on time. We don’t need anything. And it was even reported incorrectly yesterday because they said, “He had assets of nine billion.” So I said, “No, it’s the wrong number. That’s the wrong number, not assets.”

35:34 DT: So they put together this, and before I say it, I have to say this. I made it the old-fashioned way. It’s real estate. It’s real estate. It’s labor and it’s unions good, and some bad, and lots of people that aren’t in unions, and it’s all over the place, and building all over the world, and I have assets, big accounting firm, one of the most highly respected. $9,240,000,000 and I have liabilities of about $500. That’s long-term debt, very low interest rates. In fact, one of the big banks came to me said, “Donald, you don’t have enough borrowings. Could we loan you $4 billion?” I said, “I don’t need it. I don’t want it, and I’ve been there. I don’t want it.” But in two seconds they’d give me whatever I wanted. So I have a total net worth, and now with the increase, it’ll be well over $10 billion, but here, a total net worth of $8 billion… Net worth, not assets, not liability, a net worth, after all debt, after all expenses, the greatest assets, the Trump Tower, 1290 Avenue of the Americas, Bank of America building in San Francisco, 40 Wall Street, sometimes referred to as the Trump building, right opposite the New York, many other places, all over the world. So, the total is $8,737,540,000.

37:17 DT: Now, I’m not doing that… I’m not doing that to brag, ’cause you know what, I don’t have to brag. I don’t have to, believe it or not. I’m doing that to say that that’s the kind of thinking our country needs. We need that thinking. We have the opposite thinking. We have losers. We have losers. We have people that don’t have it. We have people that are morally corrupt. We have people that are selling this country down the drain. So I put together the statement, and the only reason I’m telling you about it today is because we really do have to get going, because if we have another three or four years, we’re at $18 trillion now. We’re soon gonna be at $20 trillion. According to the economists, who I’m not big believers in, but nevertheless, this is what they’re saying, that $24 trillion… We’re very close. That’s the point of no return, $24 trillion. We will be there soon. That’s when we become Greece. That’s when we become a country that’s unsalvageable. And we’re gonna be there very soon. We’re gonna be there very soon.

38:36 S?: Make America strong.

38:39 DT: So, just to sum up. I would do various things very quickly. I would repeal and replace the big lie Obamacare. I would build a great wall and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. And I’ll build ’em very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words. Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump. Nobody.


39:19 DT: I will find within our military, I will find the General Patton or I will find General MacArthur, I will find the right guy. I will find the guy that’s going to take that military and make it really work. Nobody, nobody will be pushing us around. I will stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and we won’t be using a man like Secretary Kerry, that has absolutely no concept of negotiation, who’s making a horrible and laughable deal, who’s just being tapped along as they make weapons right now. And then goes into a bicycle race at 72 years old and falls and breaks his leg. I won’t be doing that. And I promise I will never be in a bicycle race, that I can tell you. I will immediately terminate President Obama’s illegal executive order on immigration. Immediately. Fully support and back up the Second Amendment.


40:33 DT: Now, it’s very interesting. Today I heard it. Through stupidity in a very, very hard-core prison, interestingly named Clinton, two vicious murderers, two vicious people escaped and nobody knows where they are. And a woman was on television this morning. And she said, “You know, Mr. Trump,” and she was telling other people and I actually called her, but she said, “You know, Mr. Trump, I always was against guns, I didn’t want guns. And now, since this happened,” it’s up in the prison area, “My husband and I are finally in agreement, ’cause he wanted the guns. We now have a gun on every table, we’re ready to start shooting.” I said, “Very interesting.” So protect the Second Amendment.

41:29 DT: End Common Core, Common Core should… It is a disaster. Bush is totally in favor of Common Core. I don’t see how he can possibly get the nomination. He’s weak on immigration, he’s in favor of Common Core. How the hell can you vote for this guy? You just can’t do it. We have to end. Education has to be local. Rebuild the country’s infrastructure. Nobody can do that like me, believe me. It will be done on time, on budget, way below cost, way below what anyone ever thought. I look at these roads being built all over the country, and I say I can build those things for one-third. What they do is unbelievable. How bad.

42:20 DT: You know, we’re building on Pennsylvania Avenue, the old post office, we’re converting it into one of the world’s great hotels. It’s gonna be the best hotel in Washington DC. We got it from the General Services Administration in Washington. The Obama administration, we got it, it was the most highly sought-after or one of them, but I think the most highly sought-after project in the history of General Services. We got it, people were shocked. Trump got it. Well, I got it for two reasons: Number one, we’re really good. Number two, we had a really good plan. And I’ll add in a third, we had a great financial statement. ‘Cause the General Services, who are terrific people by the way, and talented people, they wanted to do a great job and they wanted to make sure it got built.

43:08 DT: So we have to rebuild our infrastructure, our bridges, our roadways, our airports. You come into LaGuardia Airport, it’s like we’re in a third world country. You look at the patches and the 40-year-old floor, they throw down asphalt and they throw… You look at these airports. We are like a third world country, and I come in from China and I come in from Qatar and I come in from different places. And they have the most incredible airports in the world. You come back to this country and you have LAX, disaster, you have all of these disastrous airports. We have to rebuild our infrastructure.

43:49 DT: Save Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security without cuts. Have to do it, get rid of the fraud, get rid of the waste and abuse, but save it. People have been paying in for years, and now many of these candidates wanna cut it. You save it by making the United States, by making us rich again, by taking back all of the money that’s being lost. Re-negotiate our foreign trade deals. Reduce our $18 trillion in debt. Because believe me, we’re in a bubble. We have artificially low interest rates, we have a stock market that frankly, it’s been good to me, but I still hate to see what’s happening. We have a stock market that is so bloated. Be careful of a bubble, ’cause what you’ve seen in the past might be small potatoes compared to what happens. So be very, very careful. And strengthen our military and take care of our vets. So, so important.


45:03 DT: Sadly, the American dream is dead.

45:10 S?: Bring it back.

45:14 DT: But if I get elected President, I will bring it back. Bigger and better and stronger than ever before and we will make America great, again. Thank you, thank you very much.


Democratic Presidential Debate – June 27 #Transcripts2020

As part of our #Transcripts2020 project, we are pleased to release the transcript of night 2 of the Democratic Presidential Debate held on June 27th. An editable version is available here. All transcripts of this series are available here.

0:00:01 Lester Holt: Good evening, I’m Lester Holt, and welcome to night two of the first Democratic debate in the 2020 race for President.

0:00:07 Savannah Guthrie: Good evening, I’m Savannah Guthrie. Last night, we heard from 10 candidates, and now 10 more take the stage.

0:00:12 LH: And again tonight, we’ll be joined in the questioning by our colleagues, Jose Diaz-Balart, Chuck Todd, and Rachel Maddow.

0:00:19 SG: The candidates are in position, so let’s get started.

0:00:22 Speaker 3: Tonight, round two, Colorado senator Michael Bennet, former Vice President Joe Biden, South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg, New York senator Kirsten Gillibrand, California senator Kamala Harris, former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper, Vermont senator Bernie Sanders, California Congressman Eric Swalwell, author Marianne Williamson, and former tech executive Andrew Yang. From NBC News, Decision 2020, the Democratic Candidates Debate, live from the Adrienne Arsht Performing Arts Center in Miami, Florida.


0:01:15 LH: And good evening once again. Welcome to the candidates and our spirited audience here tonight in the Arsht Center and across America. Tonight, we continue the spirited debate about the future of the country, how to tackle our most pressing problems and getting to the heart of the biggest issues in this Democratic primary.

0:01:32 SG: Tonight, we’re gonna talk about healthcare, immigration. We’re also gonna dive into the economy, jobs, climate change as well.

0:01:38 Jose Diaz-Balart: And some quick rules of the road before we begin, and they may sound familiar, 20 candidates qualified for this first debate. As we said, we heard from 10 last night and we’ll hear from 10 more tonight. The breakdown for each night was selected at random. The candidates will have 60 seconds to answer, 30 seconds for any follow-ups.

0:01:56 LH: And because of the large field of candidates, not every person is going to be able to weigh in on every topic, but over the course of the next two hours, we will hear from everyone.

0:02:06 SG: And we love our audience, but we’d like to ask them to keep their reactions to a minimum, and we’re not gonna hold back in making sure the candidates stick to time. So with that business taken care of, let’s get to it. And we’re gonna start today with Senator Sanders. Good evening to you. You’ve called for big new government benefits like universal healthcare and free college. In a recent interview, you said you suspected that Americans would be “delighted to pay more taxes for things like that.” My question to you is, will taxes go up for the middle class in a Sanders administration? And if so, how do you sell that to voters?

0:02:44 Bernie Sanders: Okay. Well, you’re quite right, we have a new vision for America. And at a time when we have three people in this country owning more wealth than the bottom half of America, while 500,000 people are sleeping out on the streets today, we think it is time for change, real change. And by that I mean that healthcare, in my view, is a human right and we have gotta pass a Medicare for All single-payer system. Under that system, by the way, vast majority of the people in this country will be paying significantly less for healthcare than they are right now. I believe that education is the future for this country and that is why I believe that we must make public colleges and universities tuition-free and eliminate student debt, and we do that by placing a tax on Wall Street. Every proposal that I have brought forth is fully paid for.

0:03:49 SG: Senator Sanders, I’ll give you 10 seconds just to ask the… Answer the very direct question, will you raise taxes for the middle class in a Sanders administration?

0:04:00 LH: People who have healthcare under Medicare for All will have no premiums, no deductibles, no co-payments, no out-of-pocket expenses. Yes, they will pay more in taxes but less in healthcare for what they get.

0:04:13 SG: Thank you, Senator.

0:04:14 Michael Bennet: Senator Sanders. I would… I wanna ask just a…

0:04:16 SG: Senator Bennet, we’re gonna get to everybody, I promise. But let me just…

0:04:19 Joe Biden: No, I’d like to say some…

0:04:20 SG: Senator Biden, promise everybody’s gonna get in here, promise. Vice President Biden, Senator Sanders, as you know, has been calling for a revolution. Recently, in remarks to a group of wealthy donors, as you were speaking about the problem of income inequality in this country you said, we shouldn’t “demonize the rich.” You said, “Nobody has to be punished, no one’s standard of living would change, nothing would fundamentally change.” What did you mean by that?

0:04:46 JB: What I meant by that is… Look, Donald Trump thinks Wall Street built America. Ordinary middle-class Americans built America. My dad used to have an expression. He said, “Joe, a job is about a lot more than a paycheck; it’s about your dignity, it’s about respect, it’s being able to look your kid in the eye and say everything’s gonna be okay.” Too many people who are in the middle class and poor have had the bottom fall out under this proposal. What I am saying is that we’ve gotta be straightforward. We have to make sure we understand that to return dignity to the middle class, they have to have insurance that is covered and they can afford it. They have to make sure that we’re here in a situation where there’s continuing education and they’re able to pay for it and they have to make sure that they’re able to breathe air that is clean and they have water that they can drink. Look, Donald Trump has put us in a horrible situation. We do have enormous income inequality. And the one thing I agree on is we can make massive cuts in the $1.6 trillion in tax loopholes out there and I would be going about eliminating Donald Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy.

0:05:50 SG: Vice President Biden, thank you. Senator Harris, there’s a lot of talk in this primary about new government benefits such as student loan cancellation, free college, healthcare and more. Do you think that Democrats have a responsibility to explain how they will pay for every proposal they make along those lines?

0:06:12 Kamala Harris: Well, let me tell you something. I hear that question, but where was that question when the Republicans and Donald Trump passed a tax bill that benefits the top 1% and the biggest corporations in this country, contributing at least a $1 trillion to the debt of America, which middle-class families will pay for, one way or another. Working families need support and need to be lifted up, and frankly this economy is not working for working people. For too long the rules have been written in the favor of the people who have the most and not in favor of the people who work the most. Which is why I am proposing that we change the tax code. For every family that is making less than $100,000 a year, they will receive a tax credit that they can collect up to $500 a month, which will make all the difference between those families being able to get through the end of the month with dignity and with support or not. And on day one, I will repeal that tax bill that benefits the top 1% and the biggest corporations of America.

0:07:12 SG: Senator Harris, thank you. Governor Hickenlooper, let me get to you in on this. You’ve warned that democrats will lose in 2020 if they embrace socialism as you put it. You were booed at the California Democratic convention when you said that. Only one candidate on this stage, Senator Sanders, identifies himself as a democratic socialist. What are the policies or positions of your opponents that you think are veering towards socialism?

0:07:37 John Hickenlooper: Well, I think that the bottom line is, if we don’t clearly define that we are not socialists, the Republicans are gonna come at us every way they can, and call us socialists. And if you look at the Green New Deal, which I admire the sense of urgency and how important it is to deal with climate change, I’m a scientist, but we can’t promise every American a government job if you wanna get universal healthcare coverage. I believe that healthcare is a right and not a privilege. But you can’t expect to eliminate private insurance for 180 million people, many of whom who don’t wanna give it up. In Colorado, we brought businesses and non-profits together. We got near universal healthcare coverage, we were the first state in America to bring the environmental community and the oil and gas industry to address, aggressively address, methane emissions. And we were also the first place to expand reproductive rights on a scale basis, and we reduced teen pregnancy by 54%. We’ve done the big progressive things that people said couldn’t be done. I’ve done what pretty much everyone else up here is still talking about doing.

0:08:40 SG: Governor, thank you. Senator Sanders, I’ll give you a chance to weigh in here.


0:08:44 SG: What is your response to those who say nominating a socialist would re-elect Donald Trump?

0:08:51 BS: Well, I think the responses at the polls, last poll I saw had us 10 points ahead of Donald Trump… Because the American people understand that Trump is a phony, that Trump is a pathological liar and a racist, and that he lied to the American people during his campaign. He said he was gonna stand up for working families. Well, President Trump, you’re not standing up for working families, when you try to throw 32 million people off the healthcare that they have. And that 83% of your tax benefits go to the top 1%. That’s how we beat Trump, we expose him for the fraud that he is.


0:09:35 Kirsten Gillibrand: In answer, I wanna talk about…

0:09:35 SG: Senator, Senator Gillibrand, 30 seconds.

0:09:38 KG: I disagree with both their perspectives. The debate we’re having in our party right now is confusing because the truth is, there’s a big difference between capitalism on the one hand and greed on the other. And so all the things that we’re trying to change is when companies care more about profits when they do about people. So if you’re talking about ending gun violence, it’s the greed of the NRA and the gun manufacturers that make any progress impossible. It’s the greed of the insurance companies and the drug companies when we wanna try to get healthcare as a right and not a privilege.

0:10:13 SG: Senator Gillibrand, thank you.

0:10:15 KG: So there may not be disagreement in the party because in truth, we want healthy capitalism…

0:10:19 SG: Senator, thank you.

0:10:20 KG: We don’t want corrupted capitalism…

0:10:21 SG: Thank you, I wanna be fair to all the candidates. Thank you.

0:10:22 KG: Which is the definition of greed.

0:10:23 SG: Senator Bennet. You have said, “It’s possible to write policy proposals that have no basis in reality, you might as well call them candy.” Were you referring to any candidate or proposal in particular when you said that?

0:10:37 MB: Was that directed to me?

0:10:38 SG: Yes, that was your quote.

0:10:38 MB: Well, thank you. That sounded like me. Thank you.

0:10:40 SG: It was you.

0:10:41 MB: No, I appreciate it. First of all, I agree completely with Bernie about what the fundamental challenge we’re facing as a country is. Forty years of no economic growth for 90% of the American people, 160,000 families in the top 1% have the same wealth as the bottom 90%, and we’ve got the worst income inequality that we’ve had in 100 years. Where I disagree is on his solution on Medicare for all. I have proposed getting to universal healthcare, which we need to do. It is a right. Healthcare is a right. We need to get to universal healthcare. I believe the way to do that is by finishing the work we started with Obamacare and creating a public option that every family and every person in America can make a choice for their family, about whether they want a public option, which for them would be like having Medicare for all, or whether they wanna keep their private insurance. I believe we will get there much more quickly if we do that. Bernie… If I could just finish, Bernie mentioned that the taxes that we would have to pay, because of those taxes, Vermont rejected Medicare for all.

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0:11:49 KG: In Bernie’s bill, In Bernie’s bill, I wrote…

0:11:50 SG: Senator. Senators, please.


0:11:53 SG: We are going to talk about healthcare at length, Senator, but for the moment, my colleague Jose wants to continue the question on the economy.

0:11:58 JD: Thank you very much. We will…

0:11:58 KG: I wrote the part in Senator Sanders’s bill, I wrote the part in Senator Sanders’s bill, that is the transition which merges what the two senators said. Because the truth is, if you have a buy-in over a four or five period, you move us to single-payer more quickly.

0:12:14 JD: Senator, we will get to this. We will get to this.


0:12:16 BS: I understand…

0:12:17 JD: Before we do, I wanna say hello and good evening, Buena noches to Mayor Buttigieg.

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0:12:25 JD: Many of your colleagues on stage support free college. You do not. Why not?

0:12:32 Pete Buttigieg: Sure. College affordability is personal for us. Chasten and I have six figure student debt, I believe in reducing student debt. It’s logical to me that if you can refinance your house, you ought to be able to refinance your student debt. I also believe in free college for low and middle income students for whom cost could be a barrier.


0:12:54 PB: I just don’t believe it makes sense to ask working class families to subsidize even the children of billionaires. I think the children of the wealthiest Americans can pay at least a little bit of tuition. And while I want tuition costs to go down, I don’t think we can buy down every last penny for them. Now, there’s something else that doesn’t get talked about in the college affordability debate. Yes, it needs to be more affordable in this country to go to college. It also needs to be more affordable in this country to not go to college. You should be able to live well, afford rent, be generous to your church and little league, whether you went to college or not. That’s one of many reasons we need to raise the minimum wage to at least $15 an hour.

0:13:33 Eric Swalwell: Jose, I’ve got $100,000 in student loan debt myself.

0:13:36 JD: Let me get to you in a… If I…

0:13:37 ES: And I’ll tell you, you can’t count on the people who’ve been in government for the last 30 years who were around when this problem was created to be the ones to solve it. It’s gonna be the next generation, the 40 million of us who can’t start a family, can’t take a good idea and start a business, and can’t buy our first home. This is the generation that’s gonna be able to solve student loan debt. This generation is ready to lead.

0:13:57 JD: Mr. Yang, your signature policy is to give every adult in the United States $1,000 a month, no questions asked.

0:14:06 Andrew Yang: That’s right.

0:14:08 JD: I think that’s $3.2 trillion a year. How would you do that?

0:14:15 AY: Sorry?

0:14:16 JD: How would you do that?

0:14:16 AY: Oh, so, it’s difficult to do if you have companies like Amazon, trillion dollar tech companies, paying literally zero in taxes while they’re closing 30% of our stores. Now, we need to put the American people in position to benefit from all of these innovations in other parts of the economy. And if we had a value-added tax at even half the European level, it would generate over $800 billion in new revenue, which combined with the money in our hands, it would be the trickle-up economy from our people, families, and communities up. We would spend the money and it would circulate through our regional economies and neighborhoods, creating millions of jobs, making our families stronger and healthier. We’d save money on things like incarceration, homelessness services, emergency room healthcare. And just the value gains from having a stronger, healthier, mentally healthier population would increase GDP by $700 billion. This is the move that we have to make, particularly as technology is now automating away millions of American jobs, it’s why Donald Trump is our President today, that we automated away 400 million manufacturing jobs in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And we’re about to do the same thing to millions of retail jobs, call center jobs, fast food jobs, truck driving jobs and on and on through the economy.

0:15:20 JD: So, Mr. Yang, if I get to understand a little bit better. So you’re saying $1,000 a month for everyone over 18 but a value-added tax so you can spend that $1,000 on value-added tax?

0:15:35 AY: Well, the value-added tax would end up… You would still be increasing the buying power of the bottom 94% of Americans. You have to spend a lot of money for a mild value-added tax to eat up $12,000 a year per individual. So for the average family with two or three adults, it would $24,000 to $36,000 a year.

0:15:53 JD: Okay. Congressman Swalwell, I wanna talk a little bit about what Mr. Yang is talking about, and you just actually mentioned it. Many Americans are worried that things like self-driving cars, robots, drones, artificial intelligence will cost them their jobs. What would you do to help people get the skills they need to adapt to this new world?

0:16:10 ES: We must always be a country where technology creates more jobs than it displaces. And I’ve seen the anxiety across America, where the manufacturing floors go from 1,000 to 100 to one. So we have to modernize our schools, value the teachers who prepare our kids, wipe the student debt from any teacher that goes into a community that needs it. Invest in America’s communities, especially where places… Where the best exports are people who move away to get skills. But, Jose, I was six years old when a Presidential candidate came to the California Democratic Convention and said, it’s time to pass the torch to a new generation of Americans. That candidate was then Senator Joe Biden. Joe Biden was right when he said it was time the pass the torch to a new generation of Americans 32 years ago. He’s still right today. If we’re gonna solve the issues of automation, pass the torch. If we’re gonna solve the issues of climate chaos, pass the torch. If we’re gonna solve the issue of student loan debt, pass the torch. If we’re gonna end gun violence for families who are fearful of sending their kids to school, pass the torch.

0:17:13 JD: Vice President, would you like to sing a torch song?

0:17:17 JB: I would.


0:17:18 JB: I’m still holding on to that torch. I wanna make it clear to you, look, the fact of the matter is… What we have to do is make sure that everybody is prepared better to go on to educate… For an education. The fact is that that’s why I propose us focusing on schools that are in distress. That’s why I think we should triple the amount of money we spend for Title I schools. That’s why I think we should have universal Pre-K. That’s why I think every single person who graduates from high school, 65 out of 100 now need something beyond high school, and we should provide for them to be able to get that education. That’s why there should be free community college, cutting in half the cost of college. That’s why we should be in a position where we do not have anyone have to pay back a student debt when they get out… They’re making less than $25,000 a year. Their debt is frozen, no interest payment until they get beyond that. We can’t put people in a position where they aren’t able to go on and move on. And so, folks, there’s a lot we can do, but we have to make continuing education available for everyone so that everyone can compete in the 21st century. We’re not doing that now.

0:18:22 JD: Senator, Senators.

0:18:24 PB: As the youngest guy on the stage, I feel like I probably oughta contribute to the generation.

0:18:29 KG: Before we move on…

0:18:29 BS: As part of Joe’s generation…

0:18:30 PB: I’m all for generational change.

0:18:31 KG: Before we move on…

0:18:31 BS: As part of Joe’s generation, let me respond.

0:18:33 KG: Before we move on from…

0:18:34 BS: The issue, if I may say, is not generational.

0:18:35 KG: Before we move on from education…

0:18:36 JD: Let’s… Please, please, Senator Sanders, and I’ll let… We will.

0:18:38 BS: The issue is not generational.

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0:18:41 Marianne Williamson: We forgive you for your young and immature comment though.

0:18:43 BS: The issue is who has the guts to take on Wall Street, to take on the fossil fuel industry, to take on the big money interests who have unbelievable influence over the economic and political life of this country.

0:18:56 JD: These issues…

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0:18:57 ES: These issues still persist.

0:18:57 JD: Senator Harris. Senator Harris. I’m so sorry.

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0:18:58 KG: Marianne, you have a turn. You should have a turn with all the men speaking over you. Marianne, you have a turn. All the men are speaking over her.

0:19:01 SG: We will let you all speak. Senator Harris. Senator Harris. We will let you all speak. Senator Harris.

0:19:05 ES: We can’t afford to wait for evolution on these issues.

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0:19:10 KH: Hey, guys, you know what? America does not wanna witness a food fight. They wanna know how we’re gonna put food on their table.


0:19:25 KH: So on that point, part of the issue that is at play in America today, and we’ve all been traveling around the country; I certainly have, I’m meeting people who are working two and three jobs. This President walks around talking about and flouting his great economy, right? My great economy, my great economy. You ask him, “Well how are you measuring this greatness of this economy of yours?” And he talks about the stock market. Well, that’s fine if you own stocks. So many families in America do not. You ask him, “How are you measuring the greatness of this economy of yours?” And they point to the jobless numbers and the unemployment numbers. Well, yeah, people in America are working; they’re working two and three jobs. So, when we talk about jobs, let’s be really clear, in our America no one should have to work more than one job to have a roof over their head and food on the table.


0:20:12 JD: Thank you very much Senator. Thank you.

0:20:15 LH: You’ve all expressed an interest in talking about healthcare.

0:20:19 MW: I’d like to say something if I might.

0:20:19 LH: So, let’s talk about healthcare, and this is going gonna be a show of hands question. We asked a question about healthcare last night that spurred a lot of discussion, as you know. We’re gonna do it again now. Many people watching at home have health insurance at their employer. Who here would abolish their private health insurance in favor of a government run plan?

0:20:38 S?: Yeah.


0:20:40 LH: Alright. Kirsten Gillibrand. Senator Gillibrand.

0:20:44 KG: Yeah, so now it’s my turn.

0:20:45 MB: Go ahead.

0:20:46 KG: So, this is a very important issue. So, the plan that Senator Sanders and I and others support, Medicare for All, is how you get to single payer. But it has a buy-in transition period, which is really important. In 2005, when I ran for Congress in a two to one Republican district, I actually ran on Medicare for All and I won that two to one Republican district twice. And the way I formulated it was simple. Anyone who doesn’t have access to insurance they like, they could buy in at a percentage of income they could afford. So, that’s what we’ve put into the transition period for our Medicare for All plan. I believe we need to get to universal healthcare as a right and not a privilege, to single payer. The quickest way you get there is you create competition with the insurers.

0:21:29 KG: God bless the insurers if they wanna compete. They can certainly try, but they’ve never put people over their profits and I doubt they ever will. So what will happen is people will choose Medicare, you will transition, we will get to Medicare for All, and then your step to single payer is so short. I would make it an earned benefit, just like social security, so that you buy in your whole life, it is always there for you. And it’s permanent and it’s universal.

0:21:54 LH: Senator, your time is up. I wanna put that same question to Mayor Buttigieg.

0:21:58 PB: Yeah, we’ve talk… Look, everybody who says Medicare for All, every person in politics who allows that phrase to escape their lips has a responsibility to explain how you’re actually supposed to get from here to there.


0:22:13 PB: Now, here’s how I would do it. It’s very similar, I would call it Medicare for All Who Want It. You’d take something like Medicare, a flavor of that, and you make it available on the exchanges. People can buy in. And then, if people like us are right, that that will be not only a more inclusive plan, but a more efficient plan than any of the corporate answers out there, then it will be a very natural glide path to the single payer environment. But let’s remember, even in countries that have outright socialized medicine, like England, even there there’s still a private sector; that’s fine. It’s just that for our primary care, we can’t be relying on the tender mercies of the corporate system. This one is very personal for me. I started out this year dealing with the terminal illness of my father. I make decisions for a living, and nothing could have prepared me for the kind of decisions our family faced. But the thing we had going for us, was that we never had to make those decisions based on whether it was gonna bankrupt our family, because of Medicare.

0:23:04 LH: Alright Mayor.

0:23:04 PB: And I want every family to have that same freedom to do what is medically right, not live in financial fear.


0:23:09 LH: Thank you. Your time is complete. Vice President Biden, I want to put the question to you. You were one of the architects of Obamacare. So, where do we go from here?

0:23:16 JB: Look, this is very personal to me. When my wife and daughter were killed in an automobile accident, my two boys were really very badly injured, I couldn’t imagine what it’d be like had I not had adequate healthcare available immediately. And then, when my son came home from Iraq after a year, he was diagnosed with terminal cancer and he was given months to live. I can’t fathom what would have happened if in fact they said, “By the way, the last six months of your life you’re on your own. We’re cutting off. You’ve used up your time.” The fact of the matter is that the quickest, fastest way to do it is build on Obamacare, to build on what we did. And secondly, secondly, to make sure that everyone does have an option. Everyone, whether they have private insurance or employer insurance or no insurance, they in fact could buy in in the exchange to a Medicare-like plan. And the way to do that, we can do it quickly. Look, urgency matters. There’s people right now facing what I faced and what we faced without any of the help I had. We must move now. I’m against any Democrat who opposes…

0:24:21 LH: Alright, Vice President Biden, your time is…

0:24:23 JB: That takes down Obamacare and any Republican who wants to get rid of Obamacare.

0:24:28 LH: Let me turn to Senator Sanders. Senator Sanders, you basically wanna scrap the private health insurance system as we know it and replace it with a government-run plan. None of the states that have tried something like that, California, Vermont, New York has struggled with it, have been successful. If politicians can’t make it work in those states, how would you implement it on a national level? How does this work?

0:24:48 BS: I find it hard to believe that every other major country on Earth, including my neighbor 50 miles north of me, Canada, somehow has figured out a way to provide healthcare to every man, woman and child, and in most cases, they’re spending 50% per capita what we are spending. Let’s be clear, let us be very clear. The function of healthcare today, from the insurance and drug company perspective, is not to provide quality care to all in a cost effective way. The function of the healthcare system today is to make billions in profits for the insurance companies. And last year, if you could believe it, while we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, and I will lower prescription drug prices in half in this country, top 10 companies made $69 billion in profit. They will spend hundreds of million of dollars lying to the American people, telling us why we cannot have a Medicare for All single payer program.

0:25:52 LH: Senator Sanders, I just have to follow up there. How do you implement it on a national level?


0:26:00 BS: I’m sorry?

0:26:00 LH: How do you implement it on a national level…

0:26:01 BS: I’ll tell you.

0:26:02 LH: Given the fact it’s not succeeded in other states that have tried it?

0:26:04 BS: I will tell you how we’ll do it. We’ll do it the way real change has always taken place, whether it was the Labor Movement, the Civil Rights Movement, or the Women’s Movement. We will have Medicare for All when tens of millions of people are prepared to stand up and tell the insurance companies and the drug companies that their day is gone, that healthcare is a human right, not something to make huge profits off of.


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0:26:30 LH: Thank you. Alright. Ms. Williamson, Ms. Williamson, this is a question for you. We have been talk… Excuse me, excuse me. I’m addressing the question to Ms. Williamson. We’ve been talking a lot about access to health insurance, but for many Americans their most pressing concern is the high cost of health care. How would you lower the cost of prescription drugs?

0:26:48 MW: Well first of all, the government should never have made the deal with the Big Pharma that they couldn’t negotiate. That was just part of the regular corruption by which multi-national corporations have their way with us. You know, I want to say that while I agree with… I’m with Senator Bennet and others, but I agree with almost everything here. I’ll tell you one thing, it’s really nice that we’ve got all these plans, but if you think we’re gonna beat Donald Trump by just having all these plans, you’ve got another thing coming. Because he didn’t win by saying he had a plan; he won by simply saying, “Make America Great Again.” We’ve gotta get deeper than just these superficial fixes, as important as they are. Even if we’re just talking about the superficial fixes, ladies and gentlemen, we don’t have a healthcare system in the United States, we have a sickness care system in the United States. We just wait till somebody gets sick, and then we talk about who’s gonna pay for the treatment and how they’re gonna be treated. What we need to talk about is why so many Americans have unnecessary chronic illnesses, so many more compared to other countries. And that gets back into not just the Big Pharma, not just health insurance companies, it has to do with chemical policies, it has to to with environmental policies…

0:27:53 LH: All right. Ms. Williamson, your time has expired.


0:27:54 MW: It has to do with food policies, it has to do with drug policies…

0:27:58 LH: Thank you. Thank you.

0:27:58 MW: Even has to do with environmental policies.

0:28:00 LH: Senator Bennet, a question for you. You want to keep the system that we have in place with Obamacare and build on it; you mentioned that a moment ago. Is that enough to get us to universal coverage?

0:28:08 MB: I believe that will get us the quickest way there, and I thought the Vice President was very moving about this, and Mayor Pete as well. I had prostate cancer recently, as you may know, and it’s why I was a little late getting in the race. The same week, my kid had her appendectomy out, and I feel very strongly that families ought to be able to have this choice. I think that’s what the American people want. I believe it will get us there quickly. There are millions of people in America that do not have health insurance today because they can’t… They’re too wealthy-wealthy. They make too much money to be on Medicaid; they can’t afford health insurance. When Senator Sanders says that Canada is single-payer, there are 35 million people in Canada. There are 330 million people in the United States. Easily the number of people on a public option, it could easily be 35 million, and for them it would be Medicare for All, as Mayor Buttigieg says, but for others that want to keep it they should be able to keep it. And I think that will be the fastest way to get where we need to go.

0:29:09 KH: I’d like to add a point.

0:29:11 MB: Also I will say, Bernie is a very honest person. He has said over and over again, unlike others that have supported this legislation, over and over again that this will ban, make illegal, all insurance except cosmetic. Except insurance for… I guess that’s for plastic surgery. Everything else is banned under the Medicare for All proposal that he has put forward.

0:29:31 LH: I let you go a little longer there…

0:29:33 KH: I’d like to add a point here.

0:29:33 LH: But obviously Senator Sanders, you get a response.

0:29:35 KH: I’d like to add a point here.

0:29:36 LH: Senator Sanders needs to respond to that.

0:29:37 BS: Just real briefly. You know Mike, Medicare is the most popular health insurance program in the country. People don’t like their private insurance companies, they like their doctors and hospitals. Under our plan, people go to any doctor they want, any hospital they want. We will substantially lower the cost of healthcare in this country because we’ll stop the greed of the insurance companies.

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0:30:03 ES: The biggest part of this debate that we’re missing, we need to find cures, in our lifetime, cures for all. And today…

0:30:03 SG: One at a time. One at a time, Senator Harris.

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0:30:04 KH: On this issue, we have to think about how this affects real people. And the reality of how this affects real people is captured in a story that many of us heard, and I will paraphrase. There is any night in America, a parent who’s seeing that their child has a temperature that is out of control, calls 911, “What should I do?” And they say, “Take the child to the Emergency Room.” And so they get in their car and they drive, and they’re sitting in the parking lot outside of the Emergency Room, looking at those sliding glass doors while they have the hand on the forehead of their child, knowing that if they walk through those sliding glass doors, even though they have insurance they will be out a $5,000 deductible, $5,000 deductible when they walk through those doors.

0:30:51 LH: Alright, Senator Harris, thank you.

0:30:53 KH: That’s what Insurance companies are doing in America today.

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0:30:57 SG: We’re gonna continue this discussion. I wanted to put it in…

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0:31:01 SG: Candidates please. Candidates please.

0:31:02 ES: I’m one of those parents. I was just in the Emergency Room with my eight month old. I’m one of those parents, I was just in the emergency room and I’m telling you…

0:31:06 SG: Congressman, thank you.

0:31:07 ES: We fight health insurance companies every single week.

0:31:10 SG: Thank you.

0:31:11 ES: We stand in line and pay expensive prescription drugs. We have to have a healthcare guarantee; if you’re sick, you’re seen, and in America you never go broke because of it.

0:31:19 SG: Okay.

0:31:20 MW: With all due respect…

0:31:20 SG: A lot of you have been talking tonight about these government healthcare plans that you’ve proposed in one form or another. This is a show-of-hands question, and hold them up for a moment so people can see. Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants?


0:31:40 SG: Okay. Let me start with you, Mayor Buttigieg; why? Mayor Buttigieg, why?

0:31:47 PB: Because our country is healthier when everybody is healthier. And remember, we’re talking about something people are given a chance to buy in to. In the same way that there are undocumented immigrants in my community who pay. They pay sales taxes, they pay property taxes directly or indirectly. This is not about a hand out, this is an insurance program, and we do ourselves no favors by having 11 million undocumented people in our country be unable to access healthcare. But of course the real problem is we shouldn’t have 11 million undocumented people with no pathway to citizenship. It makes no sense. And the American people…


0:32:27 PB: The American people agree on what to do. This is the crazy thing, if leadership consists of forming a consensus around a divisive issue. This White House has divided us around a consensus issue. The American people want a pathway to citizenship, they want a protections for dreamers. We need to clean up the lawful immigration system, like how my father immigrated to this country. And as part of a compromise we can do whatever common sense measures are needed at the border.

0:32:50 SG: Mayor.

0:32:50 PB: But Washington can’t deliver on something the American people want. What does that tell you about the system we’re living in? It tells you it needs profound structural reform.

0:33:00 SG: Mayor, thank you. Vice President Biden, I believe you said that your healthcare plan would not cover undocumented immigrants. Could you explain your position?

0:33:06 JB: I’m sorry, beg your pardon, I didn’t hear.

0:33:08 SG: I believe at the show of hands, you did not raise your hand. Did you raise your hand?

0:33:12 JB: No, I did.

0:33:13 SG: Okay, sorry, sorry. So you said that they would be covered under your plan, which is different than Obamacare…

0:33:19 JB: Yes, but here’s the thing.

0:33:20 SG: Can you explain that change?

0:33:22 JB: Yes, you cannot let… As the Mayor said, you cannot let people who are sick, no matter where they come from, no matter what their status, go uncovered. You can’t do that, it’s just gonna be taken care of, period. You have to, it’s a humane thing to do. But here’s the deal. The deal is that he’s right about three things. Number one, they in fact contribute to the wellbeing of the country. But they also for example, they’ve increased the lifespan of social security, because they’ve a job, they’re paying a social security tax. That’s what they’re doing, it’s increased the lifespan, they would do the same thing in terms of reducing the overall cost of healthcare by them being able to be treated, and not wait till they are in extremis.

0:34:00 JB: The other thing is, folks, look, we can deal with these insurance companies. We can deal with these insurance companies by number one, putting insurance executives in jail for their misleading… Their misleading advertising, what they’re doing on opioids, what they’re doing, paying doctors to prescribe. We could be doing this by making sure everyone who is on Medicare, that the government should be able to negotiate the price for whatever the drug costs are. We can do this by making sure that we’re in a position that we in fact allow people…

0:34:30 LH: Your time’s up.

0:34:31 SG: Yeah, your time is up, Vice President Biden, thank you.

0:34:32 KG: I just wanna address a point, there’s one point…

0:34:34 LH: Actually, if you can hold off a minute. We need to take a short break here. We got a lot more we need to talk to all of you about. So stick with us, we’re just getting started, we’ll be back with more from Miami right after this.





0:36:39 LH: Welcome back from Miami. Jose is gonna lead off the questioning in this round.

0:36:44 JD: Thank you very much. Senator Harris, last month more than 130,00 migrants were apprehended at the southern border, many of them are being detained, including small children, in private detention centers in Florida and throughout our country. Most of the candidates on this stage say the conditions at these facilities are abhorrent. On January 20th, 2021, if you are President, what specifically would you do with the thousands of people who try to reach the United States every day and want a better life through asylum?

0:37:23 KH: Immediately on January 20th of 2021, I will first of all… We cannot forget our DACA recipients and so I’m gonna start there. I will immediately, by executive action, reinstate DACA status and DACA protection to those young people.


0:37:39 KH: I will further extend protection for deferral of deportation for their parents and for veterans who we have so many who are undocumented and have served our country and fought for our democracy. I will also immediately put in place a meaningful process for reviewing the cases for asylum, I will release children from cages, I will get rid of the private detention centers, and I will ensure that this microphone that the President of the United States holds in her hand is used in a way that is about reflecting the values of our country and not about locking children up, separating them from their parents. And I have to just say that we have to think about this issue in terms of real people. A mother, who pays a coyote to transport her child through their country of origin, through the entire country of Mexico, facing unknown peril to come here, why would that mother do that? I will tell you, because she has decided for that child to remain where they are is worse, but what does Donald Trump do? He says, “Go back to where you came from.” That is not reflective of our America and our values, and it’s gotta end.


0:39:02 JD: Governor Hickenlooper. Governor Hickenlooper, day one, if you are… Day one at the White House, how do you respond?

0:39:14 MW: Deal with these children?

0:39:15 JD: Let me get to you in just a second.

0:39:18 MW: I’m sorry.

0:39:19 JD: Governor, day one, thousands of men, women and children cross the border asking for asylum for a better life. What do you do? Day one, hour one.

0:39:33 JH: Well certainly, the images we’ve seen this week just compound the emotional impact that the world is judging us by. If you’d ever told me any time in my life that this country would sanction federal agents to take children from the arms of their parents, put them in cages, actually put them up for adoption… In Colorado, we call that kidnapping. I would have told you…


0:40:02 JH: I would have told you it was unbelievable. And the first thing we have to do is recognize the humanitarian crisis on the border for what it is and we make sure that there are the sufficient facilities in place so that women and children are not separated from their families. The children are with their families. We have to make sure that ICE is completely reformed and they begin looking at their job in a humanitarian way where they’re addressing the whole needs of the people that they are engaged with along the border. And we’d have to make sure, ultimately, that we provide, not just shelter, but food, clothing and access to medical care.

0:40:39 JD: Miss Williamson.

0:40:40 MW: Yeah. What Donald Trump has done to these children, and it’s not just in Colorado, Governor you’re right, it is kidnapping. And it’s extremely important for us to realize that. If you forcibly take a child from their parent’s arms, you are kidnapping them. And if you take a lot of children and you put them in a detainment center, thus inflicting chronic trauma upon them, that’s called child abuse. This is collective child abuse. And when this is crime, both of those things are a crime, and if your government does it, that doesn’t make it less of a crime. These are state-sponsored crimes.


0:41:12 JD: Congressman.

0:41:14 MW: And what President Trump has done is not only attack these children, not only demonize these immigrants, he is attacking a basic principle of America’s moral core. We open our hearts to the stranger. This is extremely important and it’s also important for all of us remember, and I have great respect for everyone who is on this stage, but we’re gonna talk about what to do about healthcare. Where have you been, guys? Because it’s not just a matter of a plan. And I haven’t heard anybody on this stage who has talked about American foreign policy in Latin America and how we might have in the last few decades contributed to something being more [0:41:51] ____.


0:41:51 JD: Senator Gillibrand, what would you do as President with a reality?

0:41:57 KG: Well, one of the worst things about President Trump that he’s done to this country is he’s torn apart the moral fabric of who we are. When he started separating children at the border from their parents, the fact that seven children have died in his custody, the fact that dozens of children have been separated from their parents and they have no plan to reunite them… So I would do a few things. First, I would fight for comprehensive immigration reform, with a pathway to citizenship. Second, I would reform how we treat asylum seekers at the border. I would have a community-based treatment center where you’re doing it within the communities, where asylum seekers are given lawyers, where there’s real immigration judges, not employees of the Attorney General, but appointed for life, and have a community-based system. I would fund border security, but the worst thing President Trump has done is he has diverted the funds away from cross-border terrorism, cross-border human trafficking, drug trafficking and gun trafficking and he’s given that money to the for-profit prisons. I would not be spending money in for-profit prisons to lock up children and asylum seekers.

0:43:04 JD: We had a very spirited debate on this stage last night on the topic of decriminalization of the border. If you’d be so kind, raise your head if you think it should be a civil offense rather than a crime to cross the border without documentation? Can we keep the hands up so we can see them?

0:43:23 PB: Let’s remember, that’s not just a theoretical exercise, that criminalization, that is the basis for family separation. You do away with that, it’s no longer possible, of course it wouldn’t be possible anyway in my Presidency because it is dead wrong. We gotta talk about one other thing because the Republican party likes to cloak itself in the language of religion. Now, our party doesn’t talk about that as much, largely for a very good reason, which was we’re committed to the separation of church and state and we stand for people of any religion and people of no religion, but we should call out hypocrisy when we see it, and for a party that associates itself with Christianity, to say that it is okay to suggest that God would smile on the division of families at the hands of federal agents, that God would condone putting children in cages has lost all claim to ever use religious language again.


0:44:14 JD: Vice President. Mr. Vice President I don’t know if you raised your hand or were just asking to speak. Would you decriminalize crossing the border without documents?

0:44:28 JB: The first thing I would do is unite families. I’d surge immediately billions of dollars worth of help to the region immediately. Look, I talk about foreign policy, I’m the guy that got a bipartisan agreement at the very end of the campaign, at the very end of our term, to spend $740 million to deal with the problem, and that was to go to the root cause of why people are leaving in the first place. It was working, we saw, as you know, a net decrease in the number of children who were coming, the crisis was abated and along came this President and he said, he immediately discontinued that. We all talk about these things, I did it, I did it, $740 million…


0:45:10 JB: Now look, second thing, second thing we have to do. The law now requires the reuniting of those families, we would reunite those families, period. And if not, we put those children in a circumstance where they were safe until we could find their parents. And lastly, the idea that he’s in court with his Justice Department saying, children in cages do not need a bed, do not need a blanket, do not need a toothbrush, that is outrageous, and we’ll stop.


0:45:37 JD: Vice President, the Obama-Biden administration deported more than 3 million Americans. My question to you is, if an individual is living in the United States of America without documents and that is his only offense, should that person be deported?

0:45:58 S?: No.

0:45:58 JB: Depending if they committed a major crime, they should be deported. And the President was left… President Obama, I think did a heck of a job, and to compare him to what this guy is doing is absolutely, I find, close to immoral. But the fact is that, look, we should not be locking people up, we should be making sure we change the circumstance as we did, why they would leave in the first place, and those who come seeking asylum we should immediately have the capacity to absorb them, keep them safe until they could be heard.

0:46:31 JD: Fifteen second, if you could, if you wish to answer, should someone who is here without documents and that is his only offense, should that person be deported?

0:46:42 JB: That person should not be the focus of deportation. We should fundamentally change the way we deal with them.


0:46:48 JD: Senator…

0:46:49 MW: I think it’s important…

0:46:50 BS: I wanna suggest that I agree with a lot of what Kamala has just said, and that is on day one, we take out our Executive Order pen and we we rescind every damn thing on this issue that Trump has done.

0:47:01 SG: Absolutely.


0:47:02 BS: Number two: Picking up on the point that Joe made. We gotta look at the root causes and you have a situation where Honduras among other things is a failing state, massive corruption. You got gangs who are telling families that if a 10-year-old does not join that gang, that family is gonna be killed. What we have got to do on day one is invite the presidents and the leadership of Central America and Mexico together, this is a hemisphere problem that we got to deal with.


0:47:30 JD: Thank you. Congressman Swalwell, what do you do?

0:47:34 ES: Day one?

0:47:35 JD: No, if someone is here without documents and that is their only offense, is that person to be deported?

0:47:45 ES: No, that person can be a part of this great American experience, that person can contribute. My Congressional District is one of the most diverse in America and we see the benefits when people contribute and they become a part of the community and they’re not in the shadow economy. Day one for me families are reunited. This President though, for immigrants, there’s nothing he will not do to separate a family, cage a child or erase their existence by weaponizing the census. And there is nothing that we cannot do in the courts and that I will not do as President to reverse that and to make sure that families always belong together.

0:48:24 JD: Senator Harris.


0:48:27 KH: Well thank you. I will say, no, absolutely not, they should not be deported. And I actually, this was one of the very few issues with which I disagreed with the administration, with whom I otherwise had a great relationship and a great deal of respect, but on the Secure Communities issue, I was Attorney General of California, I led the second largest department of justice in the United States, second only to the United States Department of Justice in a state of 40 million people. And on this issue I disagreed with my President because the policy was to allow deportation of people who by ICE’s own definition were non-criminals. So as Attorney General and the Chief Law Officer of the State of California, I issued a directive to the sheriffs of my state that they did not have to comply with detainers and instead should make decisions based on the best interest of public safety of their community. Because what I saw, and I was tracking it every day, I was tracking it and saw that parents, people who had not committed a crime even by ICE’s own definition, were being deported.

0:49:34 KH: But I have to add a point here, the problem with this kind of policy, and I know it as a prosecutor, I want a rape victim to be able to run in the middle of the street and wave down a police officer and report the crime against her. I want anybody who’s been the victim of any real crime to be able to do that and not be afraid that if they do that they will be deported because the abuser will tell them it is they who is the criminal. It is wrong. It is wrong.


0:50:04 LH: We’re gonna turn to the issue of trade now, if we can. Last night we asked the candidates on this stage to name the greatest geopolitical threat facing the US. Four of them mentioned China. US businesses say China steals our intellectual property and party leaders on both sides accuse China of manipulating their currency to keep the cost of goods artificially low. I’ll ask this to Senator Bennet to start off with. How would you stand up to China?

0:50:29 MB: I think that, first of all, the biggest threat to our national security right now is Russia, not China. And second, on China we’ve got competi… Because of what they’ve done with our election. In China, I think the President’s been right to push back on China, but he’s done it in completely the wrong way. We should mobilize the entire rest of the world, who all have a shared interest in pushing back on China’s mercantilist trade policies and I think we can do that. I’d like to answer the other question before this as well.

0:51:00 LH: You have the time, you do it.

0:51:01 MB: When I see these kids at the border, I see my mom because I know she sees herself, because she was separated from her parents for years during the Holocaust in Poland. And for Donald Trump to be doing what he’s doing to children and their families at the borders, I say this as somebody who wrote the immigration bill in 2013, that created a pathway to citizenship for 11 million people in this country, that had the most progressive Dream Act that’s ever been conceived, much less passed. It got 68 votes in the Senate; that had $46 billion of border security in it that was sophisticated 21st century border security, not a medieval wall.

0:51:40 LH: Senator, your time. Sorry.

0:51:40 MB: And the President has turned the border of the United States into a symbol…

0:51:44 LH: Senator, thank you.

0:51:45 MB: Of nativist hostility that the whole world is looking at, when what we should be represented by…

0:51:50 LH: Senator, thank you.

0:51:51 MB: Is the Statue of Liberty, which has brought my parents to this country to begin with. We need to make a change.

0:51:57 LH: Mr. Yang, let me bring you in on this, on the issue of China. You have expressed a lot of concerns about technology and taking jobs. Are worried about China, and if so, how would you stand up against it?

0:52:07 AY: Well, I just wanna agree that I think Russia is our greatest geopolitical threat, because they’ve been hacking our democracy successfully, and they’ve been laughing their asses off about it for the last couple of years. So we should focus on that before we started worrying about other threats. Now China, they do pirate our intellectual property. It’s a massive problem, but the tariffs and the trade war are just punishing businesses and producers and workers on both sides. I met with a farmer in Iowa who said he spent six years building up a buying relationship in China that’s now disappeared and gone forever. And the beneficiaries have not been American workers or people in China. It’s been Southeast Asia and other producers that have then stepped into the void. So we need to crack down on Chinese malfeasance in the trade relationship, but the tariffs and the trade war are the wrong way to go.

0:52:54 LH: Alright, Mayor Buttigieg, how would you stand up against China?

0:52:56 PB: First of all, we’ve got to recognize that the China challenge really is a serious one. This is not something to dismiss or wave away. And if you look at what China is doing, they’re using technology for the perfection of dictatorship. But their fundamental economic model isn’t gonna change because of some tariffs. I live in the industrial Midwest, folks who aren’t in the shadow of a factory or somewhere near a soy field where I live, and manufacturers, and especially soy farmers, are hurting. Tariffs are taxes, and Americans are gonna pay on average $800 more a year because of these tariffs. Meanwhile, China is investing so that they could soon be able to run circles around us in artificial intelligence. And this President is fixated on the China relationship as if all that mattered was the export balance on dishwashers. We’ve got a much bigger issue on our hands. But at a moment when their authoritarian model is being held up as an alternative to ours, because ours looks so chaotic compared to theirs right now, because of our internal divisions, the biggest thing we’ve got to do is invest in our own domestic competitiveness.

0:54:00 LH: Alright Mayor. Thank you.

0:54:00 PB: If we disinvest in our own infrastructure, education, we are never gonna be able to compete, and if we really wanna be an alternative, a democratic alternative, we actually have to demonstrate that we care about democratic values at home and around the world.

0:54:13 LH: Mayor, thank you. Thank you for your answer.

0:54:15 SG: We’ve got a good debate so far. We’re gonna take a quick break here, candidates. When we come back, the questioning continues with our colleagues. Chuck Todd, Rachel Maddow will be here, much more with our candidates straight ahead.



0:54:56 Steve Kornacki: Alright, let’s take a look at the electoral college in 2020. The place to start obviously is where the last election ended; 2016. And remember of course, by the popular vote, Hillary Clinton had almost three million more of those than Donald Trump, but we don’t elect the President by national popular vote. We do it by the Electoral College, and there, Donald Trump had the right combination of votes in the right states, enough to win 306 electoral votes for him. So how is that map looking for 2020? Well, first of all, I think one thing you need to do, just understand how narrow that Trump path was in the Electoral College in 2016. And you can start by looking at Wisconsin.

0:55:36 SK: Look at that margin there, fewer than 25,000 votes separated Clinton from Trump in Wisconsin. This was a state that had not gone for a Republican in a Presidential election since 1984. By a margin of fewer than 25,000 votes, Trump becomes the first in over three decades, he gets Wisconsin. The margin in Michigan even closer, barely 10,000 votes Trump over Clinton. And again, that was the first time since ’88 that a Republican carried Michigan, and then there was Pennsylvania. Here about 44,000 votes; that’s the margin for Trump over Clinton in Pennsylvania. Trump wins all three of those states. Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, by a combined total of about 75,000 votes, that’s it. But that’s enough to win the electoral college.

0:56:22 SK: So for Democrats, if they wanna reverse the result of 2016, that is the easiest and most direct path, at least on paper. You flip those states where Trump’s margin was the narrowest, those states that had been voting Democratic before 2016, you flip them back, you win the electoral college, if everything else stays the same. So that’s the most direct path for Democrats, at least on paper. But hey, things can change over the course of a few years. There are other states to be keeping an eye on as well. I give you an example. A perfect one right here, Florida. We always talk about Florida, right? Remember, Florida, Florida, Florida, from back in 2000. Well, here’s one. Again, Donald Trump, somewhat of a surprise on election night. I think the Clinton campaign had been feeling decent about Florida, but Trump pulled out Florida in 2016, 29 electoral votes right there.

0:57:08 SK: We obviously expect it to be very competitive in 2020. If the Democrats can flip Florida, just given the size of the state, that is a massive change. The one cautionary note for Democrats though, they had a big year in the 2018 mid-terms, it was not big enough to carry over to Florida. In Florida, in the 2018 mid-terms, a Republican won the Governor’s race, a Republican won the Senate race, ousted a Democratic incumbent in fact in that Senate race. So Florida, it’s tantalizing on paper for Democrats, it’s always tantalizing on paper for Democrats. But does 2018 tell you that maybe there’s a little bit more Republican strength there in Florida?

0:57:45 SK: And of course, Arizona, this is one Democrats have been talking about now. A long time red state that Democrats think demographically might be trending in their favor, this is a state Democrats did do well in in the 2018 mid-terms, winning a Senate race there, Clinton got within three points. Democrats hope that there’s some momentum there, some demographics, some political momentum and they could flip Arizona, that could change things too.



0:58:47 LH: Welcome back to the Democratic Presidential Debate from the Arsht Center in Miami.

0:58:51 SG: As we continue the questioning, we wanna bring in more members of our team.

0:58:55 JD: So let’s turn it over to Chuck Todd and Rachel Maddow.


0:59:00 Chuck Todd: Well, Rachel, I had a dream that we’ve done this before.

0:59:04 Rachel Maddow: No.

0:59:04 CT: No.

0:59:05 RM: No.

0:59:05 CT: No, didn’t happen.

0:59:05 RM: This is definitely the first time.

0:59:07 CT: Definitely the first time. Thank you, Lester, Savannah and Jose. Let’s quickly recap the rules one more time. Twenty candidates qualified for this first debate, we’ve heard from 10 of them from last night. We’re hearing from 10 more tonight. Breakdown for each night was selected at random, candidates will have 60 seconds to answer direct questions, 30 seconds for follow-ups if necessary.

0:59:25 RM: Because of this large field of candidates, not every person will be able to comment on everything. But the less audience reaction there is, the more time they will all get.


0:59:34 RM: Over the course of the next hour, we will hear from all of these candidates. But we are going to begin this hour with Mayor Buttigieg. In the last five years, civil rights activists in our country have led a national debate over race and the criminal justice system. Your community of South Bend, Indiana has recently been in uproar over an officer-involved shooting. The police force in South Bend is now 6% black in a city that is 26% black. Why has that not improved over your two terms as mayor?

1:00:05 PB: Because I couldn’t get it done. My community is in anguish right now because of an officer-involved shooting. A black man, Eric Logan, killed by a white officer. And I’m not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back. The officer said he was attacked with a knife, but he didn’t have his body camera on. It’s a mess and we’re hurting. And I could walk you through all of the things that we have done as a community. All of the steps that we took from bias training to de-escalation, but it didn’t save the life of Eric Logan. And when I look into his mother’s eyes, I have to face the fact that nothing that I say will bring him back. This is an issue that is facing our community and so many communities around the country. And until we move policing out from the shadow of systemic racism, whatever this particular incident teaches us, we will be left with the bigger problem of the fact that there’s a wall of mistrust, put up one racist act at a time, not just from what’s happened in the past, but from what’s happening around the country in the present, it threatens the wellbeing of every community. And I am determined to bring about a day when a white person driving a vehicle and a black person driving a vehicle, when they see a police officer approaching, feels the exact same thing. A feeling not of fear, but of safety. I’m determined to bring that day about.

1:01:26 RM: That’s time. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.


1:01:28 JH: Mayor Buttigieg, Mayor Buttigieg, if I could ask one question just because I think…

1:01:34 RM: Governor, I’ll give you 30 seconds.

1:01:35 JH: I think that the question they’re asking in South Bend, and I think it seems across the country, is why has it taken so long? We had a shooting when I first became mayor 10 years before Ferguson and the community came together. We created an Office of the Independent Monitor, a civilian oversight commission, we diversified the police force in two years, we actually did de-escalation training. I think the real question that America should be asking is, why five years after Ferguson, every city doesn’t have this level of police accountability?

1:02:04 RM: Governor Hickenlooper, thank you.

1:02:05 PB: I’ve gotta respond to that. Look, we’ve taken so many steps toward police accountability that the FOP just denounced me for too much accountability. We’re obviously not there yet. And I accept responsibility for that because I’m in charge.

1:02:17 ES: If the camera wasn’t on, and that was the policy, then you should fire the chief.